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[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: I know. It's been going for quite a while. Keep it up. You are in good company.


Nazis force three Jewish businessmen to march down Bruehl Strasse, one of the main commercial streets in central Leipzig, carrying signs that read: "Don't buy from Jews; Shop in German businesses!"
OMG ... please tell me you didn't.... :bang:

Someone brings up the (justifiable) idea of boycotting Israeli products, and out comes the Nazi card.. :roll:

[psholtz]

Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

[sLiPpY]

psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: I know. It's been going for quite a while. Keep it up. You are in good company.


Nazis force three Jewish businessmen to march down Bruehl Strasse, one of the main commercial streets in central Leipzig, carrying signs that read: "Don't buy from Jews; Shop in German businesses!"
OMG ... please tell me you didn't.... :bang:

Someone brings up the (justifiable) idea of boycotting Israeli products, and out comes the Nazi card.. :roll:

I'll refrain from playing the "Israeli" card. :lol:

[sLiPpY]

psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

You forgot our favorite corporations.

[psholtz]

sLiPpY wrote: psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

You forgot our favorite corporations.
Well, yes of course.. there were all kinds of big corporations that profited from the Nazi war machine, like IBM, Exxon, Henry Ford, etc.. and many "outstanding" Anglo-Saxons like the Bushes, Harrimans, etc, participated in the financing of the Nazi war machine.

My point is only, why does Duchi play the Nazi card when prominent Jewish bankers, like the Rothschilds and Warburgs, were as guilty and complicit as anyone in the rise of Hitler? Why does he turn a blind eye to these individuals and their actions? And has the Jewish community brought these home-grown criminals to account and to justice? Has the threat and the danger that meglomaniacs like Rothschild and Warburg pose to Jews everywhere been neutralized?

I think not...

Gee Duchi... talk about chutzpah.. :lol:

[Darth Tiberius]

psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

That's true as well.

I find it appalling that when I critisize any noation in Europe or America no-one considers it wrong but when I critisize Christians and especially Jews I'm a "racist" Duchi is just one of those people. I have many MANY criticisms about Irael and the Jewish population there and that in no way makes me a Nazi.

[John]

Darth Tiberius wrote: psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

That's true as well.

I find it appalling that when I critisize any noation in Europe or America no-one considers it wrong but when I critisize Christians and especially Jews I'm a "racist" Duchi is just one of those people. I have many MANY criticisms about Irael and the Jewish population there and that in no way makes me a Nazi.


You're speaking out against a whole group of people. Saying that you would enjoy to see them get thier comeupins.

You sound like a little bigot...so why does it surprise you to be compared with the nazis?

[Darth Tiberius]

John wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

That's true as well.

I find it appalling that when I critisize any noation in Europe or America no-one considers it wrong but when I critisize Christians and especially Jews I'm a "racist" Duchi is just one of those people. I have many MANY criticisms about Irael and the Jewish population there and that in no way makes me a Nazi.


You're speaking out against a whole group of people. Saying that you would enjoy to see them get thier comeupins.

You sound like a little bigot...so why does it surprise you to be compared with the nazis?

I'd like to see those responsible get their "comeupins". That would include the Israeli government, businesses and those who support the aggresion in Lebanon and Palestine. Not the whole group of people. I know there are many people in Israel who are not that bad and do not support the killing of innocents in Palestine and Lebanon and those people are just unfortunate to live in such a land.

Bigot? No. It's just that you don't like anyone exposing or criticising Israel or Christianity or Judiasm for what they really are IMHO. I can't helkp it if my passion makes you angry and frankly I don't care since I'm doing it in a nice enough way to not insult anyone else. Also to let others have their say and not to go against forum rules. You haven't. Still waiting for that apology.

Listen up and you might learn something. Nazis believed in a final solution to get rid of groups they don't like. I'm even against the death penalty so how wqould I ever agree with their actions? Also, Nazis are facist. I';m democratic socialist/communist.

[psholtz]

Darth Tiberius wrote: Listen up and you might learn something. Nazis believed in a final solution to get rid of groups they don't like. I'm even against the death penalty so how wqould I ever agree with their actions? Also, Nazis are facist. I';m democratic socialist/communist.
Actually even this is a distortion of history..

Although it's an EXTREMLEY widely believed one, thanks to our mass media..

The Nazi "Final Solution" for the "Jewish Problem" in Europe was simply the deportation of Jews out of Europe. First to the Eastern front (in Poland, etc), and from there either to Palestine or Africa (the Nazis never really made up their mind as to what the final destination would be). That the "Final Solution" involved the mass murder of Jews is a distortion of history. Jews may have perished in the concentration camps where they were held during the deportation process, but you won't find a single Nazi document anywhere equating the "Final Solution" with mass murder. The "Final Solution" was ALWAYS spoken of by the Nazis as a deportation policy, never as anything more.

[psholtz]

John wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: That simply isn't true. And since you're calling me a Nazi, our debate is over.
You might also ask Duchi to tell you all about the bankers who financed those nasty German Nazis he posted pictures of here. Bankers w/ names like Rothschild and Warburg.

Funny how Duchi left that part out, isn't it? :think:

That's true as well.

I find it appalling that when I critisize any noation in Europe or America no-one considers it wrong but when I critisize Christians and especially Jews I'm a "racist" Duchi is just one of those people. I have many MANY criticisms about Irael and the Jewish population there and that in no way makes me a Nazi.


You're speaking out against a whole group of people. Saying that you would enjoy to see them get thier comeupins.
The Rothschilds and the Warburgs will get what's coming to them.

That I promise you.

And because these cowards cower behind the state of Israel, and use that state as a human shield from behind which they can perform their diabolical machinations w/ seeming impunity, it wouldn't surprise me if -- sooner or later -- Israel sustains some very heavy "collateral" damage (probably nuclear) as a consequence.

We have the same problem here in America, although to a lesser extent. The same cowardly bankers are using America as the same shield, from which to operate. However, America has always been more autonomous than Israel, and much more self-confident. We here in this country still have the power to overthrow these bankers and restore just government to the people.

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: Listen up and you might learn something. Nazis believed in a final solution to get rid of groups they don't like. I'm even against the death penalty so how wqould I ever agree with their actions? Also, Nazis are facist. I';m democratic socialist/communist.
Actually even this is a distortion of history..

Although it's an EXTREMLEY widely believed one, thanks to our mass media..

The Nazi "Final Solution" for the "Jewish Problem" in Europe was simply the deportation of Jews out of Europe. First to the Eastern front (in Poland, etc), and from there either to Palestine or Africa (the Nazis never really made up their mind as to what the final destination would be). That the "Final Solution" involved the mass murder of Jews is a distortion of history. Jews may have perished in the concentration camps where they were held during the deportation process, but you won't find a single Nazi document anywhere equating the "Final Solution" with mass murder. The "Final Solution" was ALWAYS spoken of by the Nazis as a deportation policy, never as anything more.

Yeah yeah, carry on. Those nice Nazis just tried to find better living arrangements for Jews, and those damn Jews just started dropping like flies.

All the mobile killing squads in Eastern Europe, yeah, they just wanted to deport Jews, and then those stupid Jews just died. Who knew that when you mow down thousands of people with machine guns, they would just die? Who knew that when you just temporarily "hold" 33,000 Jews at Babi Yar they would just die, instead of being deported. Especially when you execute them by machine gun fire.

Who knew that when you just "hold" people in a room and release Zyklon B gas into it, they would suddenly drop dead before the deportation.

You are scum, paul sholtz. There are plenty idiots in this world, and not much can be said of them. An idiot is an idiot, whether communist or socialist, and I don't mind their rants or boycotts that much. They are just entertaining. But you are not an idiot. You are just vile Nazi-apologetic scum.

And if after reading your post any moderator decides to ban me instead of you, then I'd put him in the same category.

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: All the mobile killing squads in Eastern Europe, yeah, they just wanted to deport Jews, and then those stupid Jews just died. Who knew that when you mow down thousands of people with machine guns, they would just die? Who knew that when you just temporarily "hold" 33,000 Jews at Babi Yar they would just die, instead of being deported. Especially when you execute them by machine gun fire.
The Nazis were vicious murderers, nobody's going to debate that.

But, first of all, know that Jews weren't the only people they were killing. Secondly, know that amongst the Jews, the ones the Nazis loved to kill the most were those who were opposed to Zionism. And third, know that if you'd stop distorting the facts of history, maybe your feelings won't get so hurt next time.

Nobody's going to deny that the Nazis killed Jews, but the fact remains that the Nazi "Endloesung" (the "Final Solution" of which you speak) was a deportation policy.. probably one drafted up by those same Zionist bankers who backed the Nazis in the first place.. the ones w/ the names like Rothschild and Warburg. After all, Hitler all but handed the state of Israel on a silver platter to the Zionists, did he not? He created the perfect pretext for establishing the Jewish state in Palestine.. this can hardly be a coincidence.

And you still haven't answered for the actions of the Rothschilds and the Warburgs. What have you done in your community, in your nation, to stem the danger that these maniacs pose to your people?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Instead, you just whine on and on about how boycotting Israeli makes one a Nazi, and then you brag on and on about all this American technology that is being farmed out -- India-style -- to Israel, all the while mistaking this technology as something you're responsible for.

You're free to descend into crass name calling if you wish, you're free to call me "scum" since you clearly can't think up anything better to say, but all I see here is a bunch of deliberate, willful ignorance. That creates a definite debt, a debt which must be repaid in one form or another.

And I don't want to be anywhere near Israel when that payback finally happens.

[letsgooilers]

Quote: And you still haven't answered for the actions of the Rothschilds and the Warburgs. What have you done in your community, in your nation, to stem the danger that these maniacs pose to your people?

And you know what i'd like to see.... you actually back up those claims. Perhaps you can direct one to a website that can provide evidence for such actions. Given that I've seen you mention this several different times, I would be most curious to see what convinced that jews were really funding the Nazi's.

[psholtz]

letsgooilers wrote: Quote: And you still haven't answered for the actions of the Rothschilds and the Warburgs. What have you done in your community, in your nation, to stem the danger that these maniacs pose to your people?

And you know what i'd like to see.... you actually back up those claims. Perhaps you can direct one to a website that can provide evidence for such actions. Given that I've seen you mention this several different times, I would be most curious to see what convinced that jews were really funding the Nazi's.
Much of the Nazi's funding was laundered through a corporate slush fund at a company called IG Farben. Max Warburg, the German central banker, was a director at IG Farben Germany. Paul Warburg, his brother and the U.S. central banker, was a director at IG Farben America. Many other connections between the Warburgs and the Nazis can be uncovered as well.

As for the Rothschilds, it's rumored that Hitler himself *was* a Rothschild, or at least the bastard grandson of one of a Rothschild. Even if this is not true, the Rothschild predilection for financing both sides in a war, especially in big wars, is well known, and it certainly occurred in WWII..

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Secondly, know that amongst the Jews, the ones the Nazis loved to kill the most were those who were opposed to Zionism. :lol:

Why?

[cap'n queasy]

psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: Listen up and you might learn something. Nazis believed in a final solution to get rid of groups they don't like. I'm even against the death penalty so how wqould I ever agree with their actions? Also, Nazis are facist. I';m democratic socialist/communist.
Actually even this is a distortion of history..

Although it's an EXTREMLEY widely believed one, thanks to our mass media..

The Nazi "Final Solution" for the "Jewish Problem" in Europe was simply the deportation of Jews out of Europe. First to the Eastern front (in Poland, etc), and from there either to Palestine or Africa (the Nazis never really made up their mind as to what the final destination would be). That the "Final Solution" involved the mass murder of Jews is a distortion of history. Jews may have perished in the concentration camps where they were held during the deportation process, but you won't find a single Nazi document anywhere equating the "Final Solution" with mass murder. The "Final Solution" was ALWAYS spoken of by the Nazis as a deportation policy, never as anything more.

This is utter rot.

[LostSoul3412]

DavidXV wrote: and to all Israeli citizens and the nation of Israel:

Today you are in our prayers, may God protect you and your family, loved ones and relatives, may God bring peace to Israel.



But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob,
And He who formed you, O Israel:

“ Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by your name;
You are Mine.
When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow you.
When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned,
Nor shall the flame scorch you.
For I am the LORD your God,
The Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
I gave Egypt for your ransom,
Ethiopia and Seba in your place.
Isaiah 43:1,2,3

And to join the Old Testament with the New Testament; to join the Hebrew with the Christian:

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives.
Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." - John 14:27

Regardless of faith or political bounds, may God bring peace to both sides of war, and may suffering end for all peoples. Amen to you, Sons and Daughters of Abraham, and may God protect you through all evils.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: psholtz wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: Listen up and you might learn something. Nazis believed in a final solution to get rid of groups they don't like. I'm even against the death penalty so how wqould I ever agree with their actions? Also, Nazis are facist. I';m democratic socialist/communist.
Actually even this is a distortion of history..

Although it's an EXTREMLEY widely believed one, thanks to our mass media..

The Nazi "Final Solution" for the "Jewish Problem" in Europe was simply the deportation of Jews out of Europe. First to the Eastern front (in Poland, etc), and from there either to Palestine or Africa (the Nazis never really made up their mind as to what the final destination would be). That the "Final Solution" involved the mass murder of Jews is a distortion of history. Jews may have perished in the concentration camps where they were held during the deportation process, but you won't find a single Nazi document anywhere equating the "Final Solution" with mass murder. The "Final Solution" was ALWAYS spoken of by the Nazis as a deportation policy, never as anything more.

This is utter rot.
Try reading a history book..

[letsgooilers]

psholtz wrote: letsgooilers wrote: Quote: And you still haven't answered for the actions of the Rothschilds and the Warburgs. What have you done in your community, in your nation, to stem the danger that these maniacs pose to your people?

And you know what i'd like to see.... you actually back up those claims. Perhaps you can direct one to a website that can provide evidence for such actions. Given that I've seen you mention this several different times, I would be most curious to see what convinced that jews were really funding the Nazi's.
Much of the Nazi's funding was laundered through a corporate slush fund at a company called IG Farben.

Good, good, I'm learning something I suppose.

Quote: Max Warburg, the German central banker, was a director at IG Farben Germany.
And you source is what exactly for this? Interesting, as I couldn't find any direct ties between him and IG Farben. As I discovered the company was put on trial immediately following the war. neither Warburg appears on any list of defendants I could find. Of course, i can imagine what your response will be. "well, it's part of the conspiracy, duh!". Although I"m willing to admit, he does appear to have some influence over the state of German affairs for a period. Until he sold out and moved to the States in 1938.

Quote: Paul Warburg, his brother and the U.S. central banker, was a director at IG Farben America.

Yes advocated of centrailized banking. Diretor at IG Farben America... can't find any evidence that says he was.

Quote: Many other connections between the Warburgs and the Nazis can be uncovered as well.

Like for example?

Quote: As for the Rothschilds, it's rumored that Hitler himself *was* a Rothschild, or at least the bastard grandson of one of a Rothschild.

Oh, a rumor, that makes it all so clear now. I mean clearly if there's a rumor there must be some truth to it.... or not.

Quote: Even if this is not true, the Rothschild predilection for financing both sides in a war, especially in big wars, is well known, and it certainly occurred in WWII..

You know, this is why I find you to be very full of yourself. You say things(without sourcing them of course. Must be so hard to find those elusive sources that back up points) such as this, and just expect people to just believe them. But of course, you must be of superior mind to the rest of us, holding all this important knowledge.

Quote: Try reading a history book..

Try taking off the tinfoil hat..

[psholtz]

letsgooilers wrote: neither Warburg appears on any list of defendants I could find.
Of course not.

They're the ones who actually started the war. Why should they be called to account for their own actions?

Quote: Quote: Try reading a history book..

Try taking off the tinfoil hat..
No seriously.

Read a history book.

The Nazi "Final Solution" was a deportation policy. It was not a mass murder policy (even though the Nazis did, obviously, commit mass murders).