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pedagogue · Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 3752 Location: Galveston, TX

In these "either you're with us, or you're against us" times, if you aren't a rah-rah, polarizing, constitution-overturning and burning, monetary gold-standard, sycophancy to authoritarian leaders — [50 year study says conservatives 'followers' of authoritarian leaders], surrender and hand over all political power to corporations, send anybody but yourself to war, scared of your own shadow, Bible-thumpin' but refuse to read it (Jesus would have classified Republicans in with the Pharisees as manicheists), IQ of 40 and knuckle-dragging Republican, than you're un-American and an "enemy of the state." And I can't possibly think of any misbegotten belief more un-American and unworthy in America than this! Nation comes first; not political affiliation, not tribe, not state or city ... and only after family!

In December of 2000, the State of the Union had never been stronger. Our economy faced a minor blip because of some corporate scandals and the dot com busts that way too much speculating caused. But they could be easily corrected and without the need for any Keynesian economic stimulus. All we had to do was to crack down on corporate corruption and simply allow the pieces to fall where they may with the dot com busts. But Republicans in America, following the precedence of Hitler's Nazis, Stalin's GRU and East Germany's Stasi, are slicing and dicing America into a million tiny, paranoid-schizoid serfdoms administered by the most corrupt rulers to come down the pike since the fall of the U.S.S.R. Truth has become so scarce in America that it might be deemed an endangered species.' Since the first report of Bush's industrial espionage, R&D efforts in America — the one saving grace that has historically served America well by preserving our standard of living while making America competitive throughout the world — has largely ceased and currently serves as the 'poster child' for the word 'moribund.'

Proclaiming themselves to be the stalwart guardians of the nation's till, after ceasing to report the M3 money supply, even foreign investors won't throw their money at America any more. Talk about 'cause and effect!' In December of 2000, the British Pound-Sterling traded against the U.S. dollar at 1 British Pound-Sterling to $1.60; now it trades at 1 British Pound-Sterling to $2.00. In December of 2000, the Euro-dollar traded against the U.S. dollar at 1.2 Euro-dollars to $1.00; now the Euro-dollar trades against the U.S. dollar at about 1 Euro-dollar to $0.80. And in currency ... after currency ... after currency, the same holds true. Therefore it isn't that oil prices are up, it's that our dollar isn't worth much anymore — some stalwart guardians of the nation's till; more like pigs at the trough and foxes watching the hen house! Ah but these same stalwart guardians of the nation's till will argue that the nation's receipts are up. Well ... inflation has a way of doing that; so it's really no big accomplishment. And stealing from the masses through inflation is still stealing, and the most venal type! I suggest that you read up on the 19th century history of Argentina to discover where all this will lead; you see, in the 19th century, Argentina had the highest standard of living in the world.

Proclaiming themselves to be the staunch defenders of the nation and the nation's honor, after 9/11, the whole world stood with us. And Republicans pissed away that good will by launching a war of aggression against Iraq, a nation too weak to any longer threaten anyone. And in the reorganization after 9/11, our intel agencies are now more clueless than ever before; North Korea's long-range missile totally snuck up on them until it was actually on the pad! Meanwhile Homeland In-Security has created millions of folios on ordinary citizens simply going about their ordinary day-to-day business while leaving our borders so wide open that those same ordinary citizens had to take measures themselves to keep from getting stampeded by the invading hoardes from the south. Question; where are those mere 6,000 national guardsmen that Bush promised; Iraq? Not to mention that the F.B.I. can't any longer hold on to their top management or their field agents.

And let's take a look at the sorry state that the nation itself has fallen into; just last week I heard the mayor of Mobile, Alabama claim that his local economy relied upon the return of the casinos after Hurricane Katrina. Say what? Casinos? How clueless can one be? And talk about totally giving up! Do you mean to tell me that Mobile, Alabama has absolutely no businesses or industry that can generate "new" wealth? Have they totally forgotten how to generate "new" wealth? Casinos are a diversion, they add not one whit to a nation's economy. But casinos, and all the myriad state lotteries, do redistribute the wealth by having the poorest in America — those trapped in poverty and desperately seeking any way out of that poverty, and who traditionally buy lottery tickets to escape their poverty — to subsidize the wealthy's tax burden. Meanwhile America's "good" jobs, those that traditionally payed the freight, and our bills, and provided the impetus to excel vanish from our shorelines in yet another misbegotten belief that we have to cut labor costs to compete with the world while the proceeds from those cuts feather the nests of the politically connected and head honchos of the publicly-owned corporations they have been entrusted with; essentially robbing the corporation and it's future business. This is the perfect recipe for a downward death-spiral into economic oblivion!

And largely thanks to this, our roads and infrastructure have become a pathetic joke. Today foreign entities are leasing our nation's toll-roads. Do you mean to tell me that Americans can't? Or is this more a case that they know, so they won't? And that's what really worries me; when Americans are divesting themselves of American holdings — and at fire-sale prices — all is not well in America. When our roads and bridges are crumbling and there are no monies to remedy them, all is not well in America. When our electrical infrastructure is this critically overstretched so that a mere falling limb in Ohio can black out significant portions of the northeast and its economy, then all is not well in America. When our telephony infrastructure is this jack-@$$ backwards so that significant portions of this nation may just not as well even try to get on the Internet and phone service itself is at best "iffy," all is not well in America. And going beyond our infrastructure; when street thugs and gangs infiltrate our military setting up their nefarious territories in nations we invade, all is not well there or in America. When after-election polling, which had previously been pretty much right on the button, miss this dismally over the past three elections casting grave doubts on our elections themselves, then all is not well in America. And I won't even go into our social safety-net that seems so frayed that it can save no one but foreigners.

People, it has only been a short five years since America's Union, our prestige in the world, our military might and our economic dominance had never been stronger! And I personally find it totally inconceivable, unimaginable, unbelievable, implausible and incredible that even the worst of incompetence could possibly lay us this low. And so that only leaves that this could have come by design. And when attempting to uncover that design, once again, we have to look at 'cause and effect' since the "government" ain't talking. So what changed just a short five f***ing years ago? Answer; Bush ... Cheney ... and Cheney's methodical destruction of America — aided and abetted by the GOP and the neocon sycophants who would rather rule in hell than live in heaven! So you tell me now; what needs to change?

lilrascal · Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 650

I agree with you as long as you dont say the marxist democratic party of the United States would be a better alternative.

riverumbbq · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 61

pedagogue wrote: In these "either you're with us, or you're against us" times, if you aren't a rah-rah, polarizing, constitution-overturning and burning, monetary gold-standard, sycophancy to authoritarian leaders — [50 year study says conservatives 'followers' of authoritarian leaders], surrender and hand over all political power to corporations, send anybody but yourself to war, scared of your own shadow, Bible-thumpin' but refuse to read it (Jesus would have classified Republicans in with the Pharisees as manicheists), IQ of 40 and knuckle-dragging Republican, than you're un-American and an "enemy of the state." And I can't possibly think of any misbegotten belief more un-American and unworthy in America than this! Nation comes first; not political affiliation, not tribe, not state or city ... and only after family!

In December of 2000, the State of the Union had never been stronger. Our economy faced a minor blip because of some corporate scandals and the dot com busts that way too much speculating caused. But they could be easily corrected and without the need for any Keynesian economic stimulus. All we had to do was to crack down on corporate corruption and simply allow the pieces to fall where they may with the dot com busts. But Republicans in America, following the precedence of Hitler's Nazis, Stalin's GRU and East Germany's Stasi, are slicing and dicing America into a million tiny, paranoid-schizoid serfdoms administered by the most corrupt rulers to come down the pike since the fall of the U.S.S.R. Truth has become so scarce in America that it might be deemed an endangered species.' Since the first report of Bush's industrial espionage, R&D efforts in America — the one saving grace that has historically served America well by preserving our standard of living while making America competitive throughout the world — has largely ceased and currently serves as the 'poster child' for the word 'moribund.'

Proclaiming themselves to be the stalwart guardians of the nation's till, after ceasing to report the M3 money supply, even foreign investors won't throw their money at America any more. Talk about 'cause and effect!' In December of 2000, the British Pound-Sterling traded against the U.S. dollar at 1 British Pound-Sterling to $1.60; now it trades at 1 British Pound-Sterling to $2.00. In December of 2000, the Euro-dollar traded against the U.S. dollar at 1.2 Euro-dollars to $1.00; now the Euro-dollar trades against the U.S. dollar at about 1 Euro-dollar to $0.80. And in currency ... after currency ... after currency, the same holds true. Therefore it isn't that oil prices are up, it's that our dollar isn't worth much anymore — some stalwart guardians of the nation's till; more like pigs at the trough and foxes watching the hen house! Ah but these same stalwart guardians of the nation's till will argue that the nation's receipts are up. Well ... inflation has a way of doing that; so it's really no big accomplishment. And stealing from the masses through inflation is still stealing, and the most venal type! I suggest that you read up on the 19th century history of Argentina to discover where all this will lead; you see, in the 19th century, Argentina had the highest standard of living in the world.

Proclaiming themselves to be the staunch defenders of the nation and the nation's honor, after 9/11, the whole world stood with us. And Republicans pissed away that good will by launching a war of aggression against Iraq, a nation too weak to any longer threaten anyone. And in the reorganization after 9/11, our intel agencies are now more clueless than ever before; North Korea's long-range missile totally snuck up on them until it was actually on the pad! Meanwhile Homeland In-Security has created millions of folios on ordinary citizens simply going about their ordinary day-to-day business while leaving our borders so wide open that those same ordinary citizens had to take measures themselves to keep from getting stampeded by the invading hoardes from the south. Question; where are those mere 6,000 national guardsmen that Bush promised; Iraq? Not to mention that the F.B.I. can't any longer hold on to their top management or their field agents.

And let's take a look at the sorry state that the nation itself has fallen into; just last week I heard the mayor of Mobile, Alabama claim that his local economy relied upon the return of the casinos after Hurricane Katrina. Say what? Casinos? How clueless can one be? And talk about totally giving up! Do you mean to tell me that Mobile, Alabama has absolutely no businesses or industry that can generate "new" wealth? Have they totally forgotten how to generate "new" wealth? Casinos are a diversion, they add not one whit to a nation's economy. But casinos, and all the myriad state lotteries, do redistribute the wealth by having the poorest in America — those trapped in poverty and desperately seeking any way out of that poverty, and who traditionally buy lottery tickets to escape their poverty — to subsidize the wealthy's tax burden. Meanwhile America's "good" jobs, those that traditionally payed the freight, and our bills, and provided the impetus to excel vanish from our shorelines in yet another misbegotten belief that we have to cut labor costs to compete with the world while the proceeds from those cuts feather the nests of the politically connected and head honchos of the publicly-owned corporations they have been entrusted with; essentially robbing the corporation and it's future business. This is the perfect recipe for a downward death-spiral into economic oblivion!

And largely thanks to this, our roads and infrastructure have become a pathetic joke. Today foreign entities are leasing our nation's toll-roads. Do you mean to tell me that Americans can't? Or is this more a case that they know, so they won't? And that's what really worries me; when Americans are divesting themselves of American holdings — and at fire-sale prices — all is not well in America. When our roads and bridges are crumbling and there are no monies to remedy them, all is not well in America. When our electrical infrastructure is this critically overstretched so that a mere falling limb in Ohio can black out significant portions of the northeast and its economy, then all is not well in America. When our telephony infrastructure is this jack-@$$ backwards so that significant portions of this nation may just not as well even try to get on the Internet and phone service itself is at best "iffy," all is not well in America. And going beyond our infrastructure; when street thugs and gangs infiltrate our military setting up their nefarious territories in nations we invade, all is not well there or in America. When after-election polling, which had previously been pretty much right on the button, miss this dismally over the past three elections casting grave doubts on our elections themselves, then all is not well in America. And I won't even go into our social safety-net that seems so frayed that it can save no one but foreigners.

People, it has only been a short five years since America's Union, our prestige in the world, our military might and our economic dominance had never been stronger! And I personally find it totally inconceivable, unimaginable, unbelievable, implausible and incredible that even the worst of incompetence could possibly lay us this low. And so that only leaves that this could have come by design. And when attempting to uncover that design, once again, we have to look at 'cause and effect' since the "government" ain't talking. So what changed just a short five f***ing years ago? Answer; Bush ... Cheney ... and Cheney's methodical destruction of America — aided and abetted by the GOP and the neocon sycophants who would rather rule in hell than live in heaven! So you tell me now; what needs to change?

One thing about neo-cons, they actually enjoy committing the 7 deadly sins publicly. Point the way to the inferno, I'll help cast them in.

How is it that the young people of the Vietnam era ( who changed history ) have managed to turn into the worst kind of humans in such a short period of time. Now it's become more like Danny DeVito in '' Other Peoples Money ", stating " the one who dies with the most, wins. "
No care about tomorrow, no care about others, no care about infrastructure, no sense of history, no sense of justice, just what can you do for me now.
My prediction : In 50 years from now, when a Chinese author writes the bestseller " The Rise and Fall of the United States of America ", the public will be so completely baffled by how such a show of utter stupidity over a short period of time could engulf a great land with so much promise and disintegrate so quickly, due to a combination of apathy and avarice. Easy to understand, hard to fathom.
My cure : I'm going ouside with my catchers mit, I hear there may be an asteroid the size of Texas on its way................
Sorry, I heard it all wrong, it turned out to be a disgraced, born again, near ex-presidential hemorrhoid, the main character in a future best seller, returning to Texas.

Lumina · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 18282

pedagogue wrote: In these "either you're with us, or you're against us" times, if you aren't a rah-rah, polarizing, constitution-overturning and burning, monetary gold-standard, sycophancy to authoritarian leaders —in hell than live in heaven!

I couldn't track your "logic" after reading this either/or fallacy.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17927 Location: Bliss

Hello stereotyping and ad-hominem. Haven't seen your familiar faces in about....what....5 seconds?

Oh, and maybe people would stop voting for the neocons if someone threw a decent alternative out there. Just a thought.

It seems like Americans are trying the best they can to vote for the party that "s*cks less". It's difficult to fight the bulls**t smokescreen around election time.

riverumbbq · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 61

Renevant wrote: Hello stereotyping and ad-hominem. Haven't seen your familiar faces in about....what....5 seconds?

Oh, and maybe people would stop voting for the neocons if someone threw a decent alternative out there. Just a thought.

It seems like Americans are trying the best they can to vote for the party that "s*cks less". It's difficult to fight the bulls**t smokescreen around election time.

hahaha :-D
c'mon, it says your supposed to have a sense of humour under your handle.
Look, really, Americans aren't trying nearly hard enough if they keep nominating idiots like Bush and aristocrats like Kerry. And no way is it " difficult to fight the bulls**t smokescreen around election time ". Just do what's right and to hell with the rest. You may not win, but you'll sleep better.

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

pedagogue wrote:

People, it has only been a short five years since America's Union, our prestige in the world, our military might and our economic dominance had never been stronger! And I personally find it totally inconceivable, unimaginable, unbelievable, implausible and incredible that even the worst of incompetence could possibly lay us this low. And so that only leaves that this could have come by design. And when attempting to uncover that design, once again, we have to look at 'cause and effect' since the "government" ain't talking. So what changed just a short five f***ing years ago? Answer; Bush ... Cheney ... and Cheney's methodical destruction of America — aided and abetted by the GOP and the neocon sycophants who would rather rule in hell than live in heaven! So you tell me now; what needs to change?

Bush is just continuin policies which were started way before he took office.

Why did Clinton renew the national emergency every year he was in office?

What were the reasons given to extend the national emergency the US was in and is still in?

Rhoades · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1169 Location: Pennsylvania

Michael Savage for president.

john1761 · Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 685

I have to disagree with your statement "Our economy faced a minor blip because of some corporate scandals and the dot com busts that way too much speculating caused. But they could be easily corrected" . If you call millions of americans losing their life savings due to corrupt accounting practices enginerred by Clinton's lax SEC commission all to prop up his facade " Greatest economy in 50 yrs. B.S. just a blip . I afraid to see what you would claim a disaster. If anyone is out to bring down America it is the Clintonist democratic party.

micfranklin · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

That was a pretty long thread. All I have to say, is that it will take another terrorist attack or series of attacks, and more government intervention before America is wiped off the face of the Earth.

Chymical · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject:

America will always be around.
The america you knew has died and will persist not more then 50 years

England Prevails however ;)

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

micfranklin wrote: That was a pretty long thread. All I have to say, is that it will take another terrorist attack or series of attacks, and more government intervention before America is wiped off the face of the Earth.

Or hamburgers floating in the ocean, at least half the country would drown.

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

Chymical wrote: America will always be around.
The america you knew has died and will persist not more then 50 years

England Prevails however ;)

I only have one thing to say to that...

WOOT CANADA!!!

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10231

pedagogue wrote: In these "either you're with us, or you're against us" times, if you aren't a rah-rah, polarizing, constitution-overturning and burning, monetary gold-standard, sycophancy to authoritarian leaders — [50 year study says conservatives 'followers' of authoritarian leaders], surrender and hand over all political power to corporations, send anybody but yourself to war, scared of your own shadow, Bible-thumpin' but refuse to read it (Jesus would have classified Republicans in with the Pharisees as manicheists), IQ of 40 and knuckle-dragging Republican, than you're un-American and an "enemy of the state." Oh come on now... the most used URL for partisan politics since McCarthism and 50 words used to describe a buck-toothed ignorant conservative and all the opposition to that stupidity gets is "un"American" and "enemy of the state"?

How about, commie, pinko socialist, Hanoi Jane lovin', wussy coward, flip-flopin', big government, save a gay whale for jesus, fetus killing, elitist, know it all, hippy marajuana smoking pachoulli stank liberal marxist lefty...

Just off the top of my head of course. This would show that at least your not partisan when it comes to labels. :wink:

pedagogue wrote: So you tell me now; what needs to change?

A new platform other than "against Bush".

lilrascal · Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 650

spearsy23 wrote: Chymical wrote: America will always be around.
The america you knew has died and will persist not more then 50 years

England Prevails however ;)

I only have one thing to say to that...

WOOT CANADA!!!

In 2 Generations both Canada and Britain will be Iranan Sattelite states. A fate worse then ours I would say.

Chymical · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject:

yes Multicultural Britain with only 9% muslim inhabitants and Canada with an awe-inspiring and diahorrea inducing .6% will soon be islamic states. The wasps, jews and heathens (89 and 99.4% respectivly) will stand by and watch their country turn shariah style...

yes, I can see it now, deep in the vales of deepest scotland, a mosque of epic proportions is being contructed, wars around london, allowing the cockney mujahaddin army to consolidate their grip on the east and far south and push the white liberal polkadot pant wearing liberal back into oxfordshire. Then Iran will supply the new republic of Londonistan their highly sophisticaped s.h.i.t.e rocket with a range of 90feet to expand their new evil empire even further.

yeeep I can see it now. Bye Bye To the English people, Bye Bye to our Itinerent Canadian and America Offspring. You Didn't breed enough, and you weren't religiously violent enough. Sorry! Game Over Dudes!

:roll:

Wyatt Earp · Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 358

pedagogue wrote:

In December of 2000, the State of the Union had never been stronger. Our economy faced a minor blip because of some corporate scandals and the dot com busts that way too much speculating caused. But they could be easily corrected and without the need for any Keynesian economic stimulus. All we had to do was to down on corporate corruption ?

If you were a manager in a manufacturing plant you knew the economy was crashing in September 0f 2000. The bubble was bursting, in plastics, die cast, tool and die, and textiles.
The late 80's and 90's were great years business wise, but that had nothing to do with who ever was in charge of the white house. A monkey could of been president then it would not have mattered and unfortunately now we do have a monkey in the white house.