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Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

TacticalSniper wrote: Yeah, only difference is, Britain did not attack Hitler.

So thinking of Israel and its fight with Lebanon... Churchill's saying comes to my head:

"We shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Couldn't say better. That's exactly what we're gonna do.

Tactical sniper, I thought you had half a brain when you first came on this forum. but obviously not. The question is usually is the cup half full or half empty? In your case definitely the latter.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:

Really? In your case it is quite the same, only difference is that the other missing half is filled with Arab propaganda, apparently. And I hear about us using too much force from a Brit? Nation that always used too much force? Give me a break. That's the best you could give? "Half empty"? Keep hiding behind Socrates.

Arcenius I · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:

Plato & Socrates wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Yeah, only difference is, Britain did not attack Hitler.

So thinking of Israel and its fight with Lebanon... Churchill's saying comes to my head:

"We shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Couldn't say better. That's exactly what we're gonna do.

Tactical sniper, I thought you had half a brain when you first came on this forum. but obviously not. The question is usually is the cup half full or half empty? In your case definitely the latter.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is the latter, indeed. He and his skippy friend have an unusual need to call every crisis the ME has ever been in a WAR. Hahaha

That quote should go like this:

"We shall fight all Muslims on seas and oceans, until they drop a bomb on our ships. We shall fight with growing confidence while giving Islamo-fascists more reasons to destroy us and hate us. We shall fight in the fields and streets, err.....that can't be right. We destroyed those."

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

TacticalSniper wrote: Really? In your case it is quite the same, only difference is that the other missing half is filled with Arab propaganda, apparently. And I hear about us using too much force from a Brit? Nation that always used too much force? Give me a break. That's the best you could give? "Half empty"? Keep hiding behind Socrates.

99% of Brits on here never deny our past and our nations past attrocities. We Brits will famously call "a spade a spade" I'm completly comfortable who I am and what my people are and the past we have. But you Israeli Jews and the diaspora are a completly different breed. You guys deny the most blatantly obvious crimes your government commits. Why? I dont know. But there is no worse sight and trait in a man, than that of one who lies to himself.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

What crimes are you talking about? We've never had rest from attacks for decades. What, you mad because Israel responds to attacks? Join Hassan Nasrallah. He didn't expect we'd respond either.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

TacticalSniper wrote: What crimes are you talking about? We've never had rest from attacks for decades. What, you mad because Israel responds to attacks? Join Hassan Nasrallah. He didn't expect we'd respond either.

If you are unaware of any Israeli war crimes and some of the crimes you commit in the name of occupation, then there not much I can do for you. For a very sheltered life you must lead.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

Obviously, you are much more objective than I am. So maybe you will please enlighten me, of some of the war crimes?

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

TacticalSniper wrote: Obviously, you are much more objective than I am. So maybe you will please enlighten me, of some of the war crimes?

Why bother, you'll only lie to yourself and deny them.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject:

Really? Try me.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

TacticalSniper wrote: Really? Try me.

No thanks.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

Well, be sure, that we, the Israelis, in the future will be "comfortable who I am and what my people are and the past we have".

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

TacticalSniper wrote: Well, be sure, that we, the Israelis, in the future will be "comfortable who I am and what my people are and the past we have".

You paranoid f**ks? I doubt it. You want to be loved at all costs. When we Brits dont really care if people like us or not. Thats confidence.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject:

We do? Who exactly do we care about? We certainly don't care if you Brits like us or not.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

We do care? Man and all those times of being yelled at and berated by you and everyone else on your side of the aisle, about all the resolutions, treaties, international condemnation, and world opinion we ignore and flagrantly act against it. Glad to know it's all not true! Thanks Plato!

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 12677 Location: Bay Area, CA

Arcenius I wrote: I hope people realize this:

Israel's attacks on civillian infrastructure, if done far enough as to prevent any movement within Lebanon, will eventually cause the two soldiers to be slaughtered to death, if Hezabollah is not able to move them.

If Israel wants to see its soldiers alive again, it better be smart enough to realize that it needs to stop bombing airports, water plants, electric plants and other major buildings which have nothing to do with Hezbollah. In short, Israel is artficially setting a deadline as to how far longer the two soldiers get to live.

This happenned back in 2000...(Or was it 2004...I forget)

The soldiers are already dead. The only thing you can do is try to make sure it doesn't happen again...which kind of goes against the current heavy military actions. I honestly just don't get it...Syrian forces just left...and suddenly Israel wants everything to be peachy?

TacticalSniper · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:36 am Post subject:

Really? So Israeli military action will bring more abductions? Well, that's okay. In 2001 we got three soldier bodies kidnapped, without any reason. So no reason what we do we get killed. So I say to respond to these actions.

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 12677 Location: Bay Area, CA

TacticalSniper wrote: Really? So Israeli military action will bring more abductions? Well, that's okay. In 2001 we got three soldier bodies kidnapped, without any reason. So no reason what we do we get killed. So I say to respond to these actions.

I'm not debating the response, I'm debating the level of the response. Had they stuck to Southern Lebanon...I'd understand. However, they're bombing and attacking virtually every part of the country which makes me wonder how they actually think the Lebanese Military could respond now anyways...

TacticalSniper · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject:

Kane wrote: I'm not debating the response, I'm debating the level of the response. Had they stuck to Southern Lebanon...I'd understand. However, they're bombing and attacking virtually every part of the country which makes me wonder how they actually think the Lebanese Military could respond now anyways...

What sources have you been using? Please prove Israel attacked entire Lebanon. Because I've seen maps from the IDF and the attacked areas are SL, areas around Tripoli and Beirut, and some Eastern to Beirut.

previsionary · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 86 Location: CHI-TOWN

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What sources have you been using? Please prove Israel attacked entire Lebanon. Because I've seen maps from the IDF and the attacked areas are SL, areas around Tripoli and Beirut, and some Eastern to Beirut.

They struck Sur all the way to Tripoli... what the f**k are you on that is all of Lebanon. The airport is completely torn isn't that a strike on Lebanonas a whole??? I think it very well is. How are innocent civilians and/or tourists going to leave the country now??? They'll go through Syria... but i thought syria is considered a terrorist based country. So now your putting the entire Lebanese civilians in even more jeopardy. Not just by dropping bombs on them but also when they have to evacuate across the Syrian border if possible because all paths that lead there are blocked unless you take the long treacherous routes through the mountains.

Go over those maps again and try to notice that Lebanon isn't as big as you think.

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1647 Location: UK / Hungary

Plato & Socrates wrote:
MoscowMatt their is no way you are British, talking the utter rubbish you do. What has our history in Ireland taught you?
Do you remember the Brighton bombing? Did the Republic of Ireland get bombed? We consistently told the American's that from a British government perspective, the I.R.A was a terrorist group. Day after day, week after week, year after bloody year, in the bars of Boston and New York, I.R.A fund-raising was going on.

Those collections were being used to fund I.R.A terrorist activities on the British mainland. These Bombs killed and maimed many of our fellow citizens as you fully well know. It disrupted everyday life especially the transport. But did we go on a killing spree, even though we had the capacity to do so?

"Any nation being attacked does'nt always respond with all it's might" People like you talk about using overwhelming force because you personally are not on the receiving end. If we Brits were as dumb as the Israeli's, we would be occupying the Republic of Ireland today.

With the logic applied by Israel, The U.K would have been within her rights to bomb the Irish communities in New York and Boston because for decades we requested the U.S government to stop I.R.A fund raising taking place on their soil. Who did'nt use to feel sick watching Gerry Adams and Martin Mc-Guiness, swanning around raising funds to kill my fellow citizens.
Hey, why stop at Boston and New York, why not the whole of the USA infrastucture?

The I.R.A had political offices in the Republic of Ireland whilst they bombed us and assassinated some of our politicians. Did we bomb the Rep of Ireland infrastructure to the dark ages?

Not once did we make the I.R.A and the American fund raising issue seriously come between the British government and Americans. Neither did we try to obliterate the Rep of Ireland government for allowing financial aid to freely flow without any attempt to stop it, going to the I.R.A, even though we continually asked. So please don't give me the "you've never faced what we're facing tripe"

Overwhelming force. :lol: listen to yourself. How people on this forum can come on here and proclaim that the state of Lebanon declared war on Israel, is beyond me. :shock: Quite frankly i'm lost for words and that's rare.

The only one talking b******'s round here is you mate. What the hell has my nattionality got to do with anything? And yes I am British so you know where you can shove that thought.

In-case you haven't noticed regarding your comments about Ireland. The Israelies have tried the soft approach too. Withdrawals etc. And guess what!! That's right everytime they have suffered more attacks!

Oh yes Ireland got solved all right. All those murdering terrorists let out!! Bravo mate. Perhaps you might like to explain to the families of the dead why you think that is so great?

You pro palestinian lot and wherever bleat on about the civilains killed without realising that it's the militants fault for operating amongst them. They do it delibratley knowing that if they die some civilains will die to and the resulting propaganda will easily suck in muppets like yourself!!

As for this current conflict. Care to tell me what the catalyst for it was? Who started it!!! OOooo yeah Palestnians those champions of wanting peace!! :lol: :lol: