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[jeechoscopy]

superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Following a Prophet is actually following God. Do you think a Prophet doesn't follow God? Exactly NOT. Christ would be the follower of Allah/God as he had been since his birth. As all the Prophets had been since Man descended from heaven.

[John]

[quote="superchick"] jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah.

[superchick]

[quote="John"] superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah. You don't think so?
:think:

[John]

[quote="superchick"] John wrote: superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah. You don't think so?
:think:

Nope. Not historically OR if you compare their natures. Jehovah is a personal God who is abounding in mercy and grace. While Allah is impersonal and is a god of judgment. If you don’t do what Allah wants…he hates you. Jehovah is a God of love, and loves everyone. Jesus died on the cross and took on the sins of us sinners. That contradicts everything that the Qur’an has to say about Allah.

One can’t believe the Gospel and at the same time believe that “Allah” described in Muslim writing is Jehovah.

[jeechoscopy]

John wrote: Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah.

Whatever you say him, Jehovah or Allah, He is "self-subsisting." Lord and God is also used for Allah so as Allah is used for Lord, and God.

Your believes might different but it's unanimously agreed.

[John]

jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah.

Whatever you say him, Jehovah or Allah, He is "self-subsisting." Lord and God is also used for Allah so as Allah is used for Lord, and God.

Your believes might different but it's unanimously agreed.

If you guys want to have a relationship with the true and living God, then you need to turn from the false religion of Islam and hear the Truth. Islam is really just a complecated way of rejecting who Jesus is and what He did.

[Zeeman]

Islam doesnt reject Jesus...Actually anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus cant be Muslim ;)

[Glorfindel]

John wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah.

Whatever you say him, Jehovah or Allah, He is "self-subsisting." Lord and God is also used for Allah so as Allah is used for Lord, and God.

Your believes might different but it's unanimously agreed.

If you guys want to have a relationship with the true and living God, then you need to turn from the false religion of Islam and hear the Truth. Islam is really just a complecated way of rejecting who Jesus is and what He did.

Islam is not complicated... you want something complicated? talk about your holy trinity

how can three entities be sometimes one and how can an single entity become three?

Islam is very simple... there is only one God ... not three-in-one or one-in-three


only one God... do you find that complicated?

and another question... how can the creature of God kill him? if you say that the jews did not kill God but killed Jesus..well then thank you very much you just prove that you can distinguish God from Jesus ...proving that you identified two separate entities... thus proving that you don't worship one God ..but more than that

but if you said that he let himself be killed to sacrifice himself to save the human race...then why does God have to go through all this to forgive his creatures? can't he just forgive them? if they really wanted his forgiveness..which does not seem to be the case..since they were killing him...unless sinning is the way to ask for forgivness in christianity.... but i really doubt that

God is perfect and i don't think you can be perfect if your inferiors can kill you...God is perfect...he does not let himself suffer or be humiliated by those who with one word from him, can be all earased from existense

God doesn't tolerate those who insults him ...why should he suffer humiliation from his creatures?

many questions that you should answer before coming here to here that Islam is the wrong religion to embrace

but i'll be satisfied if you answer those questions clearly..and i'll come up with more after that

peace

[John]

Quote: God is perfect and i don't think you can be perfect if your inferiors can kill you...God is perfect...he does not let himself suffer or be humiliated by those who with one word from him, can be all earased from existense

God sacrificed Himself, to literally be the perfect sacrifice to show us what perfect love really is.

John 10
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,

15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

17"For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again.

18"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again This commandment I received from My Father."




14
أَمَّا أَنَا فَإِنِّي الرَّاعِي الصَّالِحُ، وَأَعْرِفُ خِرَافِي، وَخِرَ افِي تَعْرِفُنِي،


15 مِثْلَمَا يَعْرِفُنِي الآبُ وَأَنَا أَعْرِفُهُ. وَأَنَا أَبْذِلُ حَيَاتِي فِدَى خِرَافِي.

16 وَلِي خِرَافٌ أُخْرَى لاَ تَنْتَمِي إِلَى هَذِهِ الْحَظِيرَةِ، لاَ بُدَّ أَنْ أَجْمَعَهَا إِلَيَّ أَيْضاً، فَتُصْغِيَ لِصَوْتِي؛ فَيَكُونَ هُنَاكَ قَطِيعٌ وَاحِدٌ وَرَاعٍ وَاحِدٌ.

17 إِنَّ الآبَ يُحِبُّنِي لأَنِّي أَبْذِلُ حَيَاتِي لِكَيْ أَسْتَرِدَّهَا.

[Glorfindel]

John

thank you for bringing up the bible... and translating the verses for me...

I wanted to ask you a few questions ...I'm very sure that you will find the answers for my questions in the bible

1- Who told David to number Israel?

2- How many stalls of horses did Solomon have?
3- did Saul enquire God ?

4- Was Keturah Abraham's wife ?

5- Is God the author of confusion ?

I would really love it if you could answer these questions and provide me with the verses from the bible where you got your answers


thank you in advance

peace

[augustus kafka]

oooh oooh oooh if god sacrificed himself does that mean he no longer exists!?!?!?!? :( :( :( that would stink, neh?

[John]

Glorfindel wrote: John

thank you for bringing up the bible... and translating the verses for me...

I wanted to ask you a few questions ...I'm very sure that you will find the answers for my questions in the bible

1- Who told David to number Israel?

2- How many stalls of horses did Solomon have?
3- did Saul enquire God ?

4- Was Keturah Abraham's wife ?

5- Is God the author of confusion ?

I would really love it if you could answer these questions and provide me with the verses from the bible where you got your answers


thank you in advance

peace

Well, I don't have time to look all those up....but I'll try to answer from what I have learned.

1) It seems that God allowed Satan to put the idea of numbering Israel in David's head. There seems to have been a lot of pride swelling up in David and God put him in his place. God will disipline his children before they fall into total ruin.

2) Depends on what kind of stall you are talking about. Small stalls that only held single horses, there seems to have been 40,000, and large stalls that held horses and chariots seems to have been numbered at 4000.

3) I'm not sure what you mean. "enquire" in what context?

4) Yes, Abraham married Keturah after Sarah died.

5) Depends on your heart. If you stand against His will...you'll eventually find yourself confused.



1 Corinthians 1
18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written,
"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;

23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;

27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,

28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,

29 so that no man may boast before God.

30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

31 so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."




18
لأَنَّ الْبِشَارَةَ بِالصَّلِيبِ جَهَالَةٌ عِنْدَ الْهَالِكِينَ؛ وَأَمَّا عِنْدَنَا، نَحْنُ الْمُخَلَّصِينَ، فَهِيَ قُدْرَةُ اللهِ.

19 فَإِنَّهُ قَدْ كُتِبَ: «سَأُبِيدُ حِكْمَةَ الْحُكَمَاءِ وَأُزِيلُ فَهْمَ الْفُهَمَاءِ!»

20 إِذَنْ، أَيْنَ الْحَكِيمُ؟ وَأَيْنَ الْكَاتِبُ؟ وَأَيْنَ الْمُجَادِلُ فِي هَذَا الزَّمَانِ؟ أَلَمْ يَقْلِبِ اللهُ حِكْمَةَ هَذَا الْعَالَمِ جَهَالَةً؟

21 فَبِمَا أَنَّ الْعَالَمَ، فِي حِكْمَةِ اللهِ، لَمْ يَعْرِفِ اللهَ عَنْ طَرِيقِ الْحِكْمَةِ، فَقَدْ سُرَّ اللهُ أَنْ يُخَلِّصَ بِجَهَالَةِ الْبِشَارَةِ الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ.

22 إِذْ إِنَّ الْيَهُودَ يَطْلُبُونَ آيَاتٍ، وَالْيُونَانِيِّينَ يَبْحَثُونَ عَنِ الْحِكْمَةِ.

23 وَلكِنَّنَا نَحْنُ نُبَشِّرُ بِالْمَسِيحِ مَصْلُوباً، مِمَّا يُشَكِّلُ عَائِقاً عِنْدَ الْيَهُودِ وَجَهَالَةً عِنْدَ الأُمَمِ؛

24 وَأَمَّا عِنْدَ الْمَدْعُوِّينَ، سَوَاءٌ مِنَ الْيَهُودِ أَوِ الْيُونَانِيِّينَ، فَإِنَّ الْمَسِيحَ هُوَ قُدْرَ ةُ اللهِ وَحِكْمَةُ اللهِ.

25 ذَلِكَ لأَنَّ «جَهَالَةَ» اللهِ أَحْكَمُ مِنَ الْبَشَرِ، وَ«ضَعْفَ» اللهِ أَقْوَى مِنَ الْبَشَرِ.

26 فَاتَّخِذُوا الْعِبْرَةَ مِنْ دَعْوَتِكُمْ أَيُّهَا الإِخْوَةُ: فَلَيْسَ بَيْنَكُمْ كَثِيرُونَ مِنَ الْحُكَمَاءِ حِكْمَةً بَشَرِيَّةً، وَلاَ كَثِيرُونَ مِنَ الْمُقْتَدِرِينَ، وَلاَ كَثِيرُونَ مِنَ النُّبَلاَءِ.

27 بَلْ إِنَّ اللهَ قَدِ اخْتَارَ مَا هُوَ جَاهِلٌ فِي الْعَالَمِ لِيُخْجِلَ الْحُكَمَاءَ. وَقَدِ اخْتَارَ اللهُ مَا هُوَ ضَعِيفٌ فِي الْعَالَمِ لِيُخْجِلَ الْمُقْتَدِرِينَ.

28 وَقَدِ اخْتَارَ اللهُ مَا كَانَ فِي الْعَالَمِ وَضِيعاً وَمُحْتَقَراً وَعَدِيمَ الشَّأْنِ، لِيُزِيلَ مَا لَهُ شَأْنٌ،

29 حَتَّى لاَ يَفْتَخِرَ أَيُّ بَشَرٍ أَمَامَ اللهِ.

30 وَبِفَضْلِ اللهِ صَارَ لَكُمْ مَقَامٌ فِي الْمَسِيحِ يَسُوعَ الَّذِي جُعِلَ لَنَا حِكْمَةً مِنَ اللهِ وَبِرّاً وَقَدَاسَةً وَفِدَاءً،

31 حَتَّى إِنَّ «مَنِ افْتَخَرَ، فَلْيَفْتَخِرْ بِالرَّبِّ»، عَلَى حَدِّ مَا قَدْ كُتِبَ.

[ThirdPerson]

[quote="superchick"] John wrote: superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah. You don't think so?
:think:

I don't think so either - in the Koran Jehova or any of the other Hebrew names of God are not mentioned.

Allah is generally interpreted as the general name for god just as in english we would say God. However, it was also the name of the head god of the polytheistic Quraysh that inhabited Mecca before Muhammad.

[jeechoscopy]

ThirdPerson wrote: superchick wrote: I don't think so either - in the Koran Jehova or any of the other Hebrew names of God are not mentioned.

Allah is generally interpreted as the general name for god just as in english we would say God. However, it was also the name of the head god of the polytheistic Quraysh that inhabited Mecca before Muhammad

Good understanding of the differences of languages. One existing thing is named in different words in different languages.
If Moses were in India he would use the Sinsicrit language, rather Hebrew. Would he still use "Jehovah" for God? I think he would be using "Bhagwan" then (meaning; one who creats luck.) And then you would be finding for a word in Hebrew.

[John]

jeechoscopy wrote: ThirdPerson wrote: superchick wrote: I don't think so either - in the Koran Jehova or any of the other Hebrew names of God are not mentioned.

Allah is generally interpreted as the general name for god just as in english we would say God. However, it was also the name of the head god of the polytheistic Quraysh that inhabited Mecca before Muhammad

Good understanding of the differences of languages. One existing thing is named in different words in different languages.
If Moses were in India he would use the Sinsicrit language, rather Hebrew. Would he still use "Jehovah" for God? I think he would be using "Bhagwan" then (meaning; one who creats luck.) And then you would be finding for a word in Hebrew.

No....Jehovah is the English translation for what God told Moses His name was. If what you were saying was correct...then "Allah" would translate into "I AM that I AM".


It doesn't.

[jeechoscopy]

I think we must discuss it in a different threat... I've made it at this question:
Allah is not Jehovah?

[TheTME]

John wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I found a good website that you might wish to bookmark for further reading and reference.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/

And the author's other site @ http://www.harunyahya.com/

Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.

This site claims that Jesus didn't die. And really that's what Islam claims too. According to the New Testament....any group that teaches that in particular is Satanic in nature.

Just so you know.

I am sure that Islam might teach a similiar to message against your trinity and threeness of god, as well as Jesus the god-man.

[TheTME]

[quote="John"] superchick wrote: John wrote: superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah. You don't think so?
:think:

Nope. Not historically OR if you compare their natures. Jehovah is a personal God who is abounding in mercy and grace. While Allah is impersonal and is a god of judgment. If you don’t do what Allah wants…he hates you. Jehovah is a God of love, and loves everyone. Jesus died on the cross and took on the sins of us sinners. That contradicts everything that the Qur’an has to say about Allah.

One can’t believe the Gospel and at the same time believe that “Allah” described in Muslim writing is Jehovah.

A god of love? Ah, that must be why he kicked man out of paradise, allowed the Hebrews to conquer Canaan, destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah, flooded the world, killed Er, killed Onan, tried to kill Moses, plauged the Egyptian king, wanted to destroy the Israelites after they left Egypt, killed Nadab and Abihu, sicks posinous snakes on the Israelites, killed 24,000 Israelites with a plauge, Sells the Israelites into slavery, etc, etc, etc.

Your Jehova seems just full of love.

[John]

[quote="TheTME"] John wrote: superchick wrote: John wrote: superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah. You don't think so?
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Nope. Not historically OR if you compare their natures. Jehovah is a personal God who is abounding in mercy and grace. While Allah is impersonal and is a god of judgment. If you don’t do what Allah wants…he hates you. Jehovah is a God of love, and loves everyone. Jesus died on the cross and took on the sins of us sinners. That contradicts everything that the Qur’an has to say about Allah.

One can’t believe the Gospel and at the same time believe that “Allah” described in Muslim writing is Jehovah.

A god of love? Ah, that must be why he kicked man out of paradise, allowed the Hebrews to conquer Canaan, destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah, flooded the world, killed Er, killed Onan, tried to kill Moses, plauged the Egyptian king, wanted to destroy the Israelites after they left Egypt, killed Nadab and Abihu, sicks posinous snakes on the Israelites, killed 24,000 Israelites with a plauge, Sells the Israelites into slavery, etc, etc, etc.

Your Jehova seems just full of love.


He died on a cross to save you from yourself. He didn't have to...but He did. Is there a greater demonstration of love than dying for someone in their place?


If you understood what was really going on....you would know that what God was done that you disaprove of where acts of mercy.

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[quote="John"] TheTME wrote: John wrote: superchick wrote: John wrote: superchick wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
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The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.

Well, fist of all. Allah is not Jehovah. You don't think so?
:think:

Nope. Not historically OR if you compare their natures. Jehovah is a personal God who is abounding in mercy and grace. While Allah is impersonal and is a god of judgment. If you don’t do what Allah wants…he hates you. Jehovah is a God of love, and loves everyone. Jesus died on the cross and took on the sins of us sinners. That contradicts everything that the Qur’an has to say about Allah.

One can’t believe the Gospel and at the same time believe that “Allah” described in Muslim writing is Jehovah.

A god of love? Ah, that must be why he kicked man out of paradise, allowed the Hebrews to conquer Canaan, destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah, flooded the world, killed Er, killed Onan, tried to kill Moses, plauged the Egyptian king, wanted to destroy the Israelites after they left Egypt, killed Nadab and Abihu, sicks posinous snakes on the Israelites, killed 24,000 Israelites with a plauge, Sells the Israelites into slavery, etc, etc, etc.

Your Jehova seems just full of love.


He died on a cross to save you from yourself. He didn't have to...but He did. Is there a greater demonstration of love than dying for someone in their place?


If you understood what was really going on....you would know that what God was done that you disaprove of where acts of mercy.


Acts of mercy? Hah, alot of those people were simply desroyed because god did not approve of them.

I would say the death of Jesus wasn't really that grand, seeing as how you believe he was back on his feet in three days.