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[Optimist Slime]

You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?

[Silkheat]

Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governance. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abortionist, and Islam. While they perceive their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense anger and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the Muslims. Hypocrisy and idiocy...

[dtwizzy2k5]

Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

Umm... Christianity does not advocate hate towards anything. It is actually the exact opposite: a religion of love. Im not sure what bible you have read (satanic bible maybe?) but there is nothing in christianity that preaches hatred. And since when has Christianity advcocated this "mass murder of muslims" you speak of, because i have no clue what youre talking abuot there (although its probably some reference to the iraq war which has nothing to do with christianity...)

[TNBiologist]

Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

I don't think Christians are anymore naive than any other group of people. Take any group and there will alsways be a number of those who lack either the mental capasity or the backbone not to follow any nutjob (insert favorite Televangelist here). As for Christains supporting or even being compliant about teh so called mass murder of muslims. There are christian groups calling for peaceful resolutions to wars in the Middle East and some even putting their lives in danger to help those effected by the war.

http://mideastchristians.virtualactivism.net/
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/world/12/15jackson.html

[Silkheat]

dtwizzy2k5 wrote:

Umm... Christianity does not advocate hate towards anything. It is actually the exact opposite: a religion of love. Im not sure what bible you have read (satanic bible maybe?) but there is nothing in christianity that preaches hatred. And since when has Christianity advcocated this "mass murder of muslims" you speak of, because i have no clue what youre talking abuot there (although its probably some reference to the iraq war which has nothing to do with christianity...)

Religions of love is a catch phrase for Christianity. While in theory I agree with you, in practice it is completely opposite. It is a very intolerant religion. History and current events support this.

The blind obedience conservative christians display for bush while thousands of innocent Iraq's are killed and prisoners are tortured is an evident display of christianity in action.

[Darth Tiberius]

dtwizzy2k5 wrote: Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

Umm... Christianity does not advocate hate towards anything. It is actually the exact opposite: a religion of love. Im not sure what bible you have read (satanic bible maybe?) but there is nothing in christianity that preaches hatred. And since when has Christianity advcocated this "mass murder of muslims" you speak of, because i have no clue what youre talking abuot there (although its probably some reference to the iraq war which has nothing to do with christianity...)

It teaches submission and all the properties of the canaille. That and hate but often this hate is done behind closed doors or masked.

[Gilbert1908]

Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

I can state without any reservation the position of a very large majority of Christians.

ALL PEOPLE should have equal protection under the law. If a state wants to create a thing called a civil contract or civil union which provides the very same legal rights to ANY couple I have NO issue with it.

Marriage was originally a RELIGIOUS RITE (NOT RIGHT) and governments adopted it because of the obvious fincncial and social benefits to the state. Almost NO ONE wants to deny people equal protection under the law, but in doing so do not supplant the RELIGIOUS RITE known as marriage with a legal right.

[dtwizzy2k5]

Silkheat wrote: Religions of love is a catch phrase for Christianity. While in theory I agree with you, in practice it is completely opposite. It is a very intolerant religion. History and current events support this.


It is not an intolerant religion at all. Some people just choose to practice Christianity in an intolerant way. Just because some people call themselves christians and act in a hateful way does not mean that Christianity is a hateful and intolerant religion. The only thing that history and current events supports is that there have and still exists people who hate and are intolerant, no matter what their religion (even atheists). If you actually read Christ's teachings and show me where it advocates hate i will submit and you have won this argument.

Quote: The blind obedience conservative christians display for bush while thousands of innocent Iraq's are killed and prisoners are tortured is an evident display of christianity in action.

No. It is an evident display of idiots who happen to be christians in action. The very few christians who support bush (let alone the very few people who support bush) do not represent the loving message that christianity truly represents.

[feederband]

Well they do actually believe in a can do nothing God...So I say yes they can probably be easily convinced in almost anything..IMO

[John]

feederband wrote: Well they do actually believe in a can do nothing God...So I say yes they can probably be easily convinced in almost anything..IMO


Man feederband, I guess if you're gonna go down, you might as well go down hard, eh?

[feederband]

John wrote: feederband wrote: Well they do actually believe in a can do nothing God...So I say yes they can probably be easily convinced in almost anything..IMO


Man feederband, I guess if you're gonna go down, you might as well go down hard, eh?

Call it as I see it Man...

[Gilbert1908]

feederband wrote: Well they do actually believe in a can do nothing God...So I say yes they can probably be easily convinced in almost anything..IMO

He who will believe in nothing can believe ANYTHING.

[feederband]

Gilbert1908 wrote: feederband wrote: Well they do actually believe in a can do nothing God...So I say yes they can probably be easily convinced in almost anything..IMO

He who will believe in nothing can believe ANYTHING.

True anything that is REAL...

[toddytodd]

Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?

Anyone can be scammed, religious or not. All a scammer needs to be is charismatic and find people to follow them (often times these people have little to no friends, family (lonely), little to no self esteem, (some even have lower than average mental capabilities).
But, one has to ask them self, "Does this woman, with pink poofy hair, wearing tons of make-up, with probably $10,000 of jewelery on and who makes Anna Nicole look sane really need my $10 to feed starving children?", or "Can this guy named Bubba really heal all these people and not be in it for the money?"

[toddytodd]

Silkheat wrote: dtwizzy2k5 wrote:

Umm... Christianity does not advocate hate towards anything. It is actually the exact opposite: a religion of love. Im not sure what bible you have read (satanic bible maybe?) but there is nothing in christianity that preaches hatred. And since when has Christianity advcocated this "mass murder of muslims" you speak of, because i have no clue what youre talking abuot there (although its probably some reference to the iraq war which has nothing to do with christianity...)

Religions of love is a catch phrase for Christianity. While in theory I agree with you, in practice it is completely opposite. It is a very intolerant religion. History and current events support this.

The blind obedience conservative christians display for bush while thousands of innocent Iraq's are killed and prisoners are tortured is an evident display of christianity in action.
Quote: While in theory I agree with you, in practice it is completely opposite. It is a very intolerant religion. History and current events support this. Just goes to show that people can screw anything up - even things that might have the best of intentions

[toddytodd]

Gilbert1908 wrote: Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

I can state without any reservation the position of a very large majority of Christians.

ALL PEOPLE should have equal protection under the law. If a state wants to create a thing called a civil contract or civil union which provides the very same legal rights to ANY couple I have NO issue with it.

Marriage was originally a RELIGIOUS RITE (NOT RIGHT) and governments adopted it because of the obvious fincncial and social benefits to the state. Almost NO ONE wants to deny people equal protection under the law, but in doing so do not supplant the RELIGIOUS RITE known as marriage with a legal right.

While I agree with Gilbert, in actuality, the 'defense of marriage' routine is force fed by the politically religious people in power and probably doesn't speak for the more modern Christian. However, there are still many, many hard-core Christians that believe marriage, as celebrated in America, is God's gift and shouldn't be tampered with.

[Gilbert1908]

toddytodd wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

I can state without any reservation the position of a very large majority of Christians.

ALL PEOPLE should have equal protection under the law. If a state wants to create a thing called a civil contract or civil union which provides the very same legal rights to ANY couple I have NO issue with it.

Marriage was originally a RELIGIOUS RITE (NOT RIGHT) and governments adopted it because of the obvious fincncial and social benefits to the state. Almost NO ONE wants to deny people equal protection under the law, but in doing so do not supplant the RELIGIOUS RITE known as marriage with a legal right.

While I agree with Gilbert, in actuality, the 'defense of marriage' routine is force fed by the politically religious people in power and probably doesn't speak for the more modern Christian. However, there are still many, many hard-core Christians that believe marriage, as celebrated in America, is God's gift and shouldn't be tampered with.

Religious marriage has NOTHING to do with the state or civil unions. As a Catholic I have NO need or DESIRE to have my marriage recognized by the state of MA, as a human being we all deserve equal protection under the secular law. I have NO objection with ANYONE who seeks equal rights and protection and indeed have worked to help attain such things for people.

As with many things if non religious people would simply respect the meaning of religious institutions they would have allies in the effort to attain what actually matters to THEM.

I simple do not see marriage as a secular institution.

[Askim]

In response to the name of the thread.

OMG!! :rotf: Are they ever!!! :rotf:

[toddytodd]

Gilbert1908 wrote: toddytodd wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

I can state without any reservation the position of a very large majority of Christians.

ALL PEOPLE should have equal protection under the law. If a state wants to create a thing called a civil contract or civil union which provides the very same legal rights to ANY couple I have NO issue with it.

Marriage was originally a RELIGIOUS RITE (NOT RIGHT) and governments adopted it because of the obvious fincncial and social benefits to the state. Almost NO ONE wants to deny people equal protection under the law, but in doing so do not supplant the RELIGIOUS RITE known as marriage with a legal right.

While I agree with Gilbert, in actuality, the 'defense of marriage' routine is force fed by the politically religious people in power and probably doesn't speak for the more modern Christian. However, there are still many, many hard-core Christians that believe marriage, as celebrated in America, is God's gift and shouldn't be tampered with.

Religious marriage has NOTHING to do with the state or civil unions. As a Catholic I have NO need or DESIRE to have my marriage recognized by the state of MA, as a human being we all deserve equal protection under the secular law. I have NO objection with ANYONE who seeks equal rights and protection and indeed have worked to help attain such things for people.

As with many things if non religious people would simply respect the meaning of religious institutions they would have allies in the effort to attain what actually matters to THEM.

I simple do not see marriage as a secular institution.
Quote: Religious marriage has NOTHING to do with the state... It shouldn't, but it does
Quote: I have NO objection with ANYONE who seeks equal rights and protection and indeed have worked to help attain such things for people. And I have never stated otherwise - see here: Quote: ...probably doesn't speak for the more modern Christian.
Quote: As with many things if non religious people would simply respect the meaning of religious institutions they would have allies in the effort to attain what actually matters to THEM. That would have been easy if the gov't hadn't taken a legal stance (making it marriage legal) on a religious institution. Now they are in a 'pickle' and have no 'save face' way to get out of it
Quote: I simpl{y}e do not see marriage as a secular institution. So we revisit the 'Christmas' thing again. You are welcome to this point of view, but where in the Christian Bible does it outline exactly what a marriage is and how to preform the ceremony? Are marriages of a two people of a non-God believing religion non-qualifying to your definition of marriage? No need to answer, as I don't expect one anymore.

[Gilbert1908]

toddytodd wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: toddytodd wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: Silkheat wrote: Optimist Slime wrote: You know,m the more I watch Televangelists, the more I have come to the conclusion that many religious people are really naive and easily scammed. I see all this religious crap they sell, and all the manipulation done by these televangelist scum to get moire money, and ity makes me wonder if some of the religious people out there haven't had frontal labotomies. What do you think?


Of course; the very nature of most religions is obedience and conformity. Christianity for the most part is just a show that makes people feel that they are better than others. If you see part of this control, what makes it work, is focusing hatred on to certain groups. This is a common theme in governence. Christians focus their hatred on homosexuals, abotionist, and Islam. While they percieve their leaders as infallible. Christianity has been the biggest tool of evil this world has ever scene.

Don't believe me? Look at all the intense agner and hatred at gay marriage, and then compare that at the complete compliance toward mass murder of the muslims. Hypocricy and idiocy...

I can state without any reservation the position of a very large majority of Christians.

ALL PEOPLE should have equal protection under the law. If a state wants to create a thing called a civil contract or civil union which provides the very same legal rights to ANY couple I have NO issue with it.

Marriage was originally a RELIGIOUS RITE (NOT RIGHT) and governments adopted it because of the obvious fincncial and social benefits to the state. Almost NO ONE wants to deny people equal protection under the law, but in doing so do not supplant the RELIGIOUS RITE known as marriage with a legal right.

While I agree with Gilbert, in actuality, the 'defense of marriage' routine is force fed by the politically religious people in power and probably doesn't speak for the more modern Christian. However, there are still many, many hard-core Christians that believe marriage, as celebrated in America, is God's gift and shouldn't be tampered with.

Religious marriage has NOTHING to do with the state or civil unions. As a Catholic I have NO need or DESIRE to have my marriage recognized by the state of MA, as a human being we all deserve equal protection under the secular law. I have NO objection with ANYONE who seeks equal rights and protection and indeed have worked to help attain such things for people.

As with many things if non religious people would simply respect the meaning of religious institutions they would have allies in the effort to attain what actually matters to THEM.

I simple do not see marriage as a secular institution.
Quote: Religious marriage has NOTHING to do with the state... It shouldn't, but it does
Quote: I have NO objection with ANYONE who seeks equal rights and protection and indeed have worked to help attain such things for people. And I have never stated otherwise - see here: Quote: ...probably doesn't speak for the more modern Christian.
Quote: As with many things if non religious people would simply respect the meaning of religious institutions they would have allies in the effort to attain what actually matters to THEM. That would have been easy if the gov't hadn't taken a legal stance (making it marriage legal) on a religious institution. Now they are in a 'pickle' and have no 'save face' way to get out of it
Quote: I simpl{y}e do not see marriage as a secular institution. So we revisit the 'Christmas' thing again. You are welcome to this point of view, but where in the Christian Bible does it outline exactly what a marriage is and how to preform the ceremony? Are marriages of a two people of a non-God believing religion non-qualifying to your definition of marriage? No need to answer, as I don't expect one anymore.

The marriage I am talking about when I express my personal opinions about RELIGIOUS marriage, is a sacrament of my faith. As such it HAS NOTHING at all to do with the secular or legal world. The fact the State of MA chooses to recognize that event (and of course charge me a fee to gain legal status) IS a secular and legal matter.

My point is that I do not nor could I see ANY secular "marriage" as similar to that of a RELIGIOUS marriage since they are not the same in the least.

This is a theological NOT a legal question. Presently the Anglican Church in the US is split nearly in half on this question of same sex marriage and no doubt it will have a long lasting effect, but that is up to the Anglicans to work out NOT the state of MA.


"The modern world is not evil;in some ways the modern world is far too good. It is full of wild and wasted virtues. When a religious scheme is shattered, it is not merely the vices that are let loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. The modern world is full of old Christian virtues gone mad.The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth but their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I'm sorry to say) is often untruthful." Chesterton