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Brucyboy26
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Israel: Friend of Foe? |
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| Well, which do you think it is, and why? |
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Plato & Socrates
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A friend you could do without because of Israel, American influence is on the wain in that region. Apart from Israel and the puppet regime of Kuwait, the Americans don't really have any true allies in that region.
As for America's stance of being a honest peace broker in the Israeli-Palestine conflict. The whole region plus the world knows you are holding a busted flush, in your insistence that the U.S is a fair and impartial broker.
So destroyed is your reputation for being honest and fair in that region, that's it the equivalent of the under table camera in poker. The U.S bluffs to everyone that its playing cards say "fair and impartial When in reality everyone looking at the table cam can see Israel marked on the cards. This more than anything will destroy American influence in the region. Purely because she has proven time and time again to be a partisan liar. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Israel (as presently constituted) is a foe to the U.S. and its Constitution. |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:21 am Post subject: |
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of course a foe to me.
the reason is obvious. |
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lilrascal
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| Israel only cares about itself. It has sold U.S military secrets to china, and gets millions in aid for 'defense'. Not to mention relations between the west and ME suffer because of it. I would love it if the U.S pulled everything it has from the ME. Including the dependancy on their oil. |
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thundertaker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Neither. Israel and the Palestinians are like two drunken thugs fighting in the street. Not worth the consequences of stepping in and taking sides...... |
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drobforever
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: |
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thundertaker wrote: Neither. Israel and the Palestinians are like two drunken thugs fighting in the street. Not worth the consequences of stepping in and taking sides......
Well, but can we take the consequences of not taking a side? Israel lose, nuke, world problem. Arab league lose, millions of Muslims become terrorists, world problem. The best for the US is to make ME the Taiwan-China situation. i.e. Nobody fires, unless we want to. |
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Rankor and Pissing
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Plato & Socrates wrote: A friend you could do without because of Israel, American influence is on the wain in that region. Apart from Israel and the puppet regime of Kuwait, the Americans don't really have any true allies in that region.
Hmm... too bad the U.S. State Department doesn't share your opinion. Here's a summary:
Turkey - U.S. Nato Member & Very Close Relations
Georgia - U.S. Close Relations
Armenia - U.S. OK relations - 3 trade agreements
Azerbaijan - U.S. OK relations - 1 trade agreement
Syria - Severed relations 2005
Cyprus - U.S. Unsettled relations
Jordan - U.S. Close Relations
Iraq - U.S. Close Relations
Lebanon - U.S. degraded relations
Egypt - U.S. Close relations
Saudia Arabia - U.S. Close relations
Kuwait - U.S. Close relations
Qatar - U.S. Close relations
Oman - U.S. OK relations
Iran - U.S. Severed Relations
Turkmenistan - U.S. Unsettled Relations
Uzbekistan - U.S. Unsettled Relations
Pakistan - U.S. Ok Relations
India - U.S. Ok Relations
Yemen - U.S. Good Relations
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/
No allies? Define ally again? |
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Pebble
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Quote: Iraq - U.S. Close Relations
I question the accuracy of a document that claims that... |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Israel: Friend of Foe? |
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Brucyboy26 wrote: Well, which do you think it is, and why?
Depends on who you are. |
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Rankor and Pissing
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Pebble wrote: Quote: Iraq - U.S. Close Relations
I question the accuracy of a document that claims that...
Why is that? Isn't the American military holding peace in Iraq that is ultimately coordinated with the newly elected Iraq government? Do you believe differently no matter what the politics of it are... |
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Plato & Socrates
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Rankor and Pissing wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Iraq - U.S. Close Relations
I question the accuracy of a document that claims that...
Why is that? Isn't the American military holding peace in Iraq that is ultimately coordinated with the newly elected Iraq government? Do you believe differently no matter what the politics of it are...
The Iraqi government control nothing outside of the Green zone period. You are completely unaware of the dynamics between Iran and Iraq. Why do you think the American admin made overtures to talk to Iran directly reguarding nuclear issues? Many of the Iraqi cabinet are anti-American, the lid can blow off that any time. Iraq is so f**ked that even 30 or 50 deaths a day dont even make our front pages, but tucked away on page 7 with two paragraphs. |
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Plato & Socrates
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| !!! |
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Rankor and Pissing
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Plato & Socrates wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Iraq - U.S. Close Relations
I question the accuracy of a document that claims that...
Why is that? Isn't the American military holding peace in Iraq that is ultimately coordinated with the newly elected Iraq government? Do you believe differently no matter what the politics of it are...
The Iraqi government control nothing outside of the Green zone period. You are completely unaware of the dynamics between Iran and Iraq. Why do you think the American admin made overtures to talk to Iran directly reguarding nuclear issues? Many of the Iraqi cabinet are anti-American, the lid can blow off that any time. Iraq is so f**ked that even 30 or 50 deaths a day dont even make our front pages, but tucked away on page 7 with two paragraphs.
Firstly we talking about Iraq and not Iran...
The Iraqi government was dually elected. Many of the Iraq cabinet may indeed be anti-American, but they were elected still. Coordination with that government and the U.S. must be at least at an operational level, since the U.S. is keeping the government safe.
Iran in this discussion is irrelevant. How many deaths occur in Iraq as it's concerned with the U.S. relationship with Iraq at this point is also irrelevant. Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice (multiple visits to both military and Iraqi government officials) and 100,000 + U.S. military are in their country, working with their security forces, training and recruiting their people to keep the peace. By definition you have to have at least a cooperative relationship government to government to make that happen.
The other extraneous stuff is not applicable to my comment that the U.S. has a good relationship with Iraq - nor the State Department's own information.
Care to stay on topic and not attempt to again muddy the water with extraneous irrelevant information? |
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