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alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1496

I personally like the idea of the smart gun, a gun that can only be fired by me, or someone I designate. I look forward to the innovations that can make it possible. However I do not like the idea of making a law that requires all guns be smart guns. Its not feasable yet, and we don't need it.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

alclarkey wrote: I personally like the idea of the smart gun, a gun that can only be fired by me, or someone I designate. I look forward to the innovations that can make it possible. However I do not like the idea of making a law that requires all guns be smart guns. Its not feasable yet, and we don't need it.

Most gun owners who are also parents would love smart guns. I would love a pistol that I could program for only my wife and myself.

Reverend_HellH0und · Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 12822 Location: Moving on......

I am against any mandatory smart system...

Option on some weapons as a consumers choice yes...

The Good Reverend will never own such a device....

Does not make tactical nor defensive sense.....

Winchester · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 7541 Location: Montana

Reverend_HellH0und wrote: I am against any mandatory smart system...

Option on some weapons as a consumers choice yes...

The Good Reverend will never own such a device....

Does not make tactical nor defensive sense.....

^What he said.

I would never in a million years want such a device on any of my guns. The potential headache and possibilty of my gun not firing when I want/need it to far far outweight any possible safety factor that might be derived from such a thing.

If your worried about kids and guns in the house, lock em up and when they get old enough teach them how to safetly use them. Last thing I would want is a false sense of security with such a gun, next thing you know you left out thinking it was safe and before you know it you have an accidental discharge.

Knight · Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 838

I would rather not want to have a 'smart gun'. For one, if someone has my gun, I must have made a huge mistake. But also, I would be worried about it malfunctioning. I wouldn't want to have to send it in just to get an electric chip replaced or reprogrammed. That just would be worthless if I need to use it quickly and it malfunctions. It could be good technology for some people, but just not for me.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10200

I'm in the "NO" category as well. It's another point of failure on an life/death system. When it doesn't recognize your palm or fingerprint immediately when you need it and you squeeze the trigger and nothing happens while you get pumped full of 9mm... nah. Not for me.

My saftey is education and training... that's all I need. Smart doesn't belong on a gun, it belongs to the person using it.

Reverend_HellH0und · Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 12822 Location: Moving on......

The saftey is the brain

The finger is the application.

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14127 Location: idaho

No smart weapon for me. If the bad guy has my gun I am in serious trouble to begin with. If I am down and someone has to use my gun to save my life and they cannot I am a gonner!
Nope rather not have them.

whatchawant? · Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 18 Location: Okinawa

Well it is a good thing the gun owner isnt allowed access to the weapon according to IQ or else most gun owners would never get to shoot.
hahaha! just kiddin, yeah sounds good to me.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Reverend_HellH0und wrote: I am against any mandatory smart system...

Option on some weapons as a consumers choice yes...

The Good Reverend will never own such a device....

Does not make tactical nor defensive sense.....

The Good Reverend speaks the truth here. :lol:

Mandatory smart guns I oppose, and in a tactical situation I'd pick an "old-fashioned" gun over a smart gun, but otherwise it IS a good idea.

alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1496

Great response everyone. I have another question, does no one here believe that technology could advance to the point where a smart gun would be reliable? I do. I forsee it maybe 20- 40 years down the road. In those cases I would definitley be in the "yes" group.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

alclarkey wrote: Great response everyone. I have another question, does no one here believe that technology could advance to the point where a smart gun would be reliable? I do. I forsee it maybe 20- 40 years down the road. In those cases I would definitley be in the "yes" group.

Yes, I have no doubts that the technology can be made reliable in the next 20 yrs or so. Remington made some electrically fired ammunition a couple of years ago primarily for target shooting. The advantage--almost zero trigger pull and instantaneous firing. I think some derivative of that technology could be very usable for smart guns. On that note, does anybody here have experience with the thumbdrives that have the thumbprint security? I haven't but wonder what the experiences with those are.

Reverend_HellH0und · Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 12822 Location: Moving on......

alclarkey wrote: Great response everyone. I have another question, does no one here believe that technology could advance to the point where a smart gun would be reliable? I do. I forsee it maybe 20- 40 years down the road. In those cases I would definitley be in the "yes" group.

My Kimber is a John Browning pistol designed in 1911... There has been thousands and thousands of designs since.... LAPD, MEUSOC, SOCCOM.... The Good Reverend have all returned to it.......

95 years and still the top if not in the top 5 of "modern" pistols in service today.....

How are you going to improve on that with fancy gadgetry?

Guns don't just magically go off and if there are going to be chitlens running around the Hellh0und compound they get locked up.... Otherwise they need to be GTG.....

electronic doodadigtry no matter how good is overkill....

A blender attached to my tailgate sounds useful.... But is it?

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Reverend_HellH0und wrote: alclarkey wrote: Great response everyone. I have another question, does no one here believe that technology could advance to the point where a smart gun would be reliable? I do. I forsee it maybe 20- 40 years down the road. In those cases I would definitley be in the "yes" group.

My Kimber is a John Browning pistol designed in 1911... There has been thousands and thousands of designs since.... LAPD, MEUSOC, SOCCOM.... The Good Reverend have all returned to it.......

95 years and still the top if not in the top 5 of "modern" pistols in service today.....

How are you going to improve on that with fancy gadgetry?

Well, if they had said the revolver was the pinnacle of handgun technology, you would never have had a 1911.

Reverend_HellH0und wrote: Guns don't just magically go off and if there are going to be chitlens running around the Hellh0und compound they get locked up.... Otherwise they need to be GTG.....

So Rev, do you have (or have you had) any children around the house, or is this just a theoretical discussion.

Reverend_HellH0und wrote: electronic doodadigtry no matter how good is overkill....

That's what the Kodak company thought 10 yrs ago........

Reverend_HellH0und wrote: A blender attached to my tailgate sounds useful.... But is it?

If you attend a lot of tailgate parties it could be. It's all a matter of circumstances. For me it would be almost useless. For one of my wife's cousins, who's a rabid 'Bama fan, and tailgates every weekend in the fall, it would be a well-used car accessory.

Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

Reverend_HellH0und wrote:

A blender attached to my tailgate sounds useful.... But is it?
No, but car keys are.

Winchester · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 7541 Location: Montana

alclarkey wrote: Great response everyone. I have another question, does no one here believe that technology could advance to the point where a smart gun would be reliable? I do. I forsee it maybe 20- 40 years down the road. In those cases I would definitley be in the "yes" group.

I don't know, technology may advance to that level. If it did I have my doubts on whether the whole concept will be economically feasable though.

Even if it becomes a reality and economically feasable I still would never want all that unnecessary stuff on my guns. I believe in the KISS theory.

Reverend_HellH0und · Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 12822 Location: Moving on......

perdidochas wrote: Reverend_HellH0und wrote: alclarkey wrote: Great response everyone. I have another question, does no one here believe that technology could advance to the point where a smart gun would be reliable? I do. I forsee it maybe 20- 40 years down the road. In those cases I would definitley be in the "yes" group.

My Kimber is a John Browning pistol designed in 1911... There has been thousands and thousands of designs since.... LAPD, MEUSOC, SOCCOM.... The Good Reverend have all returned to it.......

95 years and still the top if not in the top 5 of "modern" pistols in service today.....

How are you going to improve on that with fancy gadgetry?

Well, if they had said the revolver was the pinnacle of handgun technology, you would never have had a 1911.

True.... I own a USP .40 also and its a great design (hell wait a sec its based on browning's desing)....

Seriously though I am all for evolution.... Though not gadgetry....

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Reverend_HellH0und wrote: Guns don't just magically go off and if there are going to be chitlens running around the Hellh0und compound they get locked up.... Otherwise they need to be GTG.....

So Rev, do you have (or have you had) any children around the house, or is this just a theoretical discussion.

I have on more than one occasion.... (BBQ's, relatives, whatnot)

I still have access if I need it but the compound is secure.

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Reverend_HellH0und wrote: electronic doodadigtry no matter how good is overkill....

That's what the Kodak company thought 10 yrs ago........

I agree.... Don't confuse me with a luddite.... I just don't think my bicycle would benefit from a fish ducttaped to the handlebars....

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Reverend_HellH0und wrote: A blender attached to my tailgate sounds useful.... But is it?

If you attend a lot of tailgate parties it could be. It's all a matter of circumstances. For me it would be almost useless. For one of my wife's cousins, who's a rabid 'Bama fan, and tailgates every weekend in the fall, it would be a well-used car accessory.

I tailgate and it still would not be the best application of drink mixing apparatus.....