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TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:42 am Post subject: Another peace deal

Well, we thought going out of Lebanon would bring peace - that's what the Lebanese wanted. International community supported us. And here is what we get:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274258,00.html

It is time to go out into Lebanon and finally destroy this country.

Peregrinus · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 9

It is indeed an act of war. Israel should not hold back like they have done for so long.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:51 am Post subject:

Duchifas, that's true. I'm wondering if you're an Orthodox Jew, as only "Duchifas" I know is IDF's infantry unit "Duhifat" - which would be pronounced "Duchifas" by an Ultra-Orthodox Jews.

The battle on Israeli North still continues. IAF bombed several bridges and several transformers on Lebanese power plant. IDF forces entered Lebanon.

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

Ye Duchifas you are right.Israel should have stayed in Lebanon.That would have prevented Hezbollah getting stronger.Applying the same logic , do you think that Israel should invade Iran as well?

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

TacticalSniper wrote: Duchifas, that's true. I'm wondering if you're an Orthodox Jew

I try to be.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

theshield wrote: Ye Duchifas you are right.Israel should have stayed in Lebanon.That would have prevented Hezbollah getting stronger.

That's certainly true. And the Palestinian terror war following Lebanon withdrawal would probably have been much less painful.

Quote: Applying the same logic , do you think that Israel should invade Iran as well?

Invade is an improper word, considering that Iran is pretty far from Israel, unlike Lebanon.

So, I think Israel should wait until Iran nukes Haifa, and then "we will know how to respond in the time and place of our choosing." :roll:

In all honesty, I don't really know what to do about Iran. Mostly, because I don't know enough about the situation to make a rational appraisal. I don't think anyone on this forum does. There is too much unknown, too much misinformation. So I try to reserve judgment on that issue.

But I know this. Iran situation is in no way whatsoever comparable to Israel's conflict with Hezbollah and Palestinians. The latter two are at Israel's borders and Israel has plenty capability to deal effectively with them. The desire to do so has been lacking, unfortunately, among Israel's elected officials. In fact, quite the opposite. With soem exceptions, Israel's policies since 1993 have been assured to encourage and intensify terrorist success. On that we've had many discussions, no need to repeat.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:23 am Post subject:

I believe Israel could not attack Iran by itself, however, like in Iraq, if US decides to invade Iraq it will receive support also from our elite Special Forces units.
Although Israel can do nothing about Iraq, we can do many things about Hezbollah and Palestinians. And they all should be done.

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

How about Syria Duchifas? Anyway they seem to be the source of quite a lot of the trouble, so why wont we storm Damascus (its only 40 KM from the border)?

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

theshield wrote: How about Syria Duchifas? Anyway they seem to be the source of quite a lot of the trouble, so why wont we storm Damascus (its only 40 KM from the border)?
That is happening as I type !
http://www.haaretz.com/

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:13 am Post subject:

TheShield, I believe that if Syria won't stop supporting territories - actions will be taken against it by Israel.

Oh, and it's 7 soldiers killed.

.locke. · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 89 Location: southwest ohio

WW3 will be in the middle east. the world is mad at israel for doing whats right. the muslims will attack, israel retaliates, Russia gets involved, then america, then the rest of the world. thats my prediction anyway

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

This is a major move and as I stated in another thread if the Lebanese government and other militias or worse Syria decide to support Hizbollah then we may be facing not an operation but something to the level of a middle eastern war.

However this blatant attack cannot be ignored and we will strike against Hizbollah and hopefully uproot them once and for all. Tactical are you active at the moment or reservist like myself? If your a reservist do you know the chances are of you being called up if this gets any larger?

Olmert is certaintly showing himself to be strong I feel more secure in my vote for him now at least, we can only hope to see that this ends with the preferable results.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

theshield wrote: How about Syria Duchifas? Anyway they seem to be the source of quite a lot of the trouble, so why wont we storm Damascus (its only 40 KM from the border)?

theshield, I really don't see the the reason for sarcasm. If you think that everything is ok and everyone is getting worked up over nothing, you are perfectly free to think that.

If you are willing to live in the situation where your soldiers are kidnapped and killed every few weeks, and rockets rain on your cities, then by all means, don't storm anything, don't bomb anyone, just tell Olmert to keep making empty threats against the Palestinians that "if only they X, then we will Y them like we have never Y'ed them before" and then keep ipook-ing till Moshiach comes.

But for now, fact of the matter is, the supreme leftist (I guess it is centrist these days) ideology of "if we withdraw everything will be fine" implemented by Barak in Lebanon and Sharon/Olmert in Gaza is blowing up in Israel's face. Not a year passed and Israeli army is already back in Gaza. And now it is back in Lebanon. And all indications are that it will remain in and out of those places for quite a while.

But you know what IS different? I'll tell you. In the 10 months Palestinians smuggled a **** of weapons into Gaza and had plenty opportunity to train (considering their action at Keren Shalom, train quite productively), and elect Hamas to control government institutions and use them for terrorism. And in the last 6 years that IDF has been out of Lebanon, Hizbollah has amassed quite an arsenal of rockets capable of wreaking havoc on Israeli cities and also train and establish itself, like it never could when IDF was there.

That's the ultimate result of "disengagements" and other wise Israeli policies.

At least the public is waking up a little bit:

Quote: As the debate about realignment continued inside Kadima, a poll released Tuesday indicated that 49 percent of the public was opposed to realignment, while only 38% were in favor. Another 13% had no opinion.

The survey, carried out by telephone last Wednesday and Thursday among 500 people, was commissioned by the Reut Institute for a conference Tuesday entitled "Between Disengagement and Realignment." The poll was carried out by Smith Research and Consulting and had a 4.5% margin of error.

Asked if they supported or opposed the realignment plan in which Israel would withdraw unilaterally from settlements in Judea and Samaria, evacuate 70,000 settlers from their homes, but preserve Israeli sovereignty over the settlement blocs in Ariel and Gush Etzion, 49% of the respondents said they were either moderately or strongly opposed to the plan, while 38% said they were moderately or strongly in favor.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1150885973049&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

mr_happy · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 319

WHat ever happened to the Philangists? Can't ISrael just give em a lot of money to go blow up a lot of Hezbollah?

canucklehead · Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 91 Location: Toronto

theshield wrote: How about Syria Duchifas? Anyway they seem to be the source of quite a lot of the trouble, so why wont we storm Damascus (its only 40 KM from the border)?

Exactly, why do you think the DMZ in the Golan is so quiet? Because the Syrians get Hezbollah to do their dirty work.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

mr_happy wrote: WHat ever happened to the Philangists? Can't ISrael just give em a lot of money to go blow up a lot of Hezbollah?

Considering what Israel (well, Barak) did to long-time allies in 2000, I think anyone will think twice before doing anything for Israel.

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

Duchifas, the point i am trying to make is very simple my friend.

The rightists never acknowledged that there are limits to power (not only Israel's but also the US).The leftists never acknowledged the fact that there is no one to talk to.

Unfortunately Israel is living between those 2 basic truth.

Arcenius I · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Another peace deal

TacticalSniper wrote: Well, we thought going out of Lebanon would bring peace - that's what the Lebanese wanted. International community supported us. And here is what we get:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274258,00.html

It is time to go out into Lebanon and finally destroy this country.

Do you know what logic is? And do you know how many MILLIONS of Muslims your nation is surrounded by who are willing to blow themselves up? I hope you do, because if Israel does anything stupid like "destroy this country" it will have a MASSIVE wave of suicide bombers.

Israel will exist no more if it continues on this path, and I for one, will not shed a tear.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

We've fought 6 wars and hundreds of operations, and this very apoclyptic vision of the fate of Israel has never come to pass.

Your talking of something that makes no military, logistical, and common sense.