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eynon
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Eton wrote: Eynon81 wrote: Eton wrote: They are not the only bonds. How about tribal loyalty to your fellow humans. Nationalism is exclusive not inclusive.
yeah, they tried that already, and as Simon said it killed 100,000,000 people last century.........the best system to secure peace is loyalty to oneself and to your family.
What the hell are you talking about?
Nationalism and religious hatred killed millions of people not the love of our fellow man.
I'll never understand people's attachment to nationalism in the face of the untold misery it has brought.
the betterment of humanity was the excuse of virtually every tyrant of the 20th century...... |
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angusrae
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| The Somme was one of the truly horrific battles of WWI and the dead of all nations are due respect they were all fighting for causes they believed in. Eton while nationalism and religion can and have caused conflict these conflicts have often been caused by the misguided need to impose our/their rules or faith on others If you really want to blame something for War blame Human nature which in the main is confrontational |
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Eton
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angusrae wrote: Eton while nationalism and religion can and have caused conflict these conflicts have often been caused by the misguided need to impose our/their rules or faith on others If you really want to blame something for War blame Human nature which in the main is confrontational
True humans are confrontational, why I hate going to see my Scottish relatives, I feel like Cullodoning them all. Still, if we were all to recognise that nations are social constructs and see what we have in common rather than what seperates us all, things will never improve. |
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perdidochas
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Eton wrote: angusrae wrote: Eton while nationalism and religion can and have caused conflict these conflicts have often been caused by the misguided need to impose our/their rules or faith on others If you really want to blame something for War blame Human nature which in the main is confrontational
True humans are confrontational, why I hate going to see my Scottish relatives, I feel like Cullodoning them all. Still, if we were all to recognise that nations are social constructs and see what we have in common rather than what seperates us all, things will never improve.
Some sociobiologists theorize that social creatures have a need to make war with other social groups of their same species. Lion prides do it. Ants do it, etc. It is possibly a by-product of being able to unite against a common front. In other words, social creatures need an enemy in order to have intra-group cohesion. |
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Eton
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perdidochas wrote: Eton wrote: angusrae wrote: Eton while nationalism and religion can and have caused conflict these conflicts have often been caused by the misguided need to impose our/their rules or faith on others If you really want to blame something for War blame Human nature which in the main is confrontational
True humans are confrontational, why I hate going to see my Scottish relatives, I feel like Cullodoning them all. Still, if we were all to recognise that nations are social constructs and see what we have in common rather than what seperates us all, things will never improve.
Some sociobiologists theorize that social creatures have a need to make war with other social groups of their same species. Lion prides do it. Ants do it, etc. It is possibly a by-product of being able to unite against a common front. In other words, social creatures need an enemy in order to have intra-group cohesion.
I can well believe that. A depressing thought. |
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eynon
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Eton wrote: perdidochas wrote: Eton wrote: angusrae wrote: Eton while nationalism and religion can and have caused conflict these conflicts have often been caused by the misguided need to impose our/their rules or faith on others If you really want to blame something for War blame Human nature which in the main is confrontational
True humans are confrontational, why I hate going to see my Scottish relatives, I feel like Cullodoning them all. Still, if we were all to recognise that nations are social constructs and see what we have in common rather than what seperates us all, things will never improve.
Some sociobiologists theorize that social creatures have a need to make war with other social groups of their same species. Lion prides do it. Ants do it, etc. It is possibly a by-product of being able to unite against a common front. In other words, social creatures need an enemy in order to have intra-group cohesion.
I can well believe that. A depressing thought.
it's why we suffer ass-holes........ |
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