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scredstate
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Protest the UN summit |
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we need boots on the ground for this summit at the un they need to see a thousnad mad but calm american protesting the un summit next weekend
they need to know that will not be able to carry out thier plans |
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lilwolf
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd give anything for that opportunity to be there. There so called mandates will not supercede the constitution - THANK GOD. But I for one would really love to be there. :bana: :bana: |
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Boneman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Why don't you go? If people actually turned up and protested outside the UN building, it really would send a rather clear message to the UN people. |
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bigstick61
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| It's kinda far for most of us. I doubt most of us have the time and money to spare to go to New York. I'll be on vacation in South Dakota when the summit begins. |
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Jefferson
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| That is the most funny thin I have ever heard? The UN wants to do what? Protect me from gun violence? They can even protect people from machette violence. |
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OneZero
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Jefferson wrote: That is the most funny thin I have ever heard? The UN wants to do what? Protect me from gun violence? They can even protect people from machette violence.
Let's count the great UN accomplishments shall we?
Sudan
Rwanda
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Mogadishu
Food for Oil
Sex for Oil
etc etc etc.
The UN is the group that needs saving, not the rest of the world. |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: |
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OneZero wrote: Jefferson wrote: That is the most funny thin I have ever heard? The UN wants to do what? Protect me from gun violence? They can even protect people from machette violence.
Let's count the great UN accomplishments shall we?
Sudan
Rwanda
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Mogadishu
Food for Oil
Sex for Oil
etc etc etc.
The UN is the group that needs saving, not the rest of the world.
Maybe to counter that, we should count the 'great gun accomplishments':
The world: billions of dead people |
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Boneman
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Billions of gun deaths is rather extreme, seeing as less than 6 billion people have ever died, in all of human history (apparently), and do you honestly think that wars woudnt happen without guns? People didn't suddenly start fighting as soon as guns were invented, people have always killed each other and will always kill each other, taking away guns wont change that. The Rwandan genocide shows that you don't need a gun to do a lot of killing, any pointy object will kill someone just as easily as shooting them, probably less expensivley aswell. Guns have also benefitted us rather a lot, smith and wesson invented the production line, and hundreds of medical techniques were developed during wars to help soldiers survive gun shot wounds. Dont get me wrong, I don't think that outweighs the evil done using guns, but if they hadnt been done using guns, they would have been done using something else. It is rather naive to assume that guns are the cause of wars and murders. |
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britboy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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If there's one thing that people can rely on, it's that the public can't be bothered to protest. It's what keeps free speech plausable.
So, come on, let's be honest, I don't think theres a single person here that could actually be bothered to go to New York and protest. Writing on this forum is interesting, and easy. That's all we want. Let the politicians do whatever they want we'll b**** about it later down the local ... |
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OneZero
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Ssushi wrote: OneZero wrote: Jefferson wrote: That is the most funny thin I have ever heard? The UN wants to do what? Protect me from gun violence? They can even protect people from machette violence.
Let's count the great UN accomplishments shall we?
Sudan
Rwanda
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Mogadishu
Food for Oil
Sex for Oil
etc etc etc.
The UN is the group that needs saving, not the rest of the world.
Maybe to counter that, we should count the 'great gun accomplishments':
The world: billions of dead people
Whose fault is it, the gun or the person who used it? |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: |
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OneZero wrote: Ssushi wrote: OneZero wrote: Jefferson wrote: That is the most funny thin I have ever heard? The UN wants to do what? Protect me from gun violence? They can even protect people from machette violence.
Let's count the great UN accomplishments shall we?
Sudan
Rwanda
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Mogadishu
Food for Oil
Sex for Oil
etc etc etc.
The UN is the group that needs saving, not the rest of the world.
Maybe to counter that, we should count the 'great gun accomplishments':
The world: billions of dead people
Whose fault is it, the gun or the person who used it?
Who's fault was the UN issues? The UN or (SOME OF THE) the people who work for it? :roll: |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Boneman wrote: Billions of gun deaths is rather extreme, seeing as less than 6 billion people have ever died, in all of human history (apparently), and do you honestly think that wars woudnt happen without guns? People didn't suddenly start fighting as soon as guns were invented, people have always killed each other and will always kill each other, taking away guns wont change that. The Rwandan genocide shows that you don't need a gun to do a lot of killing, any pointy object will kill someone just as easily as shooting them, probably less expensivley aswell. Guns have also benefitted us rather a lot, smith and wesson invented the production line, and hundreds of medical techniques were developed during wars to help soldiers survive gun shot wounds. Dont get me wrong, I don't think that outweighs the evil done using guns, but if they hadnt been done using guns, they would have been done using something else. It is rather naive to assume that guns are the cause of wars and murders.
My point was simply; how many people have been killed by a gun? I'd say that the UN has helped more than it has not. Yet guns only harm. It was a point about one-zero's anti-UN statement rather than guns... |
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Boneman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Ssushi wrote: Boneman wrote: Billions of gun deaths is rather extreme, seeing as less than 6 billion people have ever died, in all of human history (apparently), and do you honestly think that wars woudnt happen without guns? People didn't suddenly start fighting as soon as guns were invented, people have always killed each other and will always kill each other, taking away guns wont change that. The Rwandan genocide shows that you don't need a gun to do a lot of killing, any pointy object will kill someone just as easily as shooting them, probably less expensivley aswell. Guns have also benefitted us rather a lot, smith and wesson invented the production line, and hundreds of medical techniques were developed during wars to help soldiers survive gun shot wounds. Dont get me wrong, I don't think that outweighs the evil done using guns, but if they hadnt been done using guns, they would have been done using something else. It is rather naive to assume that guns are the cause of wars and murders.
My point was simply; how many people have been killed by a gun? I'd say that the UN has helped more than it has not. Yet guns only harm. It was a point about one-zero's anti-UN statement rather than guns...
Nobodies ever been killed by a gun, theyve been killed by other people. And guns arn't all bad, theyre good fun to shoot and lots of people use them to get food. |
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OneZero
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Ssushi wrote: OneZero wrote: Ssushi wrote: OneZero wrote: Jefferson wrote: That is the most funny thin I have ever heard? The UN wants to do what? Protect me from gun violence? They can even protect people from machette violence.
Let's count the great UN accomplishments shall we?
Sudan
Rwanda
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Mogadishu
Food for Oil
Sex for Oil
etc etc etc.
The UN is the group that needs saving, not the rest of the world.
Maybe to counter that, we should count the 'great gun accomplishments':
The world: billions of dead people
Whose fault is it, the gun or the person who used it?
Who's fault was the UN issues? The UN or (SOME OF THE) the people who work for it? :roll:
But when these things keep happening you have to wonder why the UN hasn't done more to become more effective. |
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alclarkey
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Ssushi wrote: My point was simply; how many people have been killed by a gun? I'd say that the UN has helped more than it has not. Yet guns only harm.
Thats right. And who do they harm? Well if they are in the hands of good people, they harm bad people. Good people outnumber the bad. Arm all the people, and the good people will win. |
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Pearse
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| I actually cannot believe what I'm reading. The UN would be fine if it were not being constantly undermined by it's nations such as the USA. America barged into Iraq without sanction from the UN, and now in their current stalemate suffering heavy losses, they want to dump the clean up operation on the rest of us seemingly wiser UN nations. I agree with many aspects of US foreign policy - but on Iraq, its your mess you clean it up. |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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OneZero wrote: But when these things keep happening you have to wonder why the UN hasn't done more to become more effective.
But gun deaths keep on happening too... I wonder why gun laws haven't become more effective :roll: |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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alclarkey wrote: Ssushi wrote: My point was simply; how many people have been killed by a gun? I'd say that the UN has helped more than it has not. Yet guns only harm.
Thats right. And who do they harm? Well if they are in the hands of good people, they harm bad people. Good people outnumber the bad. Arm all the people, and the good people will win.
Even when a 'good person' has a gun and shoots a 'bad person', that 'good person' has just overridden the right that everyone has to a fair trial... Saying (any many people have here), that gun deaths are mainly within the criminal groups, is a poor mitigation of that person not having a trial for their crimes... |
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Knight
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Pearse wrote: I actually cannot believe what I'm reading. The UN would be fine if it were not being constantly undermined by it's nations such as the USA. America barged into Iraq without sanction from the UN, and now in their current stalemate suffering heavy losses, they want to dump the clean up operation on the rest of us seemingly wiser UN nations. I agree with many aspects of US foreign policy - but on Iraq, its your mess you clean it up.
Whoa whoa whoa... hold up there. We want to dump it on other UN nations? Hell, we could have bombed the place and left it for ruins, but no. We did not. We have spent trillions of dollars rebuilding the nation. Where did you get that idea? Yes, we are going to withdraw our troops when the nation can support itself (which looks like it will be soon), but in no way are we 'dumping it' on other nations. |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Knight wrote: Yes, we are going to withdraw our troops when the nation can support itself (which looks like it will be soon), but in no way are we 'dumping it' on other nations.
What planet are you on? The USA is building a base in Baghdad the size of Vatican City, your government is planning on being there for a long long time...
Although I agree with you that you (we as I'm a Brit), should not dump the problem that we caused on others... |
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