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Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

and there is no difference between them and catholic hitler!
do i continue?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6804 Location: Ohio

...Hitler was not Catholic. In fact, Catholics were sent to the death camps.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

Demonic Spoon wrote: ...Hitler was not Catholic. In fact, Catholics were sent to the death camps.

http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rants/0420a-almanac.htm

http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

if you don't want to consider him a catholic, since many catholics do that, then you can't ignore or deny that he was a christian....

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Quote: if you don't want to consider him a catholic, since many catholics do that, then you can't ignore or deny that he was a christian....

Do you really believe that Hitler was a Christian, Muslima?

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

Yes, Hitler was a catholic, he stated this in his book Mein Kampf. This is a fact.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

Was Hitler a Catholic? Was Hitler a Christian?
http://www.geocities.com/chiniquy/Hitler.html
Quote: The allegation is sometimes made that Hitler was a Catholic - a Christian until the day he died. This claim is based upon the fact that Hitler was born and raised in a Catholic family.

However, as an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953), contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity [is] the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... [here he insults people who believe transubstantiation] .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise." (p 278)

Was Hitler Excommunicated?

The allegation is sometimes made that the Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler from membership. It is unknown whether Hitler was formally excommunicated or not, but it doesn't matter. Hitler was already excommunicated ipso facto under the canon law of the Catholic Church for his numerous sinful crimes. He could only have returned to the Catholic faith, even assuming that he would ever have wanted to, by having his excommunication removed by the Pope himself. The lifting of such excommunication is reserved to the Pope, latae sententiae.

Furthermore, the conference of German bishops excommunicated all Nazis in 1930, and in the 1932 elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi. By being the leader of the Nazi party, Hitler had already put himself outside of the Church.

Finally, it should be noted that the whole purpose of excommunication is to help the sinner recognize the enormity of his sins, so he will seek forgiveness. As St. Paul wrote: "If any one refuses to obey our word by this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:14-15). Someone like Hitler, who did not believe in the truth of Christianity, would simply shrug it off.

Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs ~ From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler/temp_religious_beliefs

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

FreedomSpeech wrote: Yes, Hitler was a catholic, he stated this in his book Mein Kampf. This is a fact.

You gotta be dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe Hitler was a Christian. :lol:

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

John wrote: FreedomSpeech wrote: Yes, Hitler was a catholic, he stated this in his book Mein Kampf. This is a fact.

You gotta be dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe Hitler was a Christian. :lol:
lol, what an ignorant, dude, I don't know how your brain works (if you have one - which I doubt - :lol: ) Hitler himself said it in his book he is chrisitian. What amazes me how stupid someone can be just to satisfy himself.

[quote="Richard Owl Mirror"]http://www.geocities.com/chiniquy/Hitler.html
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I think you would agree me that personal websites hosted on geocities are unreliable sources.

What you fall to realize that churches and christians have done their best to hide this fact, incorrect translations of Hitler's book have been written, there is general acceptance by christians all over the world to hide this fact, its like the stupid holocaust thing, whoever denies it is considered a criminal :lol:

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 21806 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Stop the personal attacks in here.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

It's as simple as observing the actions of the man, in determining if he was a Christian or not. That and any knowledge of the Nazi party would clue you in that he wasn’t a Christian…being their leader and all.

Carlin · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

John wrote: FreedomSpeech wrote: Yes, Hitler was a catholic, he stated this in his book Mein Kampf. This is a fact.

You gotta be dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe Hitler was a Christian. :lol:

Or to believe you are one. JK Whatever. Hitler was raised Catholic and considered becoming a priest when he was in 6th grade, he later lapsed, but maintained a belief through his reign that God spoke through him and his actions were Godly actions.

knuckle-dragger · Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

I have a question. It sounds like people are saying that Hitler wasn't Christian because his actions don't fit in with the morals of Christianity. But it also sounds like people have said that Islam is evil because of the actions of people claiming to follow it. So, the actions of a person define if they're Christian, but the actions of a person claiming to be Muslim define Islam?

I'm not sure if that's what people are trying to say, but that's the message I'm getting from this.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6804 Location: Ohio

Quote:

if you don't want to consider him a catholic, since many catholics do that, then you can't ignore or deny that he was a christian....

No s**t. He was Lutheran, as was most of Germany.

Quote: Yes, Hitler was a catholic, he stated this in his book Mein Kampf. This is a fact.

Show me a link.

Quote:
You gotta be dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe Hitler was a Christian.

What? If one person can say that the Genesis story of creation was not ment to be taken literally (as in, the earth is 6,000 years old), then why can't someone say that the New Testament's teachings were not ment to be taken literally?

Not to mention the fact that the s**t in the bible could mean anything, seeing as it's being translated from a completely different language (note the many different translations of the bible), written 2,000 years ago.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15408 Location: Florida

airo wrote: Wait, why do members of a religion need religious freedoms?

Being religiously free implies the ability to deviate from a specific religion, and believe what you want to believe. If everyone is Muslim, why do you need religious freedom?

By definition, every religion is against religious freedoms.

Yes, but very few advocate death for those that convert to another religion.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15408 Location: Florida

Muslima wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: ...Hitler was not Catholic. In fact, Catholics were sent to the death camps.

http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rants/0420a-almanac.htm

http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

if you don't want to consider him a catholic, since many catholics do that, then you can't ignore or deny that he was a christian....

Of course we can.

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

knuckle-dragger wrote: I have a question. It sounds like people are saying that Hitler wasn't Christian because his actions don't fit in with the morals of Christianity. But it also sounds like people have said that Islam is evil because of the actions of people claiming to follow it. So, the actions of a person define if they're Christian, but the actions of a person claiming to be Muslim define Islam?

I'm not sure if that's what people are trying to say, but that's the message I'm getting from this.
100% I agree - smart note .

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: Yes, Hitler was a catholic, he stated this in his book Mein Kampf. This is a fact.
Show me a link.
I'm not sure where I read this, but I will look for it and post it here, I don't claim I read his book though it seems now interesting to read this book :)

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

Quote: What? If one person can say that the Genesis story of creation was not ment to be taken literally (as in, the earth is 6,000 years old), then why can't someone say that the New Testament's teachings were not ment to be taken literally?

Not to mention the fact that the s**t in the bible could mean anything, seeing as it's being translated from a completely different language (note the many different translations of the bible), written 2,000 years ago.

What does any of that (wrong as it may be)...have to do with Hitler being a Christian?

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22954

knuckle-dragger wrote: I have a question. It sounds like people are saying that Hitler wasn't Christian because his actions don't fit in with the morals of Christianity. But it also sounds like people have said that Islam is evil because of the actions of people claiming to follow it. So, the actions of a person define if they're Christian, but the actions of a person claiming to be Muslim define Islam?

I'm not sure if that's what people are trying to say, but that's the message I'm getting from this.

I personally don't believe that Hitler was a Christian because he was an occultist who thought Germany needed to be brought back to it's pagan roots.

Are we to also claim that Helena Blavatsky was a Christian as well?
:lol:

But yes....the real proof that Hitler was not a Christian is in his actions.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6804 Location: Ohio

Quote: What does any of that (wrong as it may be)...have to do with Hitler being a Christian?

How is Hitler not a Christian?

Showboat · Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:18 am Post subject:

You've gotta love some people on here.

Hitler said he was Christian, but Christians say he wasn't because he was a bad man who killed people.

Osama Bin Laden says he is a Muslim, but Muslims say he isn't because he's a bad man who kills people.

How can some people say one of these statements with a straight face whilst denying the other?