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[LetsGetReal]

cap'n queasy wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: toddytodd wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: toddytodd wrote: perdidochas wrote: toddytodd wrote: In a previous conversation, a forum member suggested :"I don't condemn any homosexual or transgendered, a sin is a sin, and yes some are worse but I truly don't believe Jesus didn't die for them as well."
So I propose the question:
Are there sins that are worse or better than other sins?
Is it worse to lie than to kill?
To steal a loaf of bread to feed your family, is that a sin?
To steal a watch because you like the 'bling', is that a sin?

Your thoughts:

There are some sins that are worse than others.

In the First Letter of St. John (5:17), we read, "...All wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly."

That seems to contradict the phrase 'the wages of sin is death' then, doesn't it?
If that is the case, it is no wonder why there is so much confussion about what is or isn't sin. It's referring to blasphemy..

I don't disagree with your statement necessarily, but what (or where) did you find to come to this conclusion? I came to this conclusion by looking at the writings of John. The only sin ever mentioned that could keep you from heaven is blasphemy, so when he was speaking it must have meant that he was speaking to fellow followers of Christ. Followers of Christ can't be sinless but they can't refrain from being blasphemous...

Actually it is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that is characterized as the unforgivable sin, which is a bit different that just blasphemy. The context where the subject is raised is when some religious authorities accused Y'shua of using evil spirits to make His miracles occur. Thus blaspeming the action of the Holy Spirit. I thought it was the non belief in the Holy spirit which is blasphemous?

[toddytodd]

LetsGetReal wrote: toddytodd wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: toddytodd wrote: perdidochas wrote: toddytodd wrote: In a previous conversation, a forum member suggested :"I don't condemn any homosexual or transgendered, a sin is a sin, and yes some are worse but I truly don't believe Jesus didn't die for them as well."
So I propose the question:
Are there sins that are worse or better than other sins?
Is it worse to lie than to kill?
To steal a loaf of bread to feed your family, is that a sin?
To steal a watch because you like the 'bling', is that a sin?

Your thoughts:

There are some sins that are worse than others.

In the First Letter of St. John (5:17), we read, "...All wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly."

That seems to contradict the phrase 'the wages of sin is death' then, doesn't it?
If that is the case, it is no wonder why there is so much confussion about what is or isn't sin. It's referring to blasphemy..

I don't disagree with your statement necessarily, but what (or where) did you find to come to this conclusion? I came to this conclusion by looking at the writings of John. The only sin ever mentioned that could keep you from heaven is blasphemy, so when he was speaking it must have meant that he was speaking to fellow followers of Christ. Followers of Christ can't be sinless but they can refrain from being blasphemous... Interesting...thanks for answering my question directly. It is something I will need to look into.

[Darth Tiberius]

MJB wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: toddytodd wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: toddytodd wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: toddytodd wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: They say suicide, idolotry, false witness and murder are the worst sins to commit. Suicide being the only unforgiveable sin.

Who is 'they'? Do you mean church/religious people?

Christians

Ah. I have never heard any sin to be unforgivable except blasphemy, which no one could ever define. I don't think any Christian should rank a sin as better or worse than another, unless they are referring to human standards of course. However, that is one reason why I started the thread: to see other's opinions.

But suicide is always said to be the unpardonable sin since it cannot be reversed and the most serious. How can blasphemy be a unforgiveable sin?

I don't know - as I said, it was never explained to me. Was another 'just because' reason.
Actually, when I asked, I was told "I don't really know for sure, but most people wouldn't commit it [blasphemy] so I wouldn't worry about it." :shock:

But even saying god damn is blasphemy so it can't be unforgiveable

The blasphemy that will not be forgiven, is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

Matt. 12: 31
31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

It just proves that God is not a patient and forgiving god if there really is a god.

[Todd D.]

Quote: It just proves that God is not a patient and forgiving god if there really is a god.
I don't think that you understand the verse. The "unforgivable sin" is saying that you don't need forgiveness, or that "God wouldn't forgive me". That makes perfect sense. Saying that you can not be forgiven is unforgiveable, because you are not asking for that forgiveness.

That does NOT, however, mean that if you see the error of such ways, God will not likewise forgive you and welcome you back.

[Darth Tiberius]

Todd D. wrote: Quote: It just proves that God is not a patient and forgiving god if there really is a god.
I don't think that you understand the verse. The "unforgivable sin" is saying that you don't need forgiveness, or that "God wouldn't forgive me". That makes perfect sense. Saying that you can not be forgiven is unforgiveable, because you are not asking for that forgiveness.

That does NOT, however, mean that if you see the error of such ways, God will not likewise forgive you and welcome you back.

I sense a contradiction.

[toddytodd]

Todd D. wrote: Quote: It just proves that God is not a patient and forgiving god if there really is a god.
I don't think that you understand the verse. The "unforgivable sin" is saying that you don't need forgiveness, or that "God wouldn't forgive me". That makes perfect sense. Saying that you can not be forgiven is unforgiveable, because you are not asking for that forgiveness.

That does NOT, however, mean that if you see the error of such ways, God will not likewise forgive you and welcome you back.

Disregarding the actual verse, that explaination seemed circular at best. But I am not questioning your belief in that (if that is your belief). Nor do I agree with it.
In regards to the quoted verse reads: "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Here is how I read it:
"I'm tellin' you, all sins and blasphemy committed against men(people) will be forgiven. But, if you blaspheme towards the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven[no explanation as to 'why' given]. Likewise, whoever speaks poorly against the Son of man will also be forgiven. But if you speak badly of the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven in real life, the after life, or any place else."
To me, it doesn't speak to the "unforgivable sin" - saying that you don't need forgiveness, or that "God wouldn't forgive me".