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[PricklySponge]

KungFuBob wrote: I've avoided playing World of Warcraft...it seems to suck people's lives away... thats why i'm never trying it

[FCTE]

PricklySponge wrote: KungFuBob wrote: I've avoided playing World of Warcraft...it seems to suck people's lives away... thats why i'm never trying it

You don't have to worry, you have to be in possession of a life before it can suck it away. :P

[Gnostic]

Infinite911911 wrote: Horde - Bleeding Hollow Server

60 - Troll Hunter - PVP rank 12

48 - Undead Priest - PVP rank 5 (my goal is 14 with him)

and John Galt is still scared to duel me :P




FOR THE HORDE!

Wildhammer

60 - troll hunter

60 - undead mage

29 - undead mage

currently working on a 17- tauren shaman

ok, i'll say it, for the horde! :lol:

Yes, I have no life.

[Gnostic]

JoeBen81 wrote: Horde = Republicans
Alliance = Everyone else


J/K, lame joke. Kabel, Druid, Kael'Thas. Send me a invite... even if your a repub.. :-D

Horde republicans??

I better start playing more pvp! :lol:

I can get out my frustrations on them in WoW, and debate here more sensibly!

[satisfaction]

Ahh.. World of Warcraft. It is sad though how many people have better lives in that game than in actual life. But atleast they are happy right? The payment idea is mainly what's keeping me from playing that game. I don't have enough time to play a game that I have to pay 15 dollars a month anyway.

[FCTE]

satisfaction wrote: The payment idea is mainly what's keeping me from playing that game. I don't have enough time to play a game that I have to pay 15 dollars a month anyway.

Pretty soon all games will be this way, the future of PC gaming is server based instead of stand alone discs. That way they can control piracy.

[Quell]

"Dinged" last night on my rogue. 3 level 60s now.

My guild dropped Nef last week as well, and are progressing well into AQ40. We also plan our first Nax attempt for tomorrow.

Its incredibly easy to level in this game. Just rotate out of rest EXP. 2 hours a day isnt bad. Most people watch like 4 hours of TV. I dont watch any TV really, and when I do its either Cspan, the history channel, or the military channel.

[Gnostic]

Quell wrote: "Dinged" last night on my rogue. 3 level 60s now.

My guild dropped Nef last week as well, and are progressing well into AQ40. We also plan our first Nax attempt for tomorrow.

Its incredibly easy to level in this game. Just rotate out of rest EXP. 2 hours a day isnt bad. Most people watch like 4 hours of TV. I dont watch any TV really, and when I do its either Cspan, the history channel, or the military channel.

I never found it easy to level past, say, around level 30. It gets harder and harder, and if you are mainly solo, as I prefer, it's real tough. 3 60's is amazing....that's ALOT of playing, or months of that 2 hours a day regimen. That's just my experience. Some quests at the higher levels TAKE 2 hours just to complete. I don't join guilds until I level out fairly high, that way I don't just jump at the first offers and once I get high enough I can then pick and choose which guilds I want to be in and let them persue ME, lol.

But IMO levelling past 30 is'nt very "incredibly easy" unless you have loads of time to spend on it.

[Gnostic]

FCTE wrote: satisfaction wrote: The payment idea is mainly what's keeping me from playing that game. I don't have enough time to play a game that I have to pay 15 dollars a month anyway.

Pretty soon all games will be this way, the future of PC gaming is server based instead of stand alone discs. That way they can control piracy.

There are plenty of stand alone games out there and always will be. The difference being with WoW is it's a online interactive RPG. RPG's are'nt for everyone, and that's why games like Doom become so popular. I don't think it has anything to do with piracy control. If a person does'nt want to play an inetactive RPG with other players, there are tons of other non-server based games one can choose from, some with highly popular followings.

[FCTE]

Gnostic wrote: There are plenty of stand alone games out there and always will be. The difference being with WoW is it's a online interactive RPG. RPG's are'nt for everyone, and that's why games like Doom become so popular. I don't think it has anything to do with piracy control. If a person does'nt want to play an inetactive RPG with other players, there are tons of other non-server based games one can choose from, some with highly popular followings.

The game ditributors, no matter what game it is, are going to be going the server route to reduce piracy. It has nothing to with WoW or RPG's, this is what they are headed for in the future, or like a Steam distribution where you have an account and a password and no use for the disks.

[Gnostic]

FCTE wrote: Gnostic wrote: There are plenty of stand alone games out there and always will be. The difference being with WoW is it's a online interactive RPG. RPG's are'nt for everyone, and that's why games like Doom become so popular. I don't think it has anything to do with piracy control. If a person does'nt want to play an inetactive RPG with other players, there are tons of other non-server based games one can choose from, some with highly popular followings.

The game ditributors, no matter what game it is, are going to be going the server route to reduce piracy. It has nothing to with WoW or RPG's, this is what they are headed for in the future, or like a Steam distribution where you have an account and a password and no use for the disks.

I see your point, but I just can't see why anyone would pay a monthly fee to play a server based game when they don't want to interactively play with others. I don't think it would sell very well beyond the types that play games like WoW.

Just look at some of the posts here. Lots of people who don't have the time for online RPG's would'nt buy it. The gaming industry would cut it's own throat just to prevent an inconsequential in comparison amount of piracy. Unless you are talking about a one-time-pay sort of thing....which I can't see either because servers cost alot of money to keep maintained, especially if usage goes up.....just look at all the trouble WoW has with theirs. People who don't want to play online with others will balk at the monthly charges and the PC gaming industry will lose big bux to the consoles.

[FCTE]

Gnostic wrote: I see your point, but I just can't see why anyone would pay a monthly fee to play a server based game when they don't want to interactively play with others. I don't think it would sell very well beyond the types that play games like WoW.

You don't necessarily have to pay a monthly fee, like Steam, once you pay for the game it's yours, all updates and trials are free of charge.

Quote: Just look at some of the posts here. Lots of people who don't have the time for online RPG's would'nt buy it. The gaming industry would cut it's own throat just to prevent an inconsequential in comparison amount of piracy. Unless you are talking about a one-time-pay sort of thing....which I can't see either because servers cost alot of money to keep maintained, especially if usage goes up.....just look at all the trouble WoW has with theirs. People who don't want to play online with others will balk at the monthly charges and the PC gaming industry will lose big bux to the consoles.

The server cost is probably just as equal to manufacturing disks, literature, printing, box manufacturing, and piracy control.

I gave up my WoW account so I can work on my real life, it's an outstanding game, but I can put that effort and time into real life. :lol:

I don't mind server based issues of games and steam is pretty great, I never have to look for an update or disks. What I do want to see is more Linux support. Currently only Unreal Tournament, Doom, Quake, Neverwinter Nights, and a few others have native Linux installations, the rest need emulation programs like wine and cedega which are a b!tch to set up.

[Quell]

Gnostic wrote: I never found it easy to level past, say, around level 30. It gets harder and harder, and if you are mainly solo, as I prefer, it's real tough. 3 60's is amazing....that's ALOT of playing, or months of that 2 hours a day regimen.

yep..coming up on 2 yearsish. If you keep your chars in rested, and only play in rested its not too bad. I play more on weekends, and I lead a raid on tues. Normally I play Tues, thurs-sat. I take mon, and wed off completly.

Quote: Some quests at the higher levels TAKE 2 hours just to complete.

Its all about the guild and time management. Like I said earlier, Im an officer in a guild, that is starting to poke our heads into Naxx. We do not opperate with DKP, nor do we have any attendence/playtime requirements. We are prolly one of maybe a dozen that are like this, but it has worked very well for me.

Quote: I don't join guilds until I level out fairly high, that way I don't just jump at the first offers and once I get high enough I can then pick and choose which guilds I want to be in and let them persue ME, lol.

I was the GM of a small guild, and we merged with another small guild ~ a year ago. It has worked out very well.

Quote: But IMO levelling past 30 is'nt very "incredibly easy" unless you have loads of time to spend on it.

It doesnt require any more time, then most people watch TV. Gaming is my hobbie. I dont watch TV. I dont go out drinking on the weekends. Im married, and have 1 kid who just started school. I have a very "easy" work enviroment (hence my posting here), that essentially lets me do/work when I want as long as I get it done. In most cases I try and get everything done at the begining of the week. It doesnt pay super great, but it is the best job I have ever had...and I have a suger momma, so my pay check isnt an issue :P . I supported her for almost ~8 years while in the military (one of those mushy love at first sight type things)...It was worth every second.

[zeuz]

FCTE wrote: Who is else is on here?

I'm a Dwarf Warrior (Tank) on Windrunner.

if you are on a linux then you must be playing via an emulator?

[FCTE]

zeuz wrote: FCTE wrote: Who is else is on here?

I'm a Dwarf Warrior (Tank) on Windrunner.

if you are on a linux then you must be playing via an emulator?


Yes on Linux you can use Wine or Cedega which creates a Windows environment for installation.

[Gnostic]

FCTE wrote: Gnostic wrote: I see your point, but I just can't see why anyone would pay a monthly fee to play a server based game when they don't want to interactively play with others. I don't think it would sell very well beyond the types that play games like WoW.

You don't necessarily have to pay a monthly fee, like Steam, once you pay for the game it's yours, all updates and trials are free of charge.

Quote: Just look at some of the posts here. Lots of people who don't have the time for online RPG's would'nt buy it. The gaming industry would cut it's own throat just to prevent an inconsequential in comparison amount of piracy. Unless you are talking about a one-time-pay sort of thing....which I can't see either because servers cost alot of money to keep maintained, especially if usage goes up.....just look at all the trouble WoW has with theirs. People who don't want to play online with others will balk at the monthly charges and the PC gaming industry will lose big bux to the consoles.

The server cost is probably just as equal to manufacturing disks, literature, printing, box manufacturing, and piracy control.

Huh? Do you realize how much it costs to buy, maintain and upgrade servers?? It's continual. There's no way they could charge a one-time fee for a server based game without charging a very high one. It costs big money to maintain and upgrade such equipment, believe me. And then you'll need GM's to constantly monitor the servers and player complaints for problems....Blizzard for example hires and maintains many paid GM's who monitor it and stand-by for server problems and glitches and help 24/7.....without them, the problems would mount and players would have no course of correction and they would leave the game in droves, and this has happened to WoW before as well until they invested big money to upgrade their servers worldwide, and they still are hiring programmers and controllers for GM's in the cities which hold servers. Then you have the constant de-bugging, and the additions to the gameplay as well as updates and improvements and on and on.....a company would lose it's shirt AND customer base quickly if they did'nt continually charge a monthly fee to support such an infrastructure. It's just not economically feasible, and maintaining multiple server banks in multiple locations costs a hella lot more than manufacturing CD's and game manuals over the course of time. This is obvious to anyone with any experience at all in that industry.

FCTE wrote: I gave up my WoW account so I can work on my real life, it's an outstanding game, but I can put that effort and time into real life. :lol:

No kidding. But real life just gets so....grinding and dull. So when I need an ego boost, I can open up my 60 Shaman and go slaughter some alliance punks and I feel all better. :lol:

FCTE wrote: I don't mind server based issues of games and steam is pretty great, I never have to look for an update or disks. What I do want to see is more Linux support. Currently only Unreal Tournament, Doom, Quake, Neverwinter Nights, and a few others have native Linux installations, the rest need emulation programs like wine and cedega which are a b!tch to set up.

Not enough people use Linux for the game developers to spend the time and money on it. A real problem, to be sure.

[FCTE]

Gnostic wrote: Huh? Do you realize how much it costs to buy, maintain and upgrade servers?? It's continual. There's no way they could charge a one-time fee for a server based game without charging a very high one. It costs big money to maintain and upgrade such equipment, believe me. And then you'll need GM's to constantly monitor the servers and player complaints for problems....Blizzard for example hires and maintains many paid GM's who monitor it and stand-by for server problems and glitches and help 24/7.....without them, the problems would mount and players would have no course of correction and they would leave the game in droves, and this has happened to WoW before as well until they invested big money to upgrade their servers worldwide, and they still are hiring programmers and controllers for GM's in the cities which hold servers. Then you have the constant de-bugging, and the additions to the gameplay as well as updates and improvements and on and on.....a company would lose it's shirt AND customer base quickly if they did'nt continually charge a monthly fee to support such an infrastructure. It's just not economically feasible, and maintaining multiple server banks in multiple locations costs a hella lot more than manufacturing CD's and game manuals over the course of time. This is obvious to anyone with any experience at all in that industry.

One word.........Steam.

FCTE wrote: Not enough people use Linux for the game developers to spend the time and money on it. A real problem, to be sure.

Bunk, while the percentage of Linux to Windows ratio is quite substantial, they're are plenty of Linux users and it dominates the desktop in Europe.

ID games has ported both Quake and Doom at a very small cost, if any, as games that are ported to run nativley for Linux are highly sought after, they make their money back in no time at all.

Atari also does this and cuts cost by not officially supporting the Linux install for Unreal Tournament.

Porting is not expensive to do and Blizzard already ports WoW for Mac, both Linux and Mac are Unix environments so it wouldn't take much to make a native install for another flavor of Unix.

[John Galt]

Gnostic wrote: Quell wrote: "Dinged" last night on my rogue. 3 level 60s now.

My guild dropped Nef last week as well, and are progressing well into AQ40. We also plan our first Nax attempt for tomorrow.

Its incredibly easy to level in this game. Just rotate out of rest EXP. 2 hours a day isnt bad. Most people watch like 4 hours of TV. I dont watch any TV really, and when I do its either Cspan, the history channel, or the military channel.

I never found it easy to level past, say, around level 30. It gets harder and harder, and if you are mainly solo, as I prefer, it's real tough. 3 60's is amazing....that's ALOT of playing, or months of that 2 hours a day regimen. That's just my experience. Some quests at the higher levels TAKE 2 hours just to complete. I don't join guilds until I level out fairly high, that way I don't just jump at the first offers and once I get high enough I can then pick and choose which guilds I want to be in and let them persue ME, lol.

But IMO levelling past 30 is'nt very "incredibly easy" unless you have loads of time to spend on it.

I have 30 60s and if I recall about 8 30s (I made one of each for each faction... one 60 is horde, other two are alliance).

I found leveling in groups to be key for my last 60. Priest though :)

[LetsGetReal]

WOW s*cks....Worst game Blizzard ever came out with. They were going so well with Starcraft and Diablo, but then they had to make this turd pretty. It really is a game for the nerds, think about it why else would you make a game where the characters can kiss...

[FCTE]

LetsGetReal wrote: WOW s*cks....Worst game Blizzard ever came out with. They were going so well with Starcraft and Diablo, but then they had to make this turd pretty. It really is a game for the nerds, think about it why else would you make a game where the characters can kiss...

All this big talk coming from someone who thinks Halo is the best game ever and that Xbox is better than PC. :lol: