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Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

Zoot wrote: Quote: No one would need to if they wouldn't have started shooting rockets into Israel within a week after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza.

Rockets that killed fewer civilians in four years than this latest IDF push killed in the first four days.

It never ceases to amaze me how pro-Palestinians keep repeating this mantra over and over again.

The Allies in WWII killed more Germans than Germans killed Allies. Both with respect to soldiers and civilians.

The Allies also killed more Japanese than the other way around.

Therefore .......... what?

Allies were the bad guys and Germans were the angels? Allies' participation in WWII was unjustified?

This is a ridiculous argument. It's like when a weaker kid punches a stronger kid in the nuts and then doesn't expect to be beaten the s**t out of. Ooooh, but I only kicked you in the nuts! Oooooh, you can't react "disproportionately!"

That's idiotic, and it is idiotic that apparently educated Westerners are using these types of arguments.

If you punch someone strong than you in the nuts, don't be surprised if you get your nose broken.

Can you grasp that, Zoot? Or does straight logic not comport with your agenda?

Communalknighthood · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 35 Location: Toronto, Canada

maalox wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Simple. Israel cuts down ways for Hezbollah to take away our soldiers and cuts Hezbollah's supply lines. Right now they can't get any more rockets into the country and South Lebanon. And it works, as Hezbollah been decreasing shootings into Israel in the past days.

See? That simple.

man ur such an ignorant

hezbollah has like a rocket for every Israelian

hezbollah DOES NOT need airport , port , nore highways to get his supplies of rockets

they are fabricating theire own rockets now u doss

everything u hear is a part of the AMERICAN PROPAGANDA

it`s a filthy exuse zioniste use to destroy lebanon

israel always want lebanon to be ruined

check this out

www.fromisraeltolebanon.org

And hands off Lebanon as well. That country has been through enough. The Middle East was relatively peaceful before Israel arrived. That's no accident.

Communalknighthood · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 35 Location: Toronto, Canada

Duchifas wrote: Zoot wrote: Quote: No one would need to if they wouldn't have started shooting rockets into Israel within a week after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza.

Rockets that killed fewer civilians in four years than this latest IDF push killed in the first four days.

It never ceases to amaze me how pro-Palestinians keep repeating this mantra over and over again.

The Allies in WWII killed more Germans than Germans killed Allies. Both with respect to soldiers and civilians.

The Allies also killed more Japanese than the other way around.

Therefore .......... what?

Allies were the bad guys and Germans were the angels? Allies' participation in WWII was unjustified?

This is a ridiculous argument. It's like when a weaker kid punches a stronger kid in the nuts and then doesn't expect to be beaten the s**t out of. Ooooh, but I only kicked you in the nuts! Oooooh, you can't react "disproportionately!"

That's idiotic, and it is idiotic that apparently educated Westerners are using these types of arguments.

If you punch someone strong than you in the nuts, don't be surprised if you get your nose broken.

Can you grasp that, Zoot? Or does straight logic not comport with your agenda?

What????

TacticalSniper · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:

Maalox, I clearly don't really give a f**k about your casualties. If you people wouldn't support Hezbollah they wouldn't kidnap our soldiers (and attack us constantly for the past six years) and Israel wouldn't have to blow half your country away to punish you morons. So now enjoy. And see, it's not over. We're gonna hit you even harder than this.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

Communalknighthood wrote: Duchifas wrote: Zoot wrote: Quote: No one would need to if they wouldn't have started shooting rockets into Israel within a week after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza.

Rockets that killed fewer civilians in four years than this latest IDF push killed in the first four days.

It never ceases to amaze me how pro-Palestinians keep repeating this mantra over and over again.

The Allies in WWII killed more Germans than Germans killed Allies. Both with respect to soldiers and civilians.

The Allies also killed more Japanese than the other way around.

Therefore .......... what?

Allies were the bad guys and Germans were the angels? Allies' participation in WWII was unjustified?

This is a ridiculous argument. It's like when a weaker kid punches a stronger kid in the nuts and then doesn't expect to be beaten the s**t out of. Ooooh, but I only kicked you in the nuts! Oooooh, you can't react "disproportionately!"

That's idiotic, and it is idiotic that apparently educated Westerners are using these types of arguments.

If you punch someone strong than you in the nuts, don't be surprised if you get your nose broken.

Can you grasp that, Zoot? Or does straight logic not comport with your agenda?

What????

Socialist education is taking its toll?

Arcenius I · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject:

TacticalSniper wrote: Maalox, I clearly don't really give a f**k about your casualties. If you people wouldn't support Hezbollah they wouldn't kidnap our soldiers (and attack us constantly for the past six years) and Israel wouldn't have to blow half your country away to punish you morons. So now enjoy. And see, it's not over. We're gonna hit you even harder than this.

The harder you push, the harder the propaganda will be throughout the Muslim world to employ even more kidnappings and bombings.

See the irony?

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

Arcenius I wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Maalox, I clearly don't really give a f**k about your casualties. If you people wouldn't support Hezbollah they wouldn't kidnap our soldiers (and attack us constantly for the past six years) and Israel wouldn't have to blow half your country away to punish you morons. So now enjoy. And see, it's not over. We're gonna hit you even harder than this.

The harder you push, the harder the propaganda will be throughout the Muslim world to employ even more kidnappings and bombings.

See the irony?

It would be ironic if it corresponded to reality.

It doesn't.

Reality is that the harder Israel has pushed, the more Arabs have become pissed at Hizbollah. Whereas Hizbollah enjoyed unprecedented popularity in the Arab world since 2000, today Hizbollah has lost a lot of popularity, and it is going to continue that way every time they drag Lebanon into an idiotic and unneeded war.

Read the article:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Reality does not comport with your agenda.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 24241

Duchifas wrote: Arcenius I wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Maalox, I clearly don't really give a f**k about your casualties. If you people wouldn't support Hezbollah they wouldn't kidnap our soldiers (and attack us constantly for the past six years) and Israel wouldn't have to blow half your country away to punish you morons. So now enjoy. And see, it's not over. We're gonna hit you even harder than this.

The harder you push, the harder the propaganda will be throughout the Muslim world to employ even more kidnappings and bombings.

See the irony?

It would be ironic if it corresponded to reality.

It doesn't.

Reality is that the harder Israel has pushed, the more Arabs have become pissed at Hizbollah. Whereas Hizbollah enjoyed unprecedented popularity in the Arab world since 2000, today Hizbollah has lost a lot of popularity, and it is going to continue that way every time they drag Lebanon into an idiotic and unneeded war.

Read the article:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Reality does not comport with your agenda.

That is actually a very logical conclusion. But we're talked about this in the past....and I've told you what is about to go down. I hope you absorbed enough to remember what to do when it happens.

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2197 Location: 3rd rock

Communalknighthood wrote: What people don't seem to understand about this conflict is the ethical questions. Many western leaders have argued that Israel has a right to defend its self. But, who is defending Palestine. They have no army, they have no real state. 60 years of dislocation, suffering and oppression has created a militant population. And Israel has a right to exist?

Also, terrorism appears to overshadow the crimes against the Palestinian people. Consider the military as nothing more then a state-sanctioned terrorist unit, what exactly makes military force legitimate? And how is it different from terrorism?

Exactly, well said.

Arcenius I · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

Duchifas wrote: Arcenius I wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Maalox, I clearly don't really give a f**k about your casualties. If you people wouldn't support Hezbollah they wouldn't kidnap our soldiers (and attack us constantly for the past six years) and Israel wouldn't have to blow half your country away to punish you morons. So now enjoy. And see, it's not over. We're gonna hit you even harder than this.

The harder you push, the harder the propaganda will be throughout the Muslim world to employ even more kidnappings and bombings.

See the irony?

It would be ironic if it corresponded to reality.

It doesn't.

Reality is that the harder Israel has pushed, the more Arabs have become pissed at Hizbollah. Whereas Hizbollah enjoyed unprecedented popularity in the Arab world since 2000, today Hizbollah has lost a lot of popularity, and it is going to continue that way every time they drag Lebanon into an idiotic and unneeded war.

Read the article:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Reality does not comport with your agenda.

Well your reality is god knows where, but maybe I should buy you a plane ticket to Damascus. Very beautiful city and where, recently, demonstrations have taken place in SUPPORT of Hezbollah. Considering there is a Christian population within Lebanon as well, it is only logical to assume that SOME, not all, will be against Hezbollah. HOWEVER, the majority of the Arab world still supports Hamas and Hezbollah.

Iran's support alone overshadows any point "your" reality can provide.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Duchifas wrote: It would be ironic if it corresponded to reality.

It doesn't.

Reality is that the harder Israel has pushed, the more Arabs have become pissed at Hizbollah. Whereas Hizbollah enjoyed unprecedented popularity in the Arab world since 2000, today Hizbollah has lost a lot of popularity, and it is going to continue that way every time they drag Lebanon into an idiotic and unneeded war.

Read the article:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Reality does not comport with your agenda.

What is ironic, Duchifas, is that the very government that Israel would like to take over the Southern Lebanon is being destroyed entirely by the very campaign that is designed to supposedly take out Hezbollah. Now, that is why this mission is doomed to fail in the end because not only Hezbollah is going to survive these attacks, but the entity that is supposed to be in charge when the fighting stops is going to be so weak that it will find it hard to even control Beirut let alone Southern Lebanon. However, in the mess that is called the Middle East, every action is in essence based on a big inherent contradiction because the whole conflict is one big contradiction in itself.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

John wrote: Duchifas wrote: Arcenius I wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Maalox, I clearly don't really give a f**k about your casualties. If you people wouldn't support Hezbollah they wouldn't kidnap our soldiers (and attack us constantly for the past six years) and Israel wouldn't have to blow half your country away to punish you morons. So now enjoy. And see, it's not over. We're gonna hit you even harder than this.

The harder you push, the harder the propaganda will be throughout the Muslim world to employ even more kidnappings and bombings.

See the irony?

It would be ironic if it corresponded to reality.

It doesn't.

Reality is that the harder Israel has pushed, the more Arabs have become pissed at Hizbollah. Whereas Hizbollah enjoyed unprecedented popularity in the Arab world since 2000, today Hizbollah has lost a lot of popularity, and it is going to continue that way every time they drag Lebanon into an idiotic and unneeded war.

Read the article:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Reality does not comport with your agenda.

That is actually a very logical conclusion. But we're talked about this in the past....and I've told you what is about to go down. I hope you absorbed enough to remember what to do when it happens.

Whaaaa? :think:

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

Arcenius I wrote: Well your reality is god knows where, but maybe I should buy you a plane ticket to Damascus. Very beautiful city and where, recently, demonstrations have taken place in SUPPORT of Hezbollah. Considering there is a Christian population within Lebanon as well, it is only logical to assume that SOME, not all, will be against Hezbollah. HOWEVER, the majority of the Arab world still supports Hamas and Hezbollah.

Iran's support alone overshadows any point "your" reality can provide.

Who is arguing about that? My point is that majority is going to get thinner as Israel harshly responds to Hizbollah's provocations. That's what my article suggests.

While a lot still support Hizbollah, a good number are speaking out against it. That did not happen in 2000, when Israel caved in to Hizbollah, nor for the next six years, as Israel exercised restraint. It is happening NOW, now that Israel is showing the world Hizbollah's folly.

Now, if you are trying to answer that by saying that there is still a majority of support for Hizbollah....uh, I know. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:07 am Post subject:

Actually, Israeli Channel 2 News journalist Ehud Yaari said about an hour ago that Lebanese majority is quite against Hezbollah actions and Hezbollah itself. Although probably we're talking about Christians. Muslims are probably mostly support Hezbollah, although some of them don't too.

Basically, Nasrallah got some serious opposition among Lebanese population.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Duchifas wrote: It would be ironic if it corresponded to reality.

It doesn't.

Reality is that the harder Israel has pushed, the more Arabs have become pissed at Hizbollah. Whereas Hizbollah enjoyed unprecedented popularity in the Arab world since 2000, today Hizbollah has lost a lot of popularity, and it is going to continue that way every time they drag Lebanon into an idiotic and unneeded war.

Read the article:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Reality does not comport with your agenda.

What is ironic, Duchifas, is that the very government that Israel would like to take over the Southern Lebanon is being destroyed entirely by the very campaign that is designed to supposedly take out Hezbollah.

Quit dramatizing, Toon. When you insert certain words into your posts, your posts carry on a different meaning. The Lebanese government is not being destroyed entirely, nor even close to entirely. Beyond south Lebanon, Israel is hitting some infrastructure targets and Hizbollah locations. That is nowhere close to "entirely."

Do I see the irony? Yes I do. As I stated at the start of this war, I think that this may not be the best strategy for Israel. The best strategy is to bomb the root causes - South Lebanon and Syria. Unfortunately, common sense is a rare commodity among Israeli elected officials, so they went for the second best strategy. It won't get them as far, but I didn't have high expectations to begin with.

Quote: Now, that is why this mission is doomed to fail in the end because not only Hezbollah is going to survive these attacks, but the entity that is supposed to be in charge when the fighting stops is going to be so weak that it will find it hard to even control Beirut let alone Southern Lebanon. However, in the mess that is called the Middle East, every action is in essence based on a big inherent contradiction because the whole conflict is one big contradiction in itself.

Whether this mission is doomed to fail depends on one thing, and one thing only -- whether the Israeli government will have the balls to substantially complete it, about which I have severe doubts. In the past, the only missions which they completed with ardor and to the end, were the ones involving expulsion of Jews from their homes. So we'll see how far they will go on this one.

The point of the misssion, well the part of it targeted at areas outside south Lebanon, is to make the Lebanese more afraid of Israel than of Hizbollah. When and if that happens, Hizbollah will find a much less receptive environment to operate from than it enjoyed before this war.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:37 am Post subject:

That's true. The Lebanese must understand that if they support Hezbollah who fights us they will have war in return and they will suffer. Only if Hezbollah stops its military activities (including bombing our hospitals and schools) will there be peace for the Lebanese.

maalox · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 133 Location: above u

TacticalSniper wrote: Actually, Israeli Channel 2 News journalist Ehud Yaari said about an hour ago that Lebanese majority is quite against Hezbollah actions and Hezbollah itself. Although probably we're talking about Christians. Muslims are probably mostly support Hezbollah, although some of them don't too.

Basically, Nasrallah got some serious opposition among Lebanese population.

first of all israelians are the stupidest ppl in the world.you blv every thing that the goverment says thats why you never knew the truth.the media always shows the the israelian point of view.they dont show how the civilians are bein f****d in you cowerds way.so if your really fair in your cause you would fight bravely.your fightin hezballah and you dont even know were they are and i dont think you will.cz u'll never have the courage to face lebanese ppl on earth not from the sky.
everything the israelian channel shows you(israel ppl)is what the goverment wants you to think and know cz if your ppl knows the truth you would be against you goverment.killin ppl,destroyin our country,blockage in every inch,etc.all that is nothin cz you have no cause to fight for your fightin for nothin but we are fightin to protect our future our country our pride...so im tellin you your goverment will fall soon and your ppl will be begin hezballah to have mercy thats the thing that you dont have and never will.lebanese ppl dont want war we just want our freedom.its none of your business whats hapenin in lebanon internal problems have to be solved by our ppl not israelians.we were never one nation and we will never be pigs like you are....so go eat your s**t in your luxurious shelters cz we will keep fightin cz we are not like your ppl sissy girls....... and keep in your mind that god will give us justice in the end thats why we are survivin cz we blv and will keep blvin in god and in our ppl and our cause......etc.your ppl knows that they cant win on earth so stay in the sky Kitty Cats cz you will be f****d once you step on earth so tell that advice to your goverment and another advice for the ppl not for the goverment.im askin you israelian ppl to use their mind cz god gaved it to us 2use it so think and find out the truth and be against your goverment cz you'll never be safe and rest if your goverment keeps its terrorisme policy..

I SPIT ON YOU INFERIOR

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:05 am Post subject:

lol You inferior? Apparently, Lebanese can only insult others and not fix their own country.

Also, have you ever heard of a word "paragraph"? Cause I really can't bother myself reading all this mess you just wrote.

You are so used to your gov't lying to you, that you think every gov't does that. I'm not even going to mention Channel 2 hasn't got anything to do with the gov't.

And obviously, Hezbollah aren't sissies, they just hide among women and children, while Nasrallah hides in his "luxurious shelter".

Just wait and see us coming.

Also, if you're in Lebanon, and you still have electricity, water and Internet, you should be grateful, because we can take it all away with a snap of the fingers.

ali · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 2 Location: ashrafieh

i just wanna say that lebanese ppl are the strongest for takin all this pain without leavin and bein affraid..
israelian ppl are not bad ppl but the goverment wants them to think that we are bad ppl and that hezaballah are terrorist and that they have the right to interfier in our internal affairs...
in all the countries in the world the goverment is different from the ppl...thats why even in america,france,italy...they are doin riots to support our ppl cz their goverment doesnt give a s**t abt the world they are just fakin that they care.
but in fact all they want is they're own good..

israel is fightin hezballah without knowin were they are,so they kill inocent ppl to push them more and more to go out from their hidings...you told us that hezballah are Kitty Cats cz they'r lunchion missles from homes,thats not right and thats what we said abt the goverment lying to your ppl...

hezballah never lunch from civilian homes,they wont accept but your gov't wants you to blv that...
anyway my point is that whatever did hezballah to your army the two soldiers and the others tha died,israel doesnt have the right to kill 235 civilians and destroy the south subburns and south and our army...just cz hezballah took 2hostages.

just for you to know your goverment came to palestine with no right to come then killed everyone who tried to stop them...then try to do the same in lebanon but they couldnt cz we have hezballah and alot of other parties that helped in the past....

you dont have the right to be in your own country how can you have the right to interfier in our affairs...you have all the powers in the world but theres one thing you dont have....!!!!!!!
blvin thats what you need to win and thats the thing that you'll never have cz you dont deserve not the ppl the goverment..
all the lebanese are askin is freedom and to let us build our country without america and israel pushin .
we survived lots of problems and god knows we will survive this one with honor as we always did..

i hope not to have more kills in lebanon and israel,i hope that one day we will all be ppl of the world not ppl of a country cz without this we'll always make wars and blv me even if you win the war its like you won nothin cz what you lost is alot bigger then what you win......

israel is a very strong coutry sure cz jeus are the richest ppl in the world but money and power is nothin,minds and blvin is everything we need to live hapely and survive our problems and facin them with dignity without fearin the consiquences cz have a right cause and we will keep fightin to have our freedom as we did from hundreds of years and we still doin that without bein tired....

just keep this in your mind that we will never stop blvin and fightin for our country for our freedom for our pride cz we have all these things thats the caracters of the lebanese ppl so hope you know that cz you have experience with us before and you lost a war before and while you were out of lebanon we were developing everything even our minds....

blv me its a very balanced war cz noone thought that oneday we can launch missles to hayfa........etc.

and we did that so dont be surprised if you continued killin inocents,of missles rainin in tal abib,hayfa......etc.

i hope that wont hapin but as long as israel are killin our ppl,as long as we are obliged to respond and thats what israel is tryin to do pushin hezballah so they can proove that they are terroriste....but we are just protectin our ppl and our country and our pride....

HARD LUCK FOR THE LAST TIME

no one started a war before just cz of revenge,you lost the war and the battle so accept it...

and dont you dare talk about our internal affairs cz we dont do that with yours.......

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

Quote: you dont have the right to be in your own country how can you have the right to interfier in our affairs...you have all the powers in the world but theres one thing you dont have....!!!!!!!

This is a reminder to those who weep a bit too much for the peaceful, accomodating, and tolerant non-Hizbollah Lebanese.

So tolerant, that they deny Israel the right to exist.