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[John]

Quote: Acts of mercy? Hah, alot of those people were simply desroyed because god did not approve of them.


Do you approve of burning infants alive on a red hot skillet?


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I would say the death of Jesus wasn't really that grand, seeing as how you believe he was back on his feet in three days.

God is eternal....outside of space and time...I don't think you can even imagine what Jesus did.

[TheTME]

John wrote: Quote: Acts of mercy? Hah, alot of those people were simply desroyed because god did not approve of them.


Do you approve of burning infants alive on a red hot skillet?


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I would say the death of Jesus wasn't really that grand, seeing as how you believe he was back on his feet in three days.

God is eternal....outside of space and time...I don't think you can even imagine what Jesus did.


Red hot skillets? What are you talking about, not all of those were killed for "burning infants".

You say the bible is right, well it says that Jesus died, rose from the grave on the third day, and ascended into heaven while periodically showing up on Earth. So if god showed up as a man then Jesus was outside of space and time, I bet that was a weird life? Did Jesus age, was he an infant forever? Did he grow fingernails, hair, have dead skin cells and did his foreskin decay after circumsision? Surely it would not if god was not affected by time.

It specifically says that he died and three days later he was alive again, what don't I understand? Did jesus not actually die, was the crucifiction a faux one? How do you even know what I can imagine, you don't know me. You have no idea what I can think. Please don't even throw in things like "he became sin" or "He took all the sins with him" a belief like that is irrelevent to the fact he died for a short amount of time.


And the triune nature of god, just wow. What an odd belief to hold, with all the old testament saying how there is only one true god and how he has no image or representation. Now all of a sudden christians believe god is three distincted parts, one being flesh and blood? And jesus made a large distinction in his preachings about him and god, never saying that he he was God or a part of God. Jesus spoke of his Father in heaven as his God (John 20:17), to whom he attributed superior authority, knowledge, and greatness (Matthew 20:23, Mark 13:32, John 14:28). There doesnt seem to be a trinitarian equality between Jesus and God, but that god was the all powerful. Jesus also says that "Who are my mother and my brothers? . . . For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother" Sound like he was placing himself equal to other humans, so that he would be no special son of god more than anyone else.

[John]

Quote: It specifically says that he died and three days later he was alive again, what don't I understand? Did jesus not actually die, was the crucifiction a faux one? How do you even know what I can imagine, you don't know me. You have no idea what I can think. Please don't even throw in things like "he became sin" or "He took all the sins with him" a belief like that is irrelevent to the fact he died for a short amount of time.

Dead is dead. What does it matter how long someone is dead. I believe God choose three days because it's long enough to be sure He was good and dead.

Christ is God incarnate...when He died on the cross....it isn't a matter of time because He is God. There was more going on there than we could see. In fact everytime someone sins...they add to the pain Christ felt on the cross.


Besides the fact that Christ died on a cross....just incarnating Himself as a man was a very humbling and sacrificial thing for God Almighty to do. It would be like you choosing to become a maggot to save a remnant of maggots that would trust in you. Would you choose to become a maggot? eat crap, and then have the very maggots you came to save torture and kill you in a very humiliating way?

I wouldn't…I'd be like…to Hell with those disgusting hateful little creeps.

[TheTME]

John wrote: Quote: It specifically says that he died and three days later he was alive again, what don't I understand? Did jesus not actually die, was the crucifiction a faux one? How do you even know what I can imagine, you don't know me. You have no idea what I can think. Please don't even throw in things like "he became sin" or "He took all the sins with him" a belief like that is irrelevent to the fact he died for a short amount of time.

Dead is dead. What does it matter how long someone is dead. I believe God choose three days because it's long enough to be sure He was good and dead.

Christ is God incarnate...when He died on the cross....it isn't a matter of time because He is God. There was more going on there than we could see. In fact everytime someone sins...they add to the pain Christ felt on the cross.


Besides the fact that Christ died on a cross....just incarnating Himself as a man was a very humbling and sacrificial thing for God Almighty to do. It would be like you choosing to become a maggot to save a remnant of maggots that would trust in you. Would you choose to become a maggot? eat crap, and then have the very maggots you came to save torture and kill you in a very humiliating way?

I wouldn't…I'd be like…to Hell with those disgusting hateful little creeps.

Why would one aspect of god keep secrets from the other? As it is made known in scripture God knew thinks Jesus didn't.

Also I made a note in my earlier post that the whole business were you say about he died for sins has little relevance to his actualy death.

What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Why would you compare humans to maggots? Does it not say that humans were made in gods image? Do you hold this true for maggots also?

[John]

Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

[TheTME]

John wrote: Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

A different type of body, where do you get this? The bible says he had the same body with the same scars on him from his exacution. Most likely there was no rising from the dead, and the book of acts and pretty much all the work of paul is simply trying to exaggerate Jesus and encourage gentiles to convert.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

TheTME wrote: John wrote: Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

A different type of body, where do you get this? The bible says he had the same body with the same scars on him from his exacution. Most likely there was no rising from the dead, and the book of acts and pretty much all the work of paul is simply trying to exaggerate Jesus and encourage gentiles to convert.

A different type of body, where do you get this?

THE RESURRECTION

1. The Morontia Transit

2. The Material Body of Jesus


Of course, you won't find the above information in any Bible.

[John]

TheTME wrote: John wrote: Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

A different type of body, where do you get this? The bible says he had the same body with the same scars on him from his exacution. Most likely there was no rising from the dead, and the book of acts and pretty much all the work of paul is simply trying to exaggerate Jesus and encourage gentiles to convert.


No..it doesn't. People didn't even recognize Him unless He wanted them to. Yes....Jesus' scars remain (for a reason). But He rose in a glorified body that was different. Jesus was able to phase in and out of this dimension with this new body.


And BTW....the book of Acts and the writing of Paul are part of the Bible. Do you only accept three of the Gospels or something?

[TheTME]

John wrote: TheTME wrote: John wrote: Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

A different type of body, where do you get this? The bible says he had the same body with the same scars on him from his exacution. Most likely there was no rising from the dead, and the book of acts and pretty much all the work of paul is simply trying to exaggerate Jesus and encourage gentiles to convert.


No..it doesn't. People didn't even recognize Him unless He wanted them to. Yes....Jesus' scars remain (for a reason). But He rose in a glorified body that was different. Jesus was able to phase in and out of this dimension with this new body.


And BTW....the book of Acts and the writing of Paul are part of the Bible. Do you only accept three of the Gospels or something?

No, I don't accept Paul's letters, or almost all of the new testament.

So is this glorified body the same as when Odysseus was "glorified" by Athena to be more like a god "showing like bronze" and the whole bit?

[John]

TheTME wrote: John wrote: TheTME wrote: John wrote: Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

A different type of body, where do you get this? The bible says he had the same body with the same scars on him from his exacution. Most likely there was no rising from the dead, and the book of acts and pretty much all the work of paul is simply trying to exaggerate Jesus and encourage gentiles to convert.


No..it doesn't. People didn't even recognize Him unless He wanted them to. Yes....Jesus' scars remain (for a reason). But He rose in a glorified body that was different. Jesus was able to phase in and out of this dimension with this new body.


And BTW....the book of Acts and the writing of Paul are part of the Bible. Do you only accept three of the Gospels or something?

No, I don't accept Paul's letters, or almost all of the new testament.

So is this glorified body the same as when Odysseus was "glorified" by Athena to be more like a god "showing like bronze" and the whole bit?

Have fun picking and choosing what fits your ideology.


The glorified body is the body given to those of the Resurrection. It is a body free of sin...a body like that of Adam and Eve before they feel into corruption. A concept that Jews also share with Christians.

Do you know why Joseph' bones were carried out of Egypt? Because of the belief in the Resurrection.

[TheTME]

John wrote: TheTME wrote: John wrote: TheTME wrote: John wrote: Quote: What would be the point in death if you were going to be alive again before even a week has passed?

Because He is not alive in the same way. He rose in a different type of body. He was the first to rise in this manner and the assurance that Christians have to rise in the same manner.

A different type of body, where do you get this? The bible says he had the same body with the same scars on him from his exacution. Most likely there was no rising from the dead, and the book of acts and pretty much all the work of paul is simply trying to exaggerate Jesus and encourage gentiles to convert.


No..it doesn't. People didn't even recognize Him unless He wanted them to. Yes....Jesus' scars remain (for a reason). But He rose in a glorified body that was different. Jesus was able to phase in and out of this dimension with this new body.


And BTW....the book of Acts and the writing of Paul are part of the Bible. Do you only accept three of the Gospels or something?

No, I don't accept Paul's letters, or almost all of the new testament.

So is this glorified body the same as when Odysseus was "glorified" by Athena to be more like a god "showing like bronze" and the whole bit?

Have fun picking and choosing what fits your ideology.


The glorified body is the body given to those of the Resurrection. It is a body free of sin...a body like that of Adam and Eve before they feel into corruption. A concept that Jews also share with Christians.

Do you know why Joseph' bones were carried out of Egypt? Because of the belief in the Resurrection.

I don't pick and choose, I untwist lies and decipher bulls**t.

[John]

Quote: I don't pick and choose, I untwist lies and decipher bulls**t.

So, which books of the New Testament do you accept?

[TheTME]

In there entirety? Not a one. I do believe there is some truth to parts of the gospels.

[Saracen]

superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!

Hi!

The Christian Jesus and the Islamic Jesus differ in that in Islam, Jesus is not divine, but a prophet. Also, the concept of messiah differs. Messiah means "Maseeh" in Arabic, from Massah, meaning wipe or rub, because when Jesus cured the blind and lepers, he'd wipe his hand over their eyes or their black spots. But messiah also means savior, because we believe that in his Second Coming, he will save the world from evil forces and ultimately restore order to Palestine.

[Random Evil Guy]

John wrote:
Nope. Not historically OR if you compare their natures. Jehovah is a personal God who is abounding in mercy and grace.

the same god who supposedly gave us rational thought, then provides no evidence of his existance and condemns all who doesn't believe to eternal damnation?

yeah, abunding mercy and grace...

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