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Melcar · Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject:

Love the smell of a fresh OS in the morning.

Pzatchok · Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 7642

Its still windows though.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19114

You can paint a turd gold and it's still a turd.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

FCTE wrote: You can paint a turd gold and it's still a turd.
At least I can play games with my turd.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19114

Helena` wrote: FCTE wrote: You can paint a turd gold and it's still a turd.
At least I can play games with my turd.

I can play UT2004, Quake and Doom with Linux, no emulator required.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

FCTE wrote: Helena` wrote: FCTE wrote: You can paint a turd gold and it's still a turd.
At least I can play games with my turd.

I can play UT2004, Quake and Doom with Linux, no emulator required.
wow 3 games omfg, lol

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19114

Helena` wrote: FCTE wrote: Helena` wrote: FCTE wrote: You can paint a turd gold and it's still a turd.
At least I can play games with my turd.

I can play UT2004, Quake and Doom with Linux, no emulator required.
wow 3 games omfg, lol

You can get a lot more working with Cedega and Wine if you have skills. I've played World of Warcraft, Half-Life 2, Counter Strike, and Battlefield 2 on linux with no hang ups.

Nice crop job BTW :td:

Gimp..........use it. :roll:

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12416 Location: Louisiana

I have a cousin that makes clocks out of cow patties.Does that count?

Melcar · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:22 am Post subject:

All the Windows hate.
If you know how to use and maintain it it's as good as any Linux distro (except for some of the more extreme costumization).

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

Melcar wrote: All the Windows hate.
If you know how to use and maintain it it's as good as any Linux distro (except for some of the more extreme costumization).

And I've found Kubuntu to be more sluggish than a nice optimized install of Windoze, and far more sluggish than KDE/Gentoo.

And it's nice with windows, that everything tends to work, correctly, the first time.

Melcar · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:05 am Post subject:

It all depends on how you use a particular OS. Windows, Linux, OSX, they are all but tools, and fine tools too. It's up to the user to properly implement them.

Iandefor · Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 55

Haven't seen any Windows XP screenies with a hacked shell for a
while. And I've never seen an XP screeny without a shell at all. Crazy!

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19114

Melcar wrote: If you know how to use and maintain it it's as good as any Linux distro (except for some of the more extreme costumization).

Except for the fact that you're root 24/7, the spyware, the adware, the viruses, the DRM's, WGA, the fragmentation, and the handful of crutch programs you need to try and secure it, keep the registry clean, and keep it from degrading itself.

Other than that, yeah it's "just like Linux." :lol:

I don't hate Windows. I just don't see a reason to try and make it look like another OS. I keep a copy of XP in all it's original ugliness as a reminder of why I love Linux.

Melcar · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject:

FCTE wrote: Melcar wrote: If you know how to use and maintain it it's as good as any Linux distro (except for some of the more extreme costumization).

Except for the fact that you're root 24/7, the spyware, the adware, the viruses, the DRM's, WGA, the fragmentation, and the handful of crutch programs you need to try and secure it, keep the registry clean, and keep it from degrading itself.

Other than that, yeah it's "just like Linux." :lol:

I don't hate Windows. I just don't see a reason to try and make it look like another OS. I keep a copy of XP in all it's original ugliness as a reminder of why I love Linux.

Hate on Windows all you want then. The fact of the matter is that you can get Windows to do almost anything Linux can, provided you know what you're doing. There are several tweaks you can perform on Windows to make it less of a resource hog, making it run just as smooth as Linux. Again, this all requires some knowledge of the OS itself (the same as with Linux).
I have nothing against Linux; all my laptops are running Ubuntu and my spare desktop is running Fedora Core.
However, I must say that I think MS is heading the wrong direction with all it's new "security" features. The DRM issue alone will turn many people away.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19114

Melcar wrote: Hate on Windows all you want then.

I don't hate them, I just know their place in the world of operating systems.

Quote: The fact of the matter is that you can get Windows to do almost anything Linux can, provided you know what you're doing.

Really? Do tell us how you change the source code of Windows to be as stable and secure as Linux. :lol:

They are two entirely different structures from the ground up.

Quote: There are several tweaks you can perform on Windows to make it less of a resource hog, making it run just as smooth as Linux.

It will never run as solid and smooth as Linux. Examples: 1.) Registry 2.) Fragmentation 3.) Rebooting 4.) The necessity of Firewall and Anti-Virus software for even the slightest resemblance of security as well as other third party programs like Spybot.

Quote: I have nothing against Linux; all my laptops are running Ubuntu and my spare desktop is running Fedora Core.

Windows is great in a cubicle where it belongs.

Quote: However, I must say that I think MS is heading the wrong direction with all it's new "security" features. The DRM issue alone will turn many people away.

It's going to get worse. All the latest hardware has DRM's built in, with Vista it will be fully utilized. I don't need MY computer telling me what I can and can't do on it.

Melcar · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject:

Quote: It will never run as solid and smooth as Linux. Examples: 1.) Registry 2.) Fragmentation 3.) Rebooting 4.) The necessity of Firewall and Anti-Virus software for even the slightest resemblance of security as well as other third party programs like Spybot.

I agree that Windows requieres maintainance, but it's not that extensive and daunting as you make it seem. As for security, are you taking into account that Windows is the most used OS in the home computing world? If Linux was as popular you can bet it would have similar security issues. Running a third party security program is not a bad thing; I do it and many others do too.

Quote: Windows is great in a cubicle where it belongs.

As good as Linux is (and it's getting better), it's not as accessible (user friendly) as Windows to the average mainstream user. It's getting there, but it still has a long way to go.

Quote: It's going to get worse. All the latest hardware has DRM's built in, with Vista it will be fully utilized. I don't need MY computer telling me what I can and can't do on it.

I'm going to keep running XP for a while. Until I see some reviews of Vista (and at least the first batch of patches are made available) then I *may* consider making the switch. I'm perfectly happy with my current Windows/Linux setup.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19114

Melcar wrote: I agree that Windows requieres maintainance, but it's not that extensive and daunting as you make it seem.

I shouldn't have to buy a bunch of software to make another piece software work like it should if it was a good piece of software to begin with.

Quote: As for security, are you taking into account that Windows is the most used OS in the home computing world?

Yes, Irrelevant.

Quote: If Linux was as popular you can bet it would have similar security issues.

Myth. Linux is nothing like Windows regardless of popularity, the security is unmatched, the structure of the software does not permit rampant security holes.

1.) You are not the root user.

2.) Executables cannot run without direct permission as root.

3.) No Active X.

4.) A Unix infection cannot spread beyond the insertion point. It's DOA.

Unix is not as popular of a desktop OS, but Unix has been around since computers came to be. All supercomputers and the majority of servers are Unix......... the entire birth of the Internet was Unix, the internet backbone is Unix.

Infection ratio: Unix's 60 (local DOA infection) to Window's 60,000 (widespread pc to pc transmission). Note that Unix has been around for 3 decades longer than Windows.

Quote: Running a third party security program is not a bad thing; I do it and many others do too.

It is when the operating system should be secure on it's own. If MS made a good product it would not need third party software to hold it up. Not to mention the cost to the user.

Most people have the IQ of a carrot when it comes to computers and know nothing about open source and wouldn't have a clue on how to use it if they did.

Quote: As good as Linux is (and it's getting better), it's not as accessible (user friendly) as Windows to the average mainstream user. It's getting there, but it still has a long way to go.

It's not as good as Linux, see above.

Linux is not competing with Windows on the desktop market. They are not trying to unseat Windows, people who like Linux because of it's obvious benefits use it.

Linux does not care about Windows and never has. People who use Linux know how to use a computer without the autopilot.

Quote: I'm going to keep running XP for a while. Until I see some reviews of Vista (and at least the first batch of patches are made available) then I *may* consider making the switch. I'm perfectly happy with my current Windows/Linux setup.

I'm not going to Vista, by then Alky will be available and I can run my Windows apps on Ubuntu and be done with Windows.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

Helena` wrote: FCTE wrote: You can paint a turd gold and it's still a turd.
At least I can play games with my turd.

You can? :rotf:

Melcar · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject:

FCTE wrote:
I shouldn't have to buy a bunch of software to make another piece software work like it should if it was a good piece of software to begin with.

Who said anything about buying extra software? Many applications have their opensource counterparts which are widely available. The same thing goes for security applications.

Quote: Myth. Linux is nothing like Windows regardless of popularity, the security is unmatched, the structure of the software does not permit rampant security holes.

Again, anything can be broken into. Once Linux goes mainstream hackers will be all over it. Apple is learning this same lesson.

Quote: Unix is not as popular of a desktop OS, but Unix has been around since computers came to be. All supercomputers and the majority of servers are Unix......... the entire birth of the Internet was Unix, the internet backbone is Unix.

Infection ratio: Unix's 60 (local DOA infection) to Window's 60,000 (widespread pc to pc transmission). Note that Unix has been around for 3 decades longer than Windows.

I will not disagree with that. However, most of the high profile computer networks that are Unix based already count with redundant methods of protection. Nothing is left to chance.
Also, targeting these high profile systems for fraud and similar illegal activities is not that productive; hackers and other cyber deviants are not stupid, they will target the average home user and/or the small business network. Once Linux machines start to gain popularity in this segment of the market it will become a potential target just as Windows is.

Quote: It is when the operating system should be secure on it's own. If MS made a good product it would not need third party software to hold it up. Not to mention the cost to the user.

You don't need to buy anything else besides the OS. Free security applications are available. Besides, an unexpected side effect is that users grow more and more aware of their computing environments and become more sophisticated.

Quote: Most people have the IQ of a carrot when it comes to computers and know nothing about open source and wouldn't have a clue on how to use it if they did.

This is changing rapidly. Part of the side effects I mentioned earlier is that users become more aware and familiar with their PCs.

I'm in no way attacking Linux or promoting Windows as superior. Each has its merits and its flaws. The act of accusing Windows of being a mediocre piece of software and promoting the "superiority" of Linux is simply childish.