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johnflesh · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 503 Location: Texas

I like results. Sure it takes time, sure it takes effort, through talking, discussions, whatnot. But here is a question I pose on most conspiracy and/or discussion panels that I have visited:

What are you going to do about it?

No really, what?

I have read every conspiracy theory there is about 9/11. I have read the american government's conspiracy, and I have read the american people's conpiracy. There is a video released lately called Loose Change which proves that the American people's conspiracy is true, which would mean that everyone in the current administration, all the way up to Bush are lying murderers.

I have read both sides of the fence on the Iraq war. Which if the American people are correct, everyone in the current administration, all the way up to Bush, is a lying murderer.

I have read countless claims of civil liberties abused or completely taken away. I have read both sides of every single thread of evidence that points the finger at this current administration.

You do realize what you say is that the current administration, all the way up to, yep you guess it, GWB, is lying murderers?

I have seen the discussion but what is the action? What are you going to do about it? Discuss it on forums? Make movies about it all day?

What are you going to do about it? Like what action are you personally going to take, or are taking to counter this administration and the wrong doers throught this nation and the world? What action?

I am not being sarcastic, I am seriously asking? What is the next step?

When will it come?

Please discuss...

EDIT:

Due to the fact that this may be percieved as MY views, or that I agree with these stories, videos, documents, or conpiracy theories I'd just like to go on the record and state that this is a challenge for those who believe these conspiracy theories. I don't believe in anything concerning this, I have seen the facts from both sides and in some small cases I am on the fence, but nothing more.

I have full right to discuss this. Any talk of violent acts will not be dignified with a response. This is an attempt to get those who believe in the 911 inside job thing, and other theories concerning iraq and such, to put up and do something with all of that evidence you have.

I am an American and proud of it.

paulmarkj · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 113

No replies yet. Perhaps they are keeping their plans secret.

The problem with most conspiracies are they are unprovable by definition. (It's all secret, so we can never get the evidence. Though, oddly, the conspiracy nuts always find some evidence), and they have no expiry date. There is the occasional nut who is brave enough to give a date, but, of course, the dreaded event never happens.

Y2K comes to mind, the world would end, the US army were ready to take over every town, People reported barricades being put up in Dec 1999 to stop residents leaving their towns. I argued this was rubbish, I was told I had a closed mind. I was told I simply did not understand how computers worked, even though I have a degree in Computer Science, had 15 years practical experience and was the manager for the Y2K project at a very large organisation. (We tested for months and found 0 Y2K problems.) But what do I know? I, apparently, have a closed mind.

My challenge is this: when you give a conspiracy, give a prediction or a date. Don’t just say the Illuminati will take over the world, tell me when and how.

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

paulmarkj wrote: No replies yet. Perhaps they are keeping their plans secret.

The problem with most conspiracies are they are unprovable by definition. (It's all secret, so we can never get the evidence. Though, oddly, the conspiracy nuts always find some evidence), and they have no expiry date. There is the occasional nut who is brave enough to give a date, but, of course, the dreaded event never happens.

Y2K comes to mind, the world would end, the US army were ready to take over every town, People reported barricades being put up in Dec 1999 to stop residents leaving their towns. I argued this was rubbish, I was told I had a closed mind. I was told I simply did not understand how computers worked, even though I have a degree in Computer Science, had 15 years practical experience and was the manager for the Y2K project at a very large organisation. (We tested for months and found 0 Y2K problems.) But what do I know? I, apparently, have a closed mind.

My challenge is this: when you give a conspiracy, give a prediction or a date. Don’t just say the Illuminati will take over the world, tell me when and how.

You have already been told how.

Richard Gardner spelled it our for all to see, yet some people refuse to take off their blinders.

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

On July 18, 1993, Council on Foreign Relations member and trilateralist Henry Kissinger wrote: "With NAFTA, the U.S. creates a New World Order. What Congress has before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system. The trade agreement with Mexico is the vital first step for a new kind of community of nations, a first step toward THE NEW WORLD ORDER."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/200411.shtml

Do you know who received the Global Governance award in 1992 and why?

Do you know who received the global governance award in 1999 and why?

Have you ever researched any other conspiracies, say like the OKC bombing, or TWA 800?

Do you know what our govenrment has admitted to, say like the testing that has been done on our own soldiers, veterans and civilians?

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

John,

I have no idea of what we can do. I do not know how to get through to the American people. We have a mountain of evidence which proves that neither of the two ruling parties gives a s**t about the American people, yet the majoirty of Americans will defend "their" party to their dying breath.

Personally, I don't see anything we can do until more Americans break out of their denial and admit the truth, the truth being that both parties have sold out the American people.

Rhoades · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1169 Location: Pennsylvania

This all makes me sick to the stomach.

johnflesh · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 503 Location: Texas

Rhoades wrote: This all makes me sick to the stomach.

Agreed.

Personally I am tired of dialog about this. I am not one for violence in any way. Hell I am the quiet one in groups but part of me wishes something to happen.

I have seen countless movies, signs, indication to take charge on these issues, (which is a loose term at best for the current situation) but what does it mean? Does taking charge mean more discussion? More protests? More?

2008 will be here shortly. Bush will assume his job in Iraq (kidding) and this era will be somewhat, over. I realize it will continue but Bush will get away in the eyes of those who seek justice.

I don't know...

Part of me suggests that a power that is strong enough to do what the conspiracy theorists suggest it can, cannot be stopped through dialog, protest, etc. In fact, we are all but powerless against them.

Me personally? I can't say I agree with all the conspiracys out there about this, but I do know, that no one has a plan on how to counter this. Maybe they don't have the actual 'proof' they think they do.

Do something about it if you can, otherwise your dialog is nothing but theory and accusation.

I am not one for violence so if you want my help, do not use that as a means.

Discuss...

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

johnflesh wrote: Rhoades wrote: This all makes me sick to the stomach.

Agreed.

Personally I am tired of dialog about this. I am not one for violence in any way. Hell I am the quiet one in groups but part of me wishes something to happen.

I have seen countless movies, signs, indication to take charge on these issues, (which is a loose term at best for the current situation) but what does it mean? Does taking charge mean more discussion? More protests? More?

2008 will be here shortly. Bush will assume his job in Iraq (kidding) and this era will be somewhat, over. I realize it will continue but Bush will get away in the eyes of those who seek justice.

I don't know...

Part of me suggests that a power that is strong enough to do what the conspiracy theorists suggest it can, cannot be stopped through dialog, protest, etc. In fact, we are all but powerless against them.

Me personally? I can't say I agree with all the conspiracys out there about this, but I do know, that no one has a plan on how to counter this. Maybe they don't have the actual 'proof' they think they do.

Do something about it if you can, otherwise your dialog is nothing but theory and accusation.

I am not one for violence so if you want my help, do not use that as a means.

Discuss...

Until the American people are willng to vote the two ruling parties out of office, nothing will change. Violence will not stop the bankers and their buddies, as they can simply go anywhere in the world to hide.

Unfortunatly, the Americna people refuse to admit there is a problem, so addressing the problem is basically impossible. DENIAL rules the day and until the people break out of their denial, they will continue to live in their imaginary world where one party is good and the other party is evil.

johnflesh · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 503 Location: Texas

Quote: Until the American people are willng to vote the two ruling parties out of office, nothing will change. Violence will not stop the bankers and their buddies, as they can simply go anywhere in the world to hide.

Unfortunatly, the Americna people refuse to admit there is a problem, so addressing the problem is basically impossible. DENIAL rules the day and until the people break out of their denial, they will continue to live in their imaginary world where one party is good and the other party is evil.

I agree.

There are those though, that believe that voting in 2000 was a complete wash. Fixed, rigged, however you have it. There are people who believe that a global conspiracy to hold the people down has emerged in full force, the wheels of globalization and condemnation are turning. There are people who believe that this current admin. is going to do whatever they want when they want despite public opinion. So in essence, there are some people who truley believe it will take more than changing the system from within the system. These are those I find most, in a conspiracy forum. My question still stands.

With all this 'mounted evidence' why aren't these people taking action of some sort? Legally they have a sound case, in thier eyes, yet all I ever see is a movie, a new thread in a forum, and the wheels just keep on turning.

Is this all that we are left to do? In of itself it is an extreme version of sitting on one's hands. Violent action against 'those that supress us' is another form of extreme. So when will these conspiracy theorists do something besides talk about it?

As one poster suggested, it may be secret.

I have to ask this; Secret like our own accused government? Yeah that is really giving power to the people. If the consp. theorist are keeping a secret plan to take back america, they are just as much the enemy as they say our own government is. This is not a time for secrets although I do agree some information should be withheld, but secrets and collective groups based on those secrets is the totalitarian regime they say we are fighting to begin with. Heh.

I hope there is more on this. Because everytime I have asked, What are you going to do about it, no one says anything about what they are going to do, nor do they provide one single idea on what could be done, just rhetoric and office chair research.

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

johnflesh wrote: Quote: Until the American people are willng to vote the two ruling parties out of office, nothing will change. Violence will not stop the bankers and their buddies, as they can simply go anywhere in the world to hide.

Unfortunatly, the Americna people refuse to admit there is a problem, so addressing the problem is basically impossible. DENIAL rules the day and until the people break out of their denial, they will continue to live in their imaginary world where one party is good and the other party is evil.

I agree.

There are those though, that believe that voting in 2000 was a complete wash. Fixed, rigged, however you have it. There are people who believe that a global conspiracy to hold the people down has emerged in full force, the wheels of globalization and condemnation are turning. There are people who believe that this current admin. is going to do whatever they want when they want despite public opinion. So in essence, there are some people who truley believe it will take more than changing the system from within the system. These are those I find most, in a conspiracy forum. My question still stands.

With all this 'mounted evidence' why aren't these people taking action of some sort? Legally they have a sound case, in thier eyes, yet all I ever see is a movie, a new thread in a forum, and the wheels just keep on turning.

Is this all that we are left to do? In of itself it is an extreme version of sitting on one's hands. Violent action against 'those that supress us' is another form of extreme. So when will these conspiracy theorists do something besides talk about it?

As one poster suggested, it may be secret.

I have to ask this; Secret like our own accused government? Yeah that is really giving power to the people. If the consp. theorist are keeping a secret plan to take back america, they are just as much the enemy as they say our own government is. This is not a time for secrets although I do agree some information should be withheld, but secrets and collective groups based on those secrets is the totalitarian regime they say we are fighting to begin with. Heh.

I hope there is more on this. Because everytime I have asked, What are you going to do about it, no one says anything about what they are going to do, nor do they provide one single idea on what could be done, just rhetoric and office chair research.

If you are an alcoholic, what is the first step to recovery?

Admitting the problem.

The majority of the American people are unwiling to admit the problem, that both parties have sold out the people, so it is near impossible to help them.

We can't skip the first step, as without the support of the people, any revolution, even of ideas, is impossible.

In my opinion, most Americans know in their heart that both parties suck, but they hate the "other" party so much, they cling to their party like a drowning man clings to a life preserver.

You can't convince a drunk he has a problem, he has to figure it out for himself. You can't convince the people that both parties are sellouts, because they have to figure it our for themselves.

Col. House was one of the most influential men in US politics during the first half of the 20th century, yet most Americans know nothing about him.

The US has been in a declared state of national emergency, basically since 1933, yet most Americans are unaware of this fact.

The Senate issued a report titled "IS Military Research Hazardous to Veterna's Health", yet the people who claim to support the troops have never heard of this report.

American servicemen, veterans and civilians have been tested on by our own government, yet the American people do not even know about most of these tests even though the government has admitted to many of them.

We have had numerous Congressmen and other well respected people tell us the truth about what is really going on in this country, yet most Americans have never read any of these warnings.

We had a president of the United States, who was also a general in the army, warn us about the military industrial complex in his farewell address, yet most Americans just dismiss this warning.

We had a US amabassador to Germany try to tell us the turth about the US coprorate involvement in the buildup of NAZI Germany, yet the people are unaware, or don't care.

We have a handful of corporations which control 90% of the US mass media, yet the people don't care.

We had a deputy secretary of state receive the global governance award for saaying that..... “The next one hundred years will render obsolete any concept of nationhood,” for “all states will recognize a single, global authority.”

Strobe Talbot was congragulated by the Clintons for his global governance award, as was Cronkite who received the award in 1999.

Still, the people are either unaware of this, or they just dismiss it.

Richard Gardner, spokeperson for the CFR, has told us exactly how our sovereignty will be taken, piece, by piece, yet the people do not know, or they do not care.

In the last election we had a choice between two men who both went to YALE, both were members of the Skull and Bones and both who had royal blood in their veins, yet the people do not find this strange.

The people are no longer able to recognize the truth, as much like an alcoholic, they are in DENIAL.

Until the people break out of their denial, there is little anyone can do. People like Dr. Cuddy and Dr. Monteith have been trying to wake people up for years, but it is a slow, painfully slow, process.

truthiness760 · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 102 Location: Mexico City

The only way is REVOLUTION!!! GBW needs to be stopped! What happened when the french got fed up with Louis XVI? They revolted and took his head!! These are the reasons that led up to the french revolution...

-A poor economic situation and unmanageable national debt
-The massive spending of King Louis and the many wars he waged
-Resentment by peasants and wage-earners
-The rise of enlightenment ideals
-A resentment of noble privilege and dominance in public life
-The failure of Louis to deal effectively with these issues

Sound fimiliar???

Michael Boot · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2 Location: England (near Wales)

truthiness760 wrote: The only way is REVOLUTION!!! GBW needs to be stopped! What happened when the french got fed up with Louis XVI? They revolted and took his head!! These are the reasons that led up to the french revolution...

-A poor economic situation and unmanageable national debt
-The massive spending of King Louis and the many wars he waged
-Resentment by peasants and wage-earners
-The rise of enlightenment ideals
-A resentment of noble privilege and dominance in public life
-The failure of Louis to deal effectively with these issues

Sound fimiliar???

It's not about revolution but EVOLUTION. Here in the UK Tony B.liar is totally discredited as a leader, after promising much but delivering little more than BS and a futile war in Iraq.

It's not about killing B.liar or Dubya. It's about doing things ourselves and pulling our own communities away from the power of the all-pervasive state.

We should know by now that expecting politicians to fulfill our economic, political and moral needs is futile. We should take power back- some may see that as Anarchism. I think of it as DIY democracy.

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

truthiness760 wrote: The only way is REVOLUTION!!! GBW needs to be stopped! What happened when the french got fed up with Louis XVI? They revolted and took his head!! These are the reasons that led up to the french revolution...

-A poor economic situation and unmanageable national debt
-The massive spending of King Louis and the many wars he waged
-Resentment by peasants and wage-earners
-The rise of enlightenment ideals
-A resentment of noble privilege and dominance in public life
-The failure of Louis to deal effectively with these issues

Sound fimiliar???

If you beleive that Bush is the problem, then you are part of the problem. Bush is doing the same thing Clinton did while he was in office.......what he is told.

This is not an issue of partisanship, it is about BOTH parties being controlled by others who are behind the scenes. Take your partisanship elsewhere.

one world many goverments · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 63

Norrin Radd wrote: John,

I have no idea of what we can do. I do not know how to get through to the American people. We have a mountain of evidence which proves that neither of the two ruling parties gives a s**t about the American people, yet the majoirty of Americans will defend "their" party to their dying breath.

Personally, I don't see anything we can do until more Americans break out of their denial and admit the truth, the truth being that both parties have sold out the American people.
yep. in order for me to want to do something, i first want to see human beings when i go out into the street, not zombies who wait for their momma-government to bring them home some bacon...

i would be willing to join any movement who has a complete solution, other way its not worth the effort. complete solution in my understanding is a movement which outlaws any money in political campaigns and primarily seeks to create a democratic media outlet which will be condemning any political candidates who expose themselves on corporate media. until people understand my point there is absolutely nothing i can do.

i feel like politics aside i am battling animals who just seek domination: dont trust democracy, have problem with lack of it, hate the war, support those who profit from it, etc...

truthiness760 · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 102 Location: Mexico City

Norrin Radd wrote: truthiness760 wrote: The only way is REVOLUTION!!! GBW needs to be stopped! What happened when the french got fed up with Louis XVI? They revolted and took his head!! These are the reasons that led up to the french revolution...

-A poor economic situation and unmanageable national debt
-The massive spending of King Louis and the many wars he waged
-Resentment by peasants and wage-earners
-The rise of enlightenment ideals
-A resentment of noble privilege and dominance in public life
-The failure of Louis to deal effectively with these issues

Sound fimiliar???

If you beleive that Bush is the problem, then you are part of the problem. Bush is doing the same thing Clinton did while he was in office.......what he is told.

This is not an issue of partisanship, it is about BOTH parties being controlled by others who are behind the scenes. Take your partisanship elsewhere.
Well first of all im non-partisan. I believe we should have more choices than the lesser of two evils. Second of all when I say Bush, I mean the entire administration along with the HOR. A revolution wouldnt leave anyone in power that is today. Im the first one to label Bush a puppet. Hes not smart enough to pull these stunts by himself! But that doesn't make him exempt from the morality issue just because other presidents have done the wealthy-mans bidding as well...that is a bad cop-out!!

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

truthiness760 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: truthiness760 wrote: The only way is REVOLUTION!!! GBW needs to be stopped! What happened when the french got fed up with Louis XVI? They revolted and took his head!! These are the reasons that led up to the french revolution...

-A poor economic situation and unmanageable national debt
-The massive spending of King Louis and the many wars he waged
-Resentment by peasants and wage-earners
-The rise of enlightenment ideals
-A resentment of noble privilege and dominance in public life
-The failure of Louis to deal effectively with these issues

Sound fimiliar???

If you beleive that Bush is the problem, then you are part of the problem. Bush is doing the same thing Clinton did while he was in office.......what he is told.

This is not an issue of partisanship, it is about BOTH parties being controlled by others who are behind the scenes. Take your partisanship elsewhere.
Well first of all im non-partisan. I believe we should have more choices than the lesser of two evils. Second of all when I say Bush, I mean the entire administration along with the HOR. A revolution wouldnt leave anyone in power that is today. Im the first one to label Bush a puppet. Hes not smart enough to pull these stunts by himself! But that doesn't make him exempt from the morality issue just because other presidents have done the wealthy-mans bidding as well...that is a bad cop-out!!

So, how then do you feel about Clinton?

Are you willing to say that both Bush and Clinton are traitors to the USA?

I am, they are both dirty, stinking traitors!

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

one world many goverments wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: John,

I have no idea of what we can do. I do not know how to get through to the American people. We have a mountain of evidence which proves that neither of the two ruling parties gives a s**t about the American people, yet the majoirty of Americans will defend "their" party to their dying breath.

Personally, I don't see anything we can do until more Americans break out of their denial and admit the truth, the truth being that both parties have sold out the American people.
yep. in order for me to want to do something, i first want to see human beings when i go out into the street, not zombies who wait for their momma-government to bring them home some bacon...

i would be willing to join any movement who has a complete solution, other way its not worth the effort. complete solution in my understanding is a movement which outlaws any money in political campaigns and primarily seeks to create a democratic media outlet which will be condemning any political candidates who expose themselves on corporate media. until people understand my point there is absolutely nothing i can do.

i feel like politics aside i am battling animals who just seek domination: dont trust democracy, have problem with lack of it, hate the war, support those who profit from it, etc...

Do you support one world government?

truthiness760 · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 102 Location: Mexico City

Norrin Radd wrote: truthiness760 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: truthiness760 wrote: The only way is REVOLUTION!!! GBW needs to be stopped! What happened when the french got fed up with Louis XVI? They revolted and took his head!! These are the reasons that led up to the french revolution...

-A poor economic situation and unmanageable national debt
-The massive spending of King Louis and the many wars he waged
-Resentment by peasants and wage-earners
-The rise of enlightenment ideals
-A resentment of noble privilege and dominance in public life
-The failure of Louis to deal effectively with these issues

Sound fimiliar???

If you beleive that Bush is the problem, then you are part of the problem. Bush is doing the same thing Clinton did while he was in office.......what he is told.

This is not an issue of partisanship, it is about BOTH parties being controlled by others who are behind the scenes. Take your partisanship elsewhere.
Well first of all im non-partisan. I believe we should have more choices than the lesser of two evils. Second of all when I say Bush, I mean the entire administration along with the HOR. A revolution wouldnt leave anyone in power that is today. Im the first one to label Bush a puppet. Hes not smart enough to pull these stunts by himself! But that doesn't make him exempt from the morality issue just because other presidents have done the wealthy-mans bidding as well...that is a bad cop-out!!

So, how then do you feel about Clinton?

Are you willing to say that both Bush and Clinton are traitors to the USA?

I am, they are both dirty, stinking traitors!
Yes...but Bush a little more so and a lot more blatently. Nader for prez in 08'!!!

one world many goverments · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 63

Norrin Radd wrote: one world many goverments wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: John,

I have no idea of what we can do. I do not know how to get through to the American people. We have a mountain of evidence which proves that neither of the two ruling parties gives a s**t about the American people, yet the majoirty of Americans will defend "their" party to their dying breath.

Personally, I don't see anything we can do until more Americans break out of their denial and admit the truth, the truth being that both parties have sold out the American people.
yep. in order for me to want to do something, i first want to see human beings when i go out into the street, not zombies who wait for their momma-government to bring them home some bacon...

i would be willing to join any movement who has a complete solution, other way its not worth the effort. complete solution in my understanding is a movement which outlaws any money in political campaigns and primarily seeks to create a democratic media outlet which will be condemning any political candidates who expose themselves on corporate media. until people understand my point there is absolutely nothing i can do.

i feel like politics aside i am battling animals who just seek domination: dont trust democracy, have problem with lack of it, hate the war, support those who profit from it, etc...

Do you support one world government?
sarcasm aside (in this thread) government such as US being the one? absolutely no. government in which money and corporate media plays absolutely no role in political campaigns, absolutely yes. it would bring an end to wars

truthiness760 · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 102 Location: Mexico City

one world many goverments wrote: Norrin Radd wrote:

Do you support one world government?
sarcasm aside (in this thread) government such as US being the one? absolutely no. government in which money and corporate media plays absolutely no role in political campaigns, absolutely yes. it would bring an end to wars
A one world government was Hitler's vision. I would never support a one world government, ever! Bring an end to wars? I think not! It would create tons of civil wars over deciding how the world government should be run...just look at Iraq today...and thats a very small version of what would happen.

one world many goverments · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 63

truthiness760 wrote: one world many goverments wrote: Norrin Radd wrote:

Do you support one world government?
sarcasm aside (in this thread) government such as US being the one? absolutely no. government in which money and corporate media plays absolutely no role in political campaigns, absolutely yes. it would bring an end to wars
A one world government was Hitler's vision. I would never support a one world government, ever! Bring an end to wars? I think not! It would create tons of civil wars over deciding how the world government should be run...just look at Iraq today...and thats a very small version of what would happen.
Iraq today is under an occupation of US style government, you're confused
one world many goverments wrote: government such as US being the one? absolutely no