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John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Mailech · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 2583

Dagger wrote: All humans must die. All the other prophets have died. He is still alive, and will return, but will also die.

Do you believe that Elijah (Eliyahu) died? Or do you not believe that he existed?

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

John, how is your location Houston if your country is Israel?

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

If I understand you correctly, Jesus won't be saying anything contained in the Sunnah or Hadith's then ?

I wonder if anyone has ever broken down precisely that which Mohammad exclaimed
and removed all other references which He did not exclaim?

What would that message look like ?

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

Mailech wrote: Dagger wrote: All humans must die. All the other prophets have died. He is still alive, and will return, but will also die.

Do you believe that Elijah (Eliyahu) died? Or do you not believe that he existed?

Well, seeing as Elijah (Eliyahu) isn't even mentioned in the Koran,
we simply do not know the answer to this important question.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.
If Jesus is a Spiritual representative of the Creator, why would he have any need to find the original text of the Bible?

BTW, how can you reconcile your recital regarding the 4th Sky (heaven) with the words of the Koran which read:
Quote: When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.'
http://www.sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm#NightJourney

jeechoscopy · Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 1822 Location: Faisalabad

John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Richard wrote: If Jesus is a Spiritual representative of the Creator, why would he have any need to find the original text of the Bible?

BTW, how can you reconcile your recital regarding the 4th Sky (heaven) with the words of the Koran which read:
Quote: When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.'

Why God need prophets, why God need the Universe?? I don't know why Jesus will give his followers the original bible ... that he will find it near Istanbul. Then a complete set of God's messages -including Qur'an- would be there.
And locating Jesus is very difficult now... he will be amongst us oneday...
Accoding to hadiths he was also in Palestine when Mohammad visited there at his night journy.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Quote: Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

The Messiah is going to follow Mohammad? That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. What Jesus taught is 180 degree out of phase with what Mohammed taught.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

I found a good website that you might wish to bookmark for further reading and reference.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/

And the author's other site @ http://www.harunyahya.com/

Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.

henrilegrand · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 186

[quote="John"][quote]Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling. [/quote]

The Messiah is going to follow Mohammad? That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. What Jesus taught is 180 degree out of phase with what Mohammed taught.[/quote]

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>>What Jesus taught is 180 degree out of phase with what Mohammad taught<<

That's right, Jesus said, according to

Matthew 10:34 - "Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword".

Also, Mohammad never said it, but Jesus did (referring to Jews), according to

John 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it"

There really IS a difference in the teachings of Jesus and Mohammad.

BTW, Islam does acknowledge Jesus as one of Allah's/God's prophets.
Judaism rejects Jesus as a prophet.

Jesus is an antisemite, Mohammad is not. No?

jeechoscopy · Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 1822 Location: Faisalabad

henrilegrand wrote: John wrote: Quote: Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

The Messiah is going to follow Mohammad? That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. What Jesus taught is 180 degree out of phase with what Mohammed taught.

*****

>>What Jesus taught is 180 degree out of phase with what Mohammad taught<<

That's right, Jesus said, according to

Matthew 10:34 - "Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword".

Also, Mohammad never said it, but Jesus did (referring to Jews), according to

John 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it"

There really IS a difference in the teachings of Jesus and Mohammad.

BTW, Islam does acknowledge Jesus as one of Allah's/God's prophets.
Judaism rejects Jesus as a prophet.

Jesus is an antisemite, Mohammad is not. No?

Well observed, henrilegrand!!
I'll discuss some agreed concepts on the messages Prophets'd been broght from God.

1- As you know almost all the Prophets told their followers that other Messengers and Prophets would continue spreading God's message in future as well.

2- Each time, a new Prophet of the tribe and the time ever told the God's message to their followers was some "evolved". Example; Moses -pbuh- persuaded his followers to fight against Pharoha and then praying to God would be tough job, Jesus -pbuh- told his follower that rather thinking of an intercourse would be sin while Mohammad -pbuh- saved his followers from that stuff and isolation from the society was prohibited. And...

3- Jesus' return is due, I don't know how he would keep things evolving with his actions, while he would be with Qur'an then as he was being with Bani Israel's (Moses and his Prophet-sons) books; Bible.

Mohammad (peace be upon him) realized (or was ordered) in his last decade of life that sword is important against injustice and cruality. But only if needed. We have given a patern of stoping injustice; i. think about it and condemn it, ii. talk about it and condemn it, iii. condemn it and stop it untill unjust is there.

If you think humanbeing today as a very very civilized creature on earth, should you still be hold a "sword" or a weapon of the day. Stoping injust is quite an evolved civilizational patern, how we do it is still our choice. We have not yet, that evolved when man would be understading each other brotherhoodly.

And thank you Quote: Richard

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I found a good website that you might wish to bookmark for further reading and reference.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/

And the author's other site @ http://www.harunyahya.com/

Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.

This site claims that Jesus didn't die. And really that's what Islam claims too. According to the New Testament....any group that teaches that in particular is Satanic in nature.

Just so you know.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Quote: Jesus is an antisemite, Mohammad is not. No?

You gotta be kidding me.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

John wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I found a good website that you might wish to bookmark for further reading and reference.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/

And the author's other site @ http://www.harunyahya.com/

Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.

This site claims that Jesus didn't die. And really that's what Islam claims too. According to the New Testament....any group that teaches that in particular is Satanic in nature.

Just so you know.

Well, it is afterall an Islamic site.

henrilegrand · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 186

[quote="maalox"]christians say he`s the son of god , and they say marry is god and jesus`s mother both
so i say god had sex with his mama , the little bastard

muslim say he`s another messenger

i say they are all stupid[/quote]

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>>so i say god had sex with his mama, the little bastard<<

Mama mia that's a good one...Bravo!

David Kelly · Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 451 Location: Kissimmee, FL

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: John wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I found a good website that you might wish to bookmark for further reading and reference.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/

And the author's other site @ http://www.harunyahya.com/

Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.

This site claims that Jesus didn't die. And really that's what Islam claims too. According to the New Testament....any group that teaches that in particular is Satanic in nature.

Just so you know.

Well, it is afterall an Islamic site.

I thank you for the links. As a Christian I must disagree on some parts (I have an open mind and so allow the chance to be proven wrong), but I do agree with most of what is said.
I've always held (even as a Christian) that Muhammad was a prophet by the way.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

he will. i will follow him because it what god asked every muslim to do.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

[quote="Richard Owl Mirror]If I understand you correctly, Jesus won't be saying anything contained in the Sunnah or Hadith's then ?

I wonder if anyone has ever broken down precisely that which Mohammad exclaimed
and removed all other references which He did not exclaim?

What would that message look like ?[/quote]

no he will be saying what is contained in the hadiths as afar as i know.

people have done that, that is why there are different levels of hadiths, and the message is like the one in the quran.

i am really confused why you dislike the hadiths and the prophet?
what is it in the hadiths that is so annoying?

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Muslima wrote: John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

he will. i will follow him because it what god asked every muslim to do.

It sounds to me that you've been conditioned to follow the Antichrist.

Did you know that according to prophecy foretold in the Bible, that there will be a person who does exactly what you’re talking about (institute a one world religion) and that basically the whole world will accept this guy as a “savior”. But this guy will not really be Christ….He will be the devil incarnate and he will bring a lot of suffering. Especially upon the Jews, and Christians who refuse to submit to his plan. There is a lot in the Bible that paints this picture…but here is a snippet of what something Jesus had to say about the one that is to come:

John 5

43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
44 "How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?
45 "Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.
4 6"For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
47 "But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

superchick · Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 6563 Location: US

[quote="jeechoscopy"] John wrote: Muslima wrote: wannabe wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: superchick wrote: I have heard conflicting words and opinions on what is generally accepted in the Islamic faith. Is the "Christian" Jesus considered to be the Messiah in Islamic faith?
Thanks!
The only man that would return is God's prophet Jesus the Christ and that was not crucified by anyone but raised to the 4th sky (or heaven). He will be folower of Mohammad (peace be upon him)... when he will return.

Jesus will find the orignal text of bible near Istanbul... He will kill the person called "anti-christ", we say "Dajjal." Then he would unite the world that was devided by the religions themselves. You can say the renewed religion Islam or Christianity but it would be a religion of everybeing on the earth.

so Muslims believe that when Christ returns he'll united all Muslims Christians and Jews under him?

it depends on who from these religions will accept what jesus will have to say, as far as i know he will be saying what mohammad said.

And if He doesn't. What will you do?

Christ will return and unite all the human-being including Muslims, Christians and Jews... while he would be the follower of Mohammad and he will announce it... these are the signs for those who would be really waiting for the return. If a sign doesn't match ... condition would be trolling.

Why would Christ not be a follower of Allah? Im confused with why the Messiah would be a follower of Mohammad's instead of Allah and "preach" Allah's word and praise.