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perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

I keep hearing references to the "American gun culture." How do you anti-gunners define that? What is wrong with it? What about it causes murder?

Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

"Gun Culture: A culture where guns are recognised as tools, respected but not feared. Where criminals are punished, but the ordinary citizen is trusted"-Quoted from a blog I read, http://www.gunculture.net.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Boneman wrote: "Gun Culture: A culture where guns are recognised as tools, respected but not feared. Where criminals are punished, but the ordinary citizen is trusted"-Quoted from a blog I read, http://www.gunculture.net.

Well, that's a positive definition. I want to know the negative anti-gun definition, as they throw around the term gun culture quite a bit.

Aqualung · Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Posts: 2260 Location: Washington

I think maybe that WOULD be a bad definition. After all, aren't guns supposed to be feared? And why should ANYBODY be trusted with a gun?!

Well, that's my attempt at being anti-gun.

Boneman · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 511

Haha, good job. I think the antis think that gun culture is when the there is a culture of obsession with the guns, they think people are infatuated with them and that they don't care about much else beside being able to "play" with their guns.

X-Shocker · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 167 Location: All around you

perdidochas wrote: I keep hearing references to the "American gun culture." How do you anti-gunners define that? What is wrong with it? What about it causes murder?

Gun = Deaths. Guns kill, not the people pulling the triggers.

That is as anti-gun as I can get.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

perdidochas wrote: I keep hearing references to the "American gun culture." How do you anti-gunners define that? What is wrong with it? What about it causes murder?

Americans are unique in the way they use guns, particularly handguns.

Canada has its own gun culture so has Switzerland and other countries but America's one is very specific.

This gun culture in America was born out of families isolated in a lawless society who used guns for hunting and protection.

This American society is no more, most Americans live now in urban areas very well policed with an average crime level for a western democratic society but the perception of crime is still the same than in the past and without a gun around American people are still thinking that they would perish in misery.

The handguns sold like never before, the murder rate went sky high and the rest is history.

It is time to update this American gun culture of yours, there is not much evidence on whether Americans who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14140 Location: idaho

Stuff the monies worth LL. You been harping on that for awhile. It does not matter whether a person gets their monies worth by your standard. What matters is the person that owns the gun is getting what they feel is the monies worth. Not stats and all your other stuff you keep throwing out here. Money is also a tool and I do not see you complaining how it's used.
UK also spends money on Iraq and their version of pork barrel politics and yet you do not complain about that.
Go see cigar smoker Galloway . Forgot he might be with his commie buddy Fido (fidel) castro. Real impressive.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: Stuff the monies worth LL. You been harping on that for awhile. It does not matter whether a person gets their monies worth by your standard. What matters is the person that owns the gun is getting what they feel is the monies worth. Not stats and all your other stuff you keep throwing out here. Money is also a tool and I do not see you complaining how it's used.
UK also spends money on Iraq and their version of pork barrel politics and yet you do not complain about that.
Go see cigar smoker Galloway . Forgot he might be with his commie buddy Fido (fidel) castro. Real impressive.

Not my standard Lilwolf, the standard of the very American National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms from the National Institute of Justice, Office of Justice Programs of the U.S. Department of Justice.

Feelings do not matter in gun control, only facts do.

I do more than complain about the war on Iraq Lilwolf but that is another topic.

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14140 Location: idaho

I still say stuff your monies worth - useless data you have on that. You cannot impose your standard of value on a gun any more than I can. To each person it is different, but you choose to believe what you will.

A life saved with a gun has proved its monies worth or can you not agree to that? Even one life saved by the use of a handgun is well worth more than the gun.
Your next argument will be but what about a thousand lives. Your data and stats are simply that compiled information that is a tool to be manipulated by those that need it for their agendas. Your agendas are personal so you use them to suit your needs. Whats different in how anyone else uses them? No difference LL.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: I still say stuff your monies worth - useless data you have on that. You cannot impose your standard of value on a gun any more than I can. To each person it is different, but you choose to believe what you will.

A life saved with a gun has proved its monies worth or can you not agree to that? Even one life saved by the use of a handgun is well worth more than the gun.
Your next argument will be but what about a thousand lives. Your data and stats are simply that compiled information that is a tool to be manipulated by those that need it for their agendas. Your agendas are personal so you use them to suit your needs. Whats different in how anyone else uses them? No difference LL.

I have data, it is all in this study Lilwolf:

Quote: The NSPOF does not provide much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

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Pzatchok · Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 7605

American Bunker/Conspiracy culture gone over board.

http://www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/298107975756745.php

And he's not the only one they have found in my area. One nut decided he would make his house a booby trapped bunker. He and his dog held off the cops for a day or so. Several shots were fired at the cops and their cars. The guy had a gas mask for his dog!! he was my next door neighbor. He shot through the house on the other side.
They let the man go two weeks after and gave him back his guns because he was off his meds at the time of the trouble.
Three days later he drove his truck through his ex-wifes front window.

Please never confuse American gun culture with these loons. By the vast majority of Americans Guns of any type are only viewed as sporting equipment. To a very small segment they are the representation of all things evil. To others they are almost holy objects that one never ever threatens. I view them as a tool, something I hunt with. As sporting equipment, what I target shoot with.