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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: The Promised Deliverer (Kitab Al-Mahdi) |
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The Promised Deliverer (Kitab Al-Mahdi)
Book 36, Number 4277:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man called al-Harith ibn Harrath will come forth from Ma Wara an-Nahr.
His army will be led by a man called Mansur who will establish or consolidate things for Muhammad's family
as Quraysh consolidated them for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
Every believer must help him, or he said: respond to his sermons.
The Promised Deliverer (Kitab Al-Mahdi)
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Is Islam awaiting a figure that has been long dead ?
Caliph ~ 775–785
The following are the collection of Sahih (authentic) Hadith regarding Mahdi
Quote: Our Mahdi will have a broad forehead and a pointed (prominent) nose
Oh wait, there's more to that passage.
Quote: He will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny,
and he will rule for seven years.
Guess we can count out Usama bin Laden as the Promised One.
http://islamicweb.com/history/mahdi.htm |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: |
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no osama is not the one, because when the mehdi will arrive, and after him jesus
judgement day will be very close, and the signs for them to show haven't occured yet.
there are two types the small signs are eveything happening in these days mostly, but the large signs haven't occured yet.... |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: no osama is not the one, because when the mehdi will arrive, and after him jesus
judgement day will be very close, and the signs for them to show haven't occured yet.
there are two types the small signs are eveything happening in these days mostly, but the large signs haven't occured yet....
You missed the point of my post and went for the punchline instead.
Quote: Is Islam awaiting a figure that has been long dead ?
Caliph ~ 775–785
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mansur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mahdi
According to the given prophecy, the two men mentioned have already lived and died, long ago. |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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first of all as an academic person i never trust wikipedia
second i don't need to read, the two guys are not the mahdi, the coming of the mahdi means the coming of jesus. several years some rumors spread that a boy was born and he has the same characteristics of the mahdi and stuff but they are all rumors no one knows when he will come. |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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Muslima wrote: first of all as an academic person i never trust wikipedia
second i don't need to read, the two guys are not the mahdi, the coming of the mahdi means the coming of jesus. several years some rumors spread that a boy was born and he has the same characteristics of the mahdi and stuff but they are all rumors no one knows when he will come.
I only use wikipedia because it tends to congest all info and resources on one page.
As for the two mentioned men, is it coincidence that they held the same names as mentioned in the Koran ?
As for the boy who has been brought into this world once more, his name is Melek Taus
It is purported that he will return to the world through the doorway of the Jamkaran mosque.
Although he will be received as Al Mahdi and will perform miracles as this world has never witnessed, He is a deceiver.
I have brought this subject up for discussion because many shall be deceived.
Jews, Christians and Muslims all yearn for a sign from God, Melek Taus will provide such signs. |
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maalox
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Muslima
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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i know richard
that is what i said about the boy. it is all rumors. |
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Mikhah
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| i have a book on the topic of the Concept of the Mahdi in Sunni and Shia Islaam. i'll keep you posted. |
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jeechoscopy
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There are two persons mentioned in the hadiths you are curiouse to know about more...
One, Imam Al Mehdi: the man who would be the line age of Mohammad (peace be upon him) and will be recognised by the people who are good and not active agents of the days battles of the area.... (there is not any concept that show a man would come again after his death)
Secondly, Jesus: the man and prophet who was not killed but was sent to the forth sky bodily... will reappear when the winnings of Mehdi would at its peak then the west and the rest of the world will realize the real faith and all world will be under Jesus peace.
Though, todays scenario of the world sounds related to the signs of those people but in fact the signs of persons are not matching. Osama or the person like him are active agents of wars. They are willing to kill people but Mehdi would not do that he only will be winning. |
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eynon
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Muslima wrote: no osama is not the one, because when the mehdi will arrive, and after him jesus
judgement day will be very close, and the signs for them to show haven't occured yet.
there are two types the small signs are eveything happening in these days mostly, but the large signs haven't occured yet....
what do you believe the signs will be? |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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wannabe wrote: Muslima wrote: no osama is not the one, because when the mehdi will arrive, and after him jesus
judgement day will be very close, and the signs for them to show haven't occured yet.
there are two types the small signs are eveything happening in these days mostly, but the large signs haven't occured yet....
what do you believe the signs will be?
which ones the small signs or the large ones? |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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jeechoscopy wrote: There are two persons mentioned in the hadiths you are curiouse to know about more...
One, Imam Al Mehdi: the man who would be the line age of Mohammad (peace be upon him) and will be recognised by the people who are good and not active agents of the days battles of the area.... (there is not any concept that show a man would come again after his death)
Secondly, Jesus: the man and prophet who was not killed but was sent to the forth sky bodily... will reappear when the winnings of Mehdi would at its peak then the west and the rest of the world will realize the real faith and all world will be under Jesus peace.
Though, todays scenario of the world sounds related to the signs of those people but in fact the signs of persons are not matching. Osama or the person like him are active agents of wars. They are willing to kill people but Mehdi would not do that he only will be winning.
Once again, how do to rectify your exclamation of "sent to the forth sky bodily" when it clearly states: When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.'
in the recital of: The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem (Arabic: Israa) and Ascent to the Heavens (Arabic: Miraj)
http://www.sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm#NightJourney
Surely you are not a learned Muslim. |
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eynon
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Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: Muslima wrote: no osama is not the one, because when the mehdi will arrive, and after him jesus
judgement day will be very close, and the signs for them to show haven't occured yet.
there are two types the small signs are eveything happening in these days mostly, but the large signs haven't occured yet....
what do you believe the signs will be?
which ones the small signs or the large ones?
large ones...... |
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jeechoscopy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: There are two persons mentioned in the hadiths you are curiouse to know about more...
One, Imam Al Mehdi: the man who would be the line age of Mohammad (peace be upon him) and will be recognised by the people who are good and not active agents of the days battles of the area.... (there is not any concept that show a man would come again after his death)
Secondly, Jesus: the man and prophet who was not killed but was sent to the forth sky bodily... will reappear when the winnings of Mehdi would at its peak then the west and the rest of the world will realize the real faith and all world will be under Jesus peace.
Though, todays scenario of the world sounds related to the signs of those people but in fact the signs of persons are not matching. Osama or the person like him are active agents of wars. They are willing to kill people but Mehdi would not do that he only will be winning.
Once again, how do to rectify your exclamation of "sent to the forth sky bodily" when it clearly states: When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.'
in the recital of: The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem (Arabic: Israa) and Ascent to the Heavens (Arabic: Miraj)
http://www.sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm#NightJourney
Surely you are not a learned Muslim.
Hmm, so you are finding Jesus where he is actually now.... then i can't help you... but according to hadiths you can find him also in Bet Al Muqaddas (Palestine) when Prophet Mohammad was on his night journy and Bet al Muqaddas was his first mile-stone where he prayed his prayer with all the Prophets of God inclucing Iesa the christ (alehissalam.) |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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jeechoscopy wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: There are two persons mentioned in the hadiths you are curiouse to know about more...
One, Imam Al Mehdi: the man who would be the line age of Mohammad (peace be upon him) and will be recognised by the people who are good and not active agents of the days battles of the area.... (there is not any concept that show a man would come again after his death)
Secondly, Jesus: the man and prophet who was not killed but was sent to the forth sky bodily... will reappear when the winnings of Mehdi would at its peak then the west and the rest of the world will realize the real faith and all world will be under Jesus peace.
Though, todays scenario of the world sounds related to the signs of those people but in fact the signs of persons are not matching. Osama or the person like him are active agents of wars. They are willing to kill people but Mehdi would not do that he only will be winning.
Once again, how do to rectify your exclamation of "sent to the forth sky bodily" when it clearly states: When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.'
in the recital of: The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem (Arabic: Israa) and Ascent to the Heavens (Arabic: Miraj)
http://www.sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm#NightJourney
Surely you are not a learned Muslim.
Hmm, so you are finding Jesus where he is actually now.... then i can't help you... but according to hadiths you can find him also in Bet Al Muqaddas (Palestine) when Prophet Mohammad was on his night journy and Bet al Muqaddas was his first mile-stone where he prayed his prayer with all the Prophets of God inclucing Iesa the christ (alehissalam.)
All that proves is that the rhetoric being espoused is contradictory, of which it has been claimed the Koran could not be as it is infallible.
Oh wait, you're one of those folks who follow the EXTRA writings offered besides those purported to have been delivered by God.
Sorry, never mind. |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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the large signs haven't appeared yet and no one knows when will they appear...they are 10, five of them are agreed upon and the other five have not been agreed upon
jesus, dajjal, mahdi, gog and magog are the agreed upon.
http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Majorsigns.html |
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jeechoscopy
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: There are two persons mentioned in the hadiths you are curiouse to know about more...
One, Imam Al Mehdi: the man who would be the line age of Mohammad (peace be upon him) and will be recognised by the people who are good and not active agents of the days battles of the area.... (there is not any concept that show a man would come again after his death)
Secondly, Jesus: the man and prophet who was not killed but was sent to the forth sky bodily... will reappear when the winnings of Mehdi would at its peak then the west and the rest of the world will realize the real faith and all world will be under Jesus peace.
Though, todays scenario of the world sounds related to the signs of those people but in fact the signs of persons are not matching. Osama or the person like him are active agents of wars. They are willing to kill people but Mehdi would not do that he only will be winning.
Once again, how do to rectify your exclamation of "sent to the forth sky bodily" when it clearly states: When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.'
in the recital of: The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem (Arabic: Israa) and Ascent to the Heavens (Arabic: Miraj)
http://www.sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm#NightJourney
Surely you are not a learned Muslim.
Hmm, so you are finding Jesus where he is actually now.... then i can't help you... but according to hadiths you can find him also in Bet Al Muqaddas (Palestine) when Prophet Mohammad was on his night journy and Bet al Muqaddas was his first mile-stone where he prayed his prayer with all the Prophets of God inclucing Iesa the christ (alehissalam.)
All that proves is that the rhetoric being espoused is contradictory, of which it has been claimed the Koran could not be as it is infallible.
Oh wait, you're one of those folks who follow the EXTRA writings offered besides those purported to have been delivered by God.
Sorry, never mind.
I'm sure you misunderstood the presence of the prophets at two different positions (one time they were in palestine but in the same night they were in different heavens, when Mohammad PBUH was at his Night Journey.) That's what it makes His Miracle...
I'm sorry, I couldn't find any link that presents the complete Night Journey of Mohammad (peace be upon him.) But still you can see This inwhich a gatherin of Prophets is shown.
http://www.noblesanctuary.com/HISTORY.html |
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jeechoscopy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: the large signs haven't appeared yet and no one knows when will they appear...they are 10, five of them are agreed upon and the other five have not been agreed upon
jesus, dajjal, mahdi, gog and magog are the agreed upon.
http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Majorsigns.html
Thank you Muslima sis, you posted a very important and knowledgble link, according to the topic. |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: the large signs haven't appeared yet and no one knows when will they appear...they are 10, five of them are agreed upon and the other five have not been agreed upon
jesus, dajjal, mahdi, gog and magog are the agreed upon.
http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Majorsigns.html
Hello Muslima, I found a good website that you might wish to bookmark for further reading and reference.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/
And the author's other site @ http://www.harunyahya.com/
Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar. |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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thank you both of you
and richard i know the author, he is good. |
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