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[topnut]

"SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARDENER, SAITH UNTO HIM" (John 20:15).


The whole story of the ressurection can be read here, it is very interesting interpretation of the ressurection...it is a must read as it sheds some light on the reason I've started this thread.


http://jamaat.net/stone/TheStone.html

[Hyde]

topnut wrote: "SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARDENER, SAITH UNTO HIM" (John 20:15).


The whole story of the ressurection can be read here, it is very interesting interpretation of the ressurection...it is a must read as it sheds some light on the reason I've started this thread.


http://jamaat.net/stone/TheStone.html

ah!!! i used to know this one. i think it was something like he wanted to see if his disciples believe that he could be resurected or something like that.

[LetsGetReal]

Hyde wrote: topnut wrote: "SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARDENER, SAITH UNTO HIM" (John 20:15).


The whole story of the ressurection can be read here, it is very interesting interpretation of the ressurection...it is a must read as it sheds some light on the reason I've started this thread.


http://jamaat.net/stone/TheStone.html

ah!!! i used to know this one. i think it was something like he wanted to see if his disciples believe that he could be resurected or something like that. Way to take it to another link to get people to not read what I posted there.

John 20: 15-17 wrote: 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him." 16Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher). 17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' " She hadn't seen his face yet that is why she thought gardener :roll:.

[Hyde]

LetsGetReal wrote: Hyde wrote: topnut wrote: "SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARDENER, SAITH UNTO HIM" (John 20:15).


The whole story of the ressurection can be read here, it is very interesting interpretation of the ressurection...it is a must read as it sheds some light on the reason I've started this thread.


http://jamaat.net/stone/TheStone.html

ah!!! i used to know this one. i think it was something like he wanted to see if his disciples believe that he could be resurected or something like that. Way to take it to another link to get people to not read what I posted there.

John 20: 15-17 wrote: 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him." 16Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher). 17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' " She hadn't seen his face yet that is why she thought gardener :roll:.

that is probaly it.

[cap'n queasy]

One theory I heard that I thought was interesting is that they ripped His beard out and scarred Him up pretty good and he looked different.

If you have ever known anyone who had a beard who shaved it off one day you can see how this mistake could easily be made.

Anyway it says they did not recognize Him, not that He disguised Himself.

Which is not surprising considering they thought He was dead. Which is what I think it was.

[toddytodd]

cap'n queasy wrote:

Anyway it says they did not recognize Him, not that He disguised Himself.


I agree. I would imagine she was still upset and not thinking clearly being her friend was dead (and some people I am sure would think, her husband), so she probably wasn't very tuned into her surroundings at the time and just saw some guy walking around at first and made an assumption.

[topnut]

toddytodd wrote: cap'n queasy wrote:

Anyway it says they did not recognize Him, not that He disguised Himself.


I agree. I would imagine she was still upset and not thinking clearly being her friend was dead (and some people I am sure would think, her husband), so she probably wasn't very tuned into her surroundings at the time and just saw some guy walking around at first and made an assumption.

GET A GRIP! Is that the best you can come up with?

She just saw some guy walking around? NOOOOO

She asked him, supposing to be the gardener....you can't get past that.

Christians will fight tooth and nail without accepting whats right there in fornt of them if it goies against their beliefs.

[topnut]

cap'n queasy wrote: One theory I heard that I thought was interesting is that they ripped His beard out and scarred Him up pretty good and he looked different.

If you have ever known anyone who had a beard who shaved it off one day you can see how this mistake could easily be made.

Anyway it says they did not recognize Him, not that He disguised Himself.

Which is not surprising considering they thought He was dead. Which is what I think it was.


As I indicated in the last post that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Here are the proofs in very brief. They can be more lengthy explanations, but i have tried to give ref. only from the New Testament. Because of volume and time i reduce them into as brief as possible. I ask God's grace for the realization of the truth.


1) Jesus remained on the cross for few hours only (according to New Testament it was approximately 3 hours, from noon till three). The death by crucifixion takes time, as it’s a painful but slow death.


2) The two men crucified with Jesus were still alive when taken down from the cross.

3) The breaking of legs was done to the two criminals, but dispensed with in the case of Jesus.

4) The side of Jesus was pierced and blood rushed out which was a sign of life.

5) Even Pilate didn’t believe that Jesus actually died in so short time. Read here Mark 15:44, Pilate was surprised that he was already dead (because they knew very well that so quickly a person can not die on the cross).

6) Jesus was not buried like the two criminals, but was given into the charge of a wealthy disciple of his, who lavished care upon him and put him in a spacious room hewn in the side of the rock.

7) When the tomb was seen on the third day, the stone was found to have been removed from its mouth, which would not have been the case if there had been a supernatural resurrection.

8) Mary Magdalene, when she saw him took him for gardener (John 20:15), which is only and only because Jesus disguised himself as a gardener. Such disguise would not have been the case if Jesus had risen from the dead.

9) It was in the same body and flesh that the disciples saw Jesus and the wounds were still there deep enough for a man to thrust his hand in. He even told to the disciples in his own words (Luke 24:38-39) Then he said to them “Why are you frightened and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and my feet, its me! (there were sign of wound from crucifixion on hands and feet still then). Jesus continued, “Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones like you see I have.”

10) He still felt hunger and ate with the disciples (Luke 24: 39-43)

11) Jesus Christ undertook a journey to Galilee with two of his disciples walking side by side with him, which shows that he was flying for refuge, for if his object had been to rise to heaven he would not have undertaken a journey to Galilee. Read in Luke 24:14 that Jesus himself was walking in disguise with the disciples who even didn’t recognize him at first.

12) In all post-crucifixion appearances Jesus is found concealing and hiding himself as if he feared being discovered.

13) Jesus prayed the whole night (before his arrest) to God to be saved. Read in Matthew (26:39) Jesus prayed this beautiful prayer to save him, “My Father, if possible let his cup (which symbolize suffering and death) pass from me! Yet not what I will, but what You will.” Ponder carefully about the words. These are the words of total surrender of a devotee to the Beloved and Jesus not having any father used to call God as his father.

14) His prayers were answered by the Lord in Heaven and it was a splendid way Lord saved Jesus.

15) The cry at the cross before Jesus lost consciousness which people took by mistake as death was, My God, my God, why hast Thou Forsaken me?”. Read Heb 5:7 where it is said, “When he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him who was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.”

This is most probably what happened (God knows the best), Jesus was made to carry the cross (John 19:17) and was beaten severely with a whip before prelude to crucifixion, known to the Romans as verberatio mentioned in Matt 27.26, Mark 15:15, John 19:1. As result he became weak from trauma and loss of blood. He didn’t sleep the night before as he prayed deeply to God (and few nights as well as he was moving constantly). And also due to the pain and trauma at the cross Jesus lost consciousness and went into a coma. The enemies of Jesus thought he died. He was taken down by one of the disciple. (This is exactly how the plan of God executed in His grace). But in actuality Jesus was taken care very carefully.

He gained back his consciousness. Took disguise as a gardener and this is when Mary Magdalene saw him, she couldn’t recognize him. And in clear voice when Mary wanted to embrace him, Jesus said, “I have not gone to Father yet”. Going to Father means journey after death. This clearly signifies that Jesus himself said that he didn’t die (offcourse church has its own interpretation).

Jesus most probably left Jerusalem leaving the work to James and Mary Magdalene. And where did he go?

Research shows that Jesus went to India. And it was not for the first time he went to India. Many scholars believe that Jesus went to India even before. The time of his life about which all the gospels are mysteriously silent is the time we are talking about.

Many of the philosophies that Jesus talked as discovered in Gnostic Gospels and other Mystic Gospels, it is more clear that Jesus had influence of Eastern Thoughts. And many believe he learned them from the Buddhist and Vedantis (Hindus) of India where he spent some part of his life.

The second coming of Jesus and how it might happen is also interesting. What Da Vinci give hints (about the blood line of Jesus Christ) may well have relationship with the second coming. But for that part you have to wait for some more days.

I will try put more info about Christ’s going to India in the next post. There are life long researches from many scholars on the topic as well.


Why so little about Jesus’s departure:
In Mark there was no original description of Jesus’s departure. The additional texts were added later. you can see the footnote at the ends of Mark in any standard Bible

The chruch teaches that Jesus ascended to heaven, which if happened in reality would be given in great detail to strengthen the faith of the believers in Jesus. But such a supposedly magnificent event is writteen just in few lines. Thats something to ponder.

In Luke its ends like this:
24:50 Then Jesus led them out as far as Bethany and lifting up his hands, he blessed them. Now during the blessing he departed.

Look carefully in New Testament the following line, “and was taken up into heaven” was not even in the original text and its written in footnote. It was added later on to make false doctrines.

Very significant conversation with Mary Magdalene:
From John 20:24-17 : “She turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus.”

Now Jesus himself said that he was not ghost (Luke 24:38-39) or spirit in his post crucifixion appearance. Yet Magdalene didn’t recognize him though she was a close companion and a beloved one. What does it indicate?

Jesus was simply taking disguise to avoid re-capture and more chaos.

Now continue reading pls, John 20:16 : Jesus said to her, “Mary”.
She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have NOT yet ascended to my Father (this is the most striking proof from Christ’s own word that he confirmed that he didn’t die on the cross)

May God bless Jesus and let you receive the truth in complete submission to the TRUTH. Amen

[LetsGetReal]

You are a very disturbed man aren't you. Here I'll post the specific part you need to read so you can't miss it. Quote: She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Do you see that part now she turned to him, or are you trying to say she did a complete circle when she turned.

Also I will repeat again your site says a Hebrew translation when it was written in GREEK!!

[topnut]

LetsGetReal wrote: You are a very disturbed man aren't you. Here I'll post the specific part you need to read so you can't miss it. Quote: She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Do you see that part now she turned to him, or are you trying to say she did a complete circle when she turned.

Also I will repeat again your site says a Hebrew translation when it was written in GREEK!!

why don't you read my essay so you could see what it is I am talking about/

are you afraid to know the truth?

[topnut]

LetsGetReal wrote: You are a very disturbed man aren't you. Here I'll post the specific part you need to read so you can't miss it. Quote: She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Do you see that part now she turned to him, or are you trying to say she did a complete circle when she turned.

Also I will repeat again your site says a Hebrew translation when it was written in GREEK!!


As I indicated in the last post that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Here are the proofs in very brief. They can be more lengthy explanations, but i have tried to give ref. only from the New Testament. Because of volume and time i reduce them into as brief as possible. I ask God's grace for the realization of the truth.


1) Jesus remained on the cross for few hours only (according to New Testament it was approximately 3 hours, from noon till three). The death by crucifixion takes time, as it’s a painful but slow death.


2) The two men crucified with Jesus were still alive when taken down from the cross.

3) The breaking of legs was done to the two criminals, but dispensed with in the case of Jesus.

4) The side of Jesus was pierced and blood rushed out which was a sign of life.

5) Even Pilate didn’t believe that Jesus actually died in so short time. Read here Mark 15:44, Pilate was surprised that he was already dead (because they knew very well that so quickly a person can not die on the cross).

6) Jesus was not buried like the two criminals, but was given into the charge of a wealthy disciple of his, who lavished care upon him and put him in a spacious room hewn in the side of the rock.

7) When the tomb was seen on the third day, the stone was found to have been removed from its mouth, which would not have been the case if there had been a supernatural resurrection.

8) Mary Magdalene, when she saw him took him for gardener (John 20:15), which is only and only because Jesus disguised himself as a gardener. Such disguise would not have been the case if Jesus had risen from the dead.

9) It was in the same body and flesh that the disciples saw Jesus and the wounds were still there deep enough for a man to thrust his hand in. He even told to the disciples in his own words (Luke 24:38-39) Then he said to them “Why are you frightened and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and my feet, its me! (there were sign of wound from crucifixion on hands and feet still then). Jesus continued, “Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones like you see I have.”

10) He still felt hunger and ate with the disciples (Luke 24: 39-43)

11) Jesus Christ undertook a journey to Galilee with two of his disciples walking side by side with him, which shows that he was flying for refuge, for if his object had been to rise to heaven he would not have undertaken a journey to Galilee. Read in Luke 24:14 that Jesus himself was walking in disguise with the disciples who even didn’t recognize him at first.

12) In all post-crucifixion appearances Jesus is found concealing and hiding himself as if he feared being discovered.

13) Jesus prayed the whole night (before his arrest) to God to be saved. Read in Matthew (26:39) Jesus prayed this beautiful prayer to save him, “My Father, if possible let his cup (which symbolize suffering and death) pass from me! Yet not what I will, but what You will.” Ponder carefully about the words. These are the words of total surrender of a devotee to the Beloved and Jesus not having any father used to call God as his father.

14) His prayers were answered by the Lord in Heaven and it was a splendid way Lord saved Jesus.

15) The cry at the cross before Jesus lost consciousness which people took by mistake as death was, My God, my God, why hast Thou Forsaken me?”. Read Heb 5:7 where it is said, “When he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him who was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.”

This is most probably what happened (God knows the best), Jesus was made to carry the cross (John 19:17) and was beaten severely with a whip before prelude to crucifixion, known to the Romans as verberatio mentioned in Matt 27.26, Mark 15:15, John 19:1. As result he became weak from trauma and loss of blood. He didn’t sleep the night before as he prayed deeply to God (and few nights as well as he was moving constantly). And also due to the pain and trauma at the cross Jesus lost consciousness and went into a coma. The enemies of Jesus thought he died. He was taken down by one of the disciple. (This is exactly how the plan of God executed in His grace). But in actuality Jesus was taken care very carefully.

He gained back his consciousness. Took disguise as a gardener and this is when Mary Magdalene saw him, she couldn’t recognize him. And in clear voice when Mary wanted to embrace him, Jesus said, “I have not gone to Father yet”. Going to Father means journey after death. This clearly signifies that Jesus himself said that he didn’t die (offcourse church has its own interpretation).

Jesus most probably left Jerusalem leaving the work to James and Mary Magdalene. And where did he go?

Research shows that Jesus went to India. And it was not for the first time he went to India. Many scholars believe that Jesus went to India even before. The time of his life about which all the gospels are mysteriously silent is the time we are talking about.

Many of the philosophies that Jesus talked as discovered in Gnostic Gospels and other Mystic Gospels, it is more clear that Jesus had influence of Eastern Thoughts. And many believe he learned them from the Buddhist and Vedantis (Hindus) of India where he spent some part of his life.

The second coming of Jesus and how it might happen is also interesting. What Da Vinci give hints (about the blood line of Jesus Christ) may well have relationship with the second coming. But for that part you have to wait for some more days.

I will try put more info about Christ’s going to India in the next post. There are life long researches from many scholars on the topic as well.


Why so little about Jesus’s departure:
In Mark there was no original description of Jesus’s departure. The additional texts were added later. you can see the footnote at the ends of Mark in any standard Bible

The chruch teaches that Jesus ascended to heaven, which if happened in reality would be given in great detail to strengthen the faith of the believers in Jesus. But such a supposedly magnificent event is writteen just in few lines. Thats something to ponder.

In Luke its ends like this:
24:50 Then Jesus led them out as far as Bethany and lifting up his hands, he blessed them. Now during the blessing he departed.

Look carefully in New Testament the following line, “and was taken up into heaven” was not even in the original text and its written in footnote. It was added later on to make false doctrines.

Very significant conversation with Mary Magdalene:
From John 20:24-17 : “She turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus.”

Now Jesus himself said that he was not ghost (Luke 24:38-39) or spirit in his post crucifixion appearance. Yet Magdalene didn’t recognize him though she was a close companion and a beloved one. What does it indicate?

Jesus was simply taking disguise to avoid re-capture and more chaos.

Now continue reading pls, John 20:16 : Jesus said to her, “Mary”.
She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have NOT yet ascended to my Father (this is the most striking proof from Christ’s own word that he confirmed that he didn’t die on the cross)

May God bless Jesus and let you receive the truth in complete submission to the TRUTH. Amen

[LetsGetReal]

topnut wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: You are a very disturbed man aren't you. Here I'll post the specific part you need to read so you can't miss it. Quote: She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Do you see that part now she turned to him, or are you trying to say she did a complete circle when she turned.

Also I will repeat again your site says a Hebrew translation when it was written in GREEK!!

why don't you read my essay so you could see what it is I am talking about/

are you afraid to know the truth? Can anyone else see the bolded terms I have posted because obviously his disbelief will not allow him to. And why are you not addressing the language that the site in question says was written in John when it was not. Please read the bolded words or do you not want to know the truth.

[topnut]

LetsGetReal wrote: topnut wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: You are a very disturbed man aren't you. Here I'll post the specific part you need to read so you can't miss it. Quote: She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Do you see that part now she turned to him, or are you trying to say she did a complete circle when she turned.

Also I will repeat again your site says a Hebrew translation when it was written in GREEK!!

why don't you read my essay so you could see what it is I am talking about/

are you afraid to know the truth? Can anyone else see the bolded terms I have posted because obviously his disbelief will not allow him to. And why are you not addressing the language that the site in question says was written in John when it was not. Please read the bolded words or do you not want to know the truth.

what does Jesus say to here when she DOES recognise him? YES, after she turns to him and says Rabboni. He says, " I have not yet ascended unto my father" He's telling her plain as day he didn't die. Now what malarky are you going to come up with?

[topnut]

ARE YOU NOT GOING TO READ THE SECOND ESSAY? IT DOESN'T MENTION A WORD OF HEBREW OR GREEK.

[cap'n queasy]

LGR, to the person of the earth it is a fantastic proposition that a man could be resurrected. They don't understand that it would take something miraculous like that to get attention from some of the people on Earth.

And they don't believe it is possible. They refuse to consider the possibility that what they can see is not all of what exists. And thus they seek a natural explanation for a miracle so they can dismiss it and continue on their way without worrying about it any more.

You can't really blame them. They don't have the Spirit and they are not open to the possibility. All you can do is tell them about it and let the Spirit do it's work if that is what is going to happen. You can't really expect to logically convince someone of this. It is something that defies logic.

[MJB]

topnut wrote: what does Jesus say to here when she DOES recognise him? YES, after she turns to him and says Rabboni. He says, " I have not yet ascended unto my father" He's telling her plain as day he didn't die. Now what malarky are you going to come up with?

Jesus told Mary that he hadn't yet ascended to his Father in Heaven because he hadn't. According to the scriptural record, Jesus didn't ascend into heaven until after his resurrection. Between his death and resurrection, Jesus went to paradise, where he taught the spirits in prison.

Paradise is not heaven, but is the place where the spirits of the dead reside, awaiting the time of their resurrection. It is only after the resurrection that man stands before God to be judged, and then receives his heavenly (or otherwise) reward.

[drobforever]

cap'n queasy wrote:

They don't have the Spirit and they are not open to the possibility. All you can do is tell them about it and let the Spirit do it's work if that is what is going to happen.


The Holy Spirit won't be onto them until they believe, so either you're talking about another Spirit, or that you're not thinking clearly on this one. Also the fact of the matter is, you don't want to convince people this way. It's not convincing at all. If they don't listen you'd say, oh the Spirit hasn't worked on them yet. If they listen you'd say, hey the Spirit does it. It's meaningless, because there's no explanatory power or predictive power using this argument. If you have a reasonable argument to convince them, say it, don't rely on an empty statement.

Quote:
You can't really expect to logically convince someone of this. It is something that defies logic.

That's also not true. There are many people in this world that become Christian because they think the Bible is reasonable. And that requires logic. Jesus' resurrection can still be talked about logically even though the event itself is a miracle. If you keep on insisting that this can't be talked about logically you're just making non-believers feel more skyptical. Try to address their concerns with logic, and if you find that difficult, tell them that you don't fully understands the logic but you still believe.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: If you have a reasonable argument to convince them, say it

Why are you asking me to find a reasonable argument to convince folks of something that defies reason?

There is no possibility of a reasonable argument.

Which is precisely why the scripture says this:
Quote: 1Co 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

And this:
Quote: 1Co 1:18 -
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Why did YHWH choose this seemingly unreasonable path?
Quote: 1 Co 1:26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no man may boast before God. 30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

[topnut]

MJB wrote: topnut wrote: what does Jesus say to here when she DOES recognise him? YES, after she turns to him and says Rabboni. He says, " I have not yet ascended unto my father" He's telling her plain as day he didn't die. Now what malarky are you going to come up with?

Jesus told Mary that he hadn't yet ascended to his Father in Heaven because he hadn't. According to the scriptural record, Jesus didn't ascend into heaven until after his resurrection. Between his death and resurrection, Jesus went to paradise, where he taught the spirits in prison.

Paradise is not heaven, but is the place where the spirits of the dead reside, awaiting the time of their resurrection. It is only after the resurrection that man stands before God to be judged, and then receives his heavenly (or otherwise) reward.


omg you people are willing to come up with anything to save your precious fantasies.

[topnut]

Are you guys going to continue and ignore the essay? It doesn't say anything about Hebrew or Greek?

Here it is, one more time.


As I indicated in the last post that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Here are the proofs in very brief. They can be more lengthy explanations, but i have tried to give ref. only from the New Testament. Because of volume and time i reduce them into as brief as possible. I ask God's grace for the realization of the truth.


1) Jesus remained on the cross for few hours only (according to New Testament it was approximately 3 hours, from noon till three). The death by crucifixion takes time, as it’s a painful but slow death.


2) The two men crucified with Jesus were still alive when taken down from the cross.

3) The breaking of legs was done to the two criminals, but dispensed with in the case of Jesus.

4) The side of Jesus was pierced and blood rushed out which was a sign of life.

5) Even Pilate didn’t believe that Jesus actually died in so short time. Read here Mark 15:44, Pilate was surprised that he was already dead (because they knew very well that so quickly a person can not die on the cross).

6) Jesus was not buried like the two criminals, but was given into the charge of a wealthy disciple of his, who lavished care upon him and put him in a spacious room hewn in the side of the rock.

7) When the tomb was seen on the third day, the stone was found to have been removed from its mouth, which would not have been the case if there had been a supernatural resurrection.

8) Mary Magdalene, when she saw him took him for gardener (John 20:15), which is only and only because Jesus disguised himself as a gardener. Such disguise would not have been the case if Jesus had risen from the dead.

9) It was in the same body and flesh that the disciples saw Jesus and the wounds were still there deep enough for a man to thrust his hand in. He even told to the disciples in his own words (Luke 24:38-39) Then he said to them “Why are you frightened and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and my feet, its me! (there were sign of wound from crucifixion on hands and feet still then). Jesus continued, “Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones like you see I have.”

10) He still felt hunger and ate with the disciples (Luke 24: 39-43)

11) Jesus Christ undertook a journey to Galilee with two of his disciples walking side by side with him, which shows that he was flying for refuge, for if his object had been to rise to heaven he would not have undertaken a journey to Galilee. Read in Luke 24:14 that Jesus himself was walking in disguise with the disciples who even didn’t recognize him at first.

12) In all post-crucifixion appearances Jesus is found concealing and hiding himself as if he feared being discovered.

13) Jesus prayed the whole night (before his arrest) to God to be saved. Read in Matthew (26:39) Jesus prayed this beautiful prayer to save him, “My Father, if possible let his cup (which symbolize suffering and death) pass from me! Yet not what I will, but what You will.” Ponder carefully about the words. These are the words of total surrender of a devotee to the Beloved and Jesus not having any father used to call God as his father.

14) His prayers were answered by the Lord in Heaven and it was a splendid way Lord saved Jesus.

15) The cry at the cross before Jesus lost consciousness which people took by mistake as death was, My God, my God, why hast Thou Forsaken me?”. Read Heb 5:7 where it is said, “When he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him who was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.”

This is most probably what happened (God knows the best), Jesus was made to carry the cross (John 19:17) and was beaten severely with a whip before prelude to crucifixion, known to the Romans as verberatio mentioned in Matt 27.26, Mark 15:15, John 19:1. As result he became weak from trauma and loss of blood. He didn’t sleep the night before as he prayed deeply to God (and few nights as well as he was moving constantly). And also due to the pain and trauma at the cross Jesus lost consciousness and went into a coma. The enemies of Jesus thought he died. He was taken down by one of the disciple. (This is exactly how the plan of God executed in His grace). But in actuality Jesus was taken care very carefully.

He gained back his consciousness. Took disguise as a gardener and this is when Mary Magdalene saw him, she couldn’t recognize him. And in clear voice when Mary wanted to embrace him, Jesus said, “I have not gone to Father yet”. Going to Father means journey after death. This clearly signifies that Jesus himself said that he didn’t die (offcourse church has its own interpretation).

Jesus most probably left Jerusalem leaving the work to James and Mary Magdalene. And where did he go?

Research shows that Jesus went to India. And it was not for the first time he went to India. Many scholars believe that Jesus went to India even before. The time of his life about which all the gospels are mysteriously silent is the time we are talking about.

Many of the philosophies that Jesus talked as discovered in Gnostic Gospels and other Mystic Gospels, it is more clear that Jesus had influence of Eastern Thoughts. And many believe he learned them from the Buddhist and Vedantis (Hindus) of India where he spent some part of his life.

The second coming of Jesus and how it might happen is also interesting. What Da Vinci give hints (about the blood line of Jesus Christ) may well have relationship with the second coming. But for that part you have to wait for some more days.

I will try put more info about Christ’s going to India in the next post. There are life long researches from many scholars on the topic as well.


Why so little about Jesus’s departure:
In Mark there was no original description of Jesus’s departure. The additional texts were added later. you can see the footnote at the ends of Mark in any standard Bible

The chruch teaches that Jesus ascended to heaven, which if happened in reality would be given in great detail to strengthen the faith of the believers in Jesus. But such a supposedly magnificent event is writteen just in few lines. Thats something to ponder.

In Luke its ends like this:
24:50 Then Jesus led them out as far as Bethany and lifting up his hands, he blessed them. Now during the blessing he departed.

Look carefully in New Testament the following line, “and was taken up into heaven” was not even in the original text and its written in footnote. It was added later on to make false doctrines.

Very significant conversation with Mary Magdalene:
From John 20:24-17 : “She turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus.”

Now Jesus himself said that he was not ghost (Luke 24:38-39) or spirit in his post crucifixion appearance. Yet Magdalene didn’t recognize him though she was a close companion and a beloved one. What does it indicate?

Jesus was simply taking disguise to avoid re-capture and more chaos.

Now continue reading pls, John 20:16 : Jesus said to her, “Mary”.
She turned and said to him Aramaic “Rabboni (meaning teacher). Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have NOT yet ascended to my Father (this is the most striking proof from Christ’s own word that he confirmed that he didn’t die on the cross)

May God bless Jesus and let you receive the truth in complete submission to the TRUTH. Amen