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[Brucyboy26]

Johannes wrote: Brucyboy26 wrote: Hitler was voted into office, and in order to prevent other Hitler's, the United States would have to meddle in the elections of other nations. That is a very grey area for me.

We meddled in Iraq's elections by making sure that all of the extremist groups were too busy fighting us instead of gathering votes.

Which also falls into my "grey area".

[metalan1]

AHHH war mongering at its finest. Nice piece of propaganda here.

[TwinkieDP]

Really, how does one go about CONFIRMING the manufacturing origin of a missile? or a Bomb?

[Kenna]

John Galt wrote:

Israel: Iran Aided Hezbollah Ship Attack

By MATT MOORE
Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) -- A missile fired by Hezbollah, not an unmanned drone laden with explosives, damaged an Israeli warship off Lebanon, the army said Saturday. Elite Iranian troops helped fire the missile, a senior Israeli intelligence official said.

One sailor was killed and three were missing.

The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.

The official added that the troops involved in firing the missile are from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, an elite corps of more than 200,000 fighters that is independent of the regular armed forces and controlled directly by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.



Initial information indicated the guerrillas had used a drone for the first time to attack Israeli forces. But the army's investigation showed that Hezbollah had fired an Iranian-made missile at the vessel from the shores of Lebanon, said Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan.

"We can confirm that it was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," Nehushtan said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Another Hezbollah missile also hit and sank a nearby merchant ship at around the same time, Nehushtan said. He said that ship apparently was Egyptian, but had no other information.

Nehushtan said the body of one of the four Israeli soldiers missing in the attack was found aboard the damaged warship. Other Israeli military officials said two bodies had been found.

The Israeli vessel, a Saar 5-class missile ship named the "Spear," was heading to its home port in Israel on Saturday, the army said.

A military official said the ship is one of the most technologically advanced in the Israeli fleet, boasting an array of Harpoon and Gabriel missiles, along with a system for electronically jamming attacking missiles and other threats.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the missile detection and deflection system was not operating, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack.

The Israeli intelligence official said Hezbollah also has Iranian-made drones, and warned that they are more accurate than missiles.

Israel launched an offensive after Hezbollah guerrillas crossed the Israel-Lebanon border on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel has bombarded Lebanon's airport and main roads in the most intensive offensive against the country in 24 years, while Hezbollah has launched hundreds of rockets into Israel.

The intense fighting has sent shock waves through a region already traumatized by Israel's battle against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/ISRAEL_ATTACKED_SHIP?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-15-07-28-21


The reporter who wrote the story that the link leads to, also reported in 2003 that 150-250 Al-Qaida operatives were hiding out in Lebanon.

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/09/03/story354434299.asp

And that was never confirmed either!

And if we are looking for culprits, it could be just as likely that Mossad agents helped fire the missile, (that wasn't picked up by the ships highly sophisticated equipment because it was turned off???), as per their track record of using False flag operations.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2550513.stm
http://www.mediamonitors.net/gillespie1.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1032

It seems that the West are desperate to find Iranian and Syrian involvement, just like they alleged was taking place in Iraq. And the question must be, how far would we go? And if our governments seem hesitant, how far would Mossad go to induce us?
"By way of deception shall you conquer".?

[Gnostic]

Kenna wrote: John Galt wrote:

Israel: Iran Aided Hezbollah Ship Attack

By MATT MOORE
Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) -- A missile fired by Hezbollah, not an unmanned drone laden with explosives, damaged an Israeli warship off Lebanon, the army said Saturday. Elite Iranian troops helped fire the missile, a senior Israeli intelligence official said.

One sailor was killed and three were missing.

The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.

The official added that the troops involved in firing the missile are from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, an elite corps of more than 200,000 fighters that is independent of the regular armed forces and controlled directly by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.



Initial information indicated the guerrillas had used a drone for the first time to attack Israeli forces. But the army's investigation showed that Hezbollah had fired an Iranian-made missile at the vessel from the shores of Lebanon, said Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan.

"We can confirm that it was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," Nehushtan said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Another Hezbollah missile also hit and sank a nearby merchant ship at around the same time, Nehushtan said. He said that ship apparently was Egyptian, but had no other information.

Nehushtan said the body of one of the four Israeli soldiers missing in the attack was found aboard the damaged warship. Other Israeli military officials said two bodies had been found.

The Israeli vessel, a Saar 5-class missile ship named the "Spear," was heading to its home port in Israel on Saturday, the army said.

A military official said the ship is one of the most technologically advanced in the Israeli fleet, boasting an array of Harpoon and Gabriel missiles, along with a system for electronically jamming attacking missiles and other threats.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the missile detection and deflection system was not operating, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack.

The Israeli intelligence official said Hezbollah also has Iranian-made drones, and warned that they are more accurate than missiles.

Israel launched an offensive after Hezbollah guerrillas crossed the Israel-Lebanon border on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel has bombarded Lebanon's airport and main roads in the most intensive offensive against the country in 24 years, while Hezbollah has launched hundreds of rockets into Israel.

The intense fighting has sent shock waves through a region already traumatized by Israel's battle against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/ISRAEL_ATTACKED_SHIP?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-15-07-28-21


The reporter who wrote the story that the link leads to, also reported in 2003 that 150-250 Al-Qaida operatives were hiding out in Lebanon.

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/09/03/story354434299.asp

And that was never confirmed either!

And if we are looking for culprits, it could be just as likely that Mossad agents helped fire the missile, (that wasn't picked up by the ships highly sophisticated equipment because it was turned off???), as per their track record of using False flag operations.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2550513.stm
http://www.mediamonitors.net/gillespie1.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1032

It seems that the West are desperate to find Iranian and Syrian involvement, just like they alleged was taking place in Iraq. And the question must be, how far would we go? And if our governments seem hesitant, how far would Mossad go to induce us?
"By way of deception shall you conquer".?

So what even if Hezbollah is being armed by Iran. Israel is armed to the teeth by DC. Israel has a huge stockpile of WMD that it still refuses to even admit to.

Yawn...

[Mikz]

With respect to all regular folks on the streets on Israel and USA… With respect to the open minded people that does not want blood on their hands.

Blind is He, who can not see that Israel’s state and United States of America are the Nazis of the New World.

[SilveryMinnow]

That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane -
Lenny Burnside is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -
world serves its own needs, don't misserve your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,
down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for
hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies
breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered
crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,
common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its
own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the
reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright
light, feeling pretty psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn,
return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning,
blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle,
light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mount St. Edelite.
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic,
slam, but neck, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine...

(Now just gotta wait for snake breath to show up.)

[jeechoscopy]

Future is telling a lie... Isreal isn't....

[Harbinger]

Israel needs to quite pucy-footing around lobbing bombs and missiles over the fence at the Palestinians. It's time to invade and destroy the bastards completely.

[Gnostic]

Harbinger wrote: Israel needs to quite pucy-footing around lobbing bombs and missiles over the fence at the Palestinians. It's time to invade and destroy the bastards completely.

Yea! Isreal has all that WMD and nuclear crap they refuse to own up to. They could just drop a small nuke on Lebanon and Gaza and be done with it, right?

[Donkeykick]

Johannes wrote: Riiiight, as we're losing a war in Iraq (politically mind you). Bush may be dumb, but he's not mentally retarded. Attacking Iran is suicide if we keep the bulk of our military in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Exactly why you're not going to see him do this--especially so close to election time.

Lets face it. If we get into a skirmish with Iran more troop involvement will be necessary. I do believe that you will see something happen after the election this Fall though.

[netanyau]

I believe that when Iran and Syria planned this whole thing they did not except Israel to respond like these against them and the truth is the people of Lebanon are not happy with Hezbolla

[No2wookie]

Muslims hate Jews more than anyone hates anyone else. There's just as much reason for it to be a 100% legitimate report as there is for anyone to deny it.

[Mikz]

Harbinger wrote: Israel needs to quite pucy-footing around lobbing bombs and missiles over the fence at the Palestinians. It's time to invade and destroy the bastards completely.


I do understand that you think that way because you never saw the war with own eyes. The action that you are talking about is called genocide. It is defined as: “Deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group”, and is abandon by any moral person on this planet. With your statement Harbinger you just proved my point that some people openly worship the fascism these days.

[kruczek]

http://israelilebaneseconflict.blog.com/

[minimax]

It tends to be forgotten that the Iranian leadership is likely to be calculating America's attitude (axis of evil) towards it in its most recent actions and signals. Think about it this way...

1. what is one of the most effective ways of ensuring military restraint and sovereign respect from the US?
Asw: To have nuke capabilities. The US has no choice but to respect the sovereignty of a nuclear-armed nation (unlike Iraq). So, given that assumption, it might be easier to look at the US-Iran issue in a more objective way rather than the emotive appeals that tends to colour the issue.

By this calculation it is not surprising why Iran has nuke aspirations. The US is definitely a hostile foreign power in the eyes of the Iranians. All the fiery speeches made by Ahmadinejad on the international platform regarding the US and Israel can be understood in the context of an almost cornered beast trying to display some degree of power and resistance to the hunter.

It is also worth noting that in terms of international relations theory - in particular neo-realism - Iran is following an understandable path as shown in the theory regarding the pursuit of relative power. The regime's only hope of survival is to amass WMDs with the view of deterring an American attack on the country.

I think this approach gives a better understanding of the current conflict than many of the other interpretations. Furthermore, it provides an explanation for Iran's behaviour rather than just condemnation.

[Gnostic]

Mikz wrote: With respect to all regular folks on the streets on Israel and USA… With respect to the open minded people that does not want blood on their hands.

Blind is He, who can not see that Israel’s state and United States of America are the Nazis of the New World.

Well said, unfortunately.

[HaHA]

There is no proof that the iranians helped hezbolla.