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[Richard Owl Mirror]

Muslima wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Muslima wrote: mendosan, since he grew up he was the most trusted person in mecca, even by the muslims!
as for women, he was not a sexual predator, since most of his women didn't have sex with him, he married them to protect them.

i also reccomend you read his biography.
but not from an anti=islamic site.

http://mohammad.islamway.com/?lang=eng

http://muhammad.net/bio/profbio.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad

since you do the truth about Mohammad why do you keep posting anti-islamic sites about him? isn't that ummmm, rude?

Dispelling falsehoods is not meant to be rude.
Besides, which of the above three links do you consider Anti-Islamic?



In every Religion, you must strip away the man-induce fascade and search out the true nuggets of wisdom that eminate directly from Our Creator.

[Muslima]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Dispelling falsehoods is not meant to be rude.

you did the opposite by posting the site with comparison.

Quote: Besides, which of the above three links do you consider Anti-Islamic?



None.

Quote: In every Religion, you must strip away the man-induce fascade and search out the true nuggets of wisdom that eminate directly from Our Creator.

yeah, I totally agree. but what Mohammad said and did his life was not man made. You believe that Jesus was perfect, he was not a sinner and whatsoever, I do too. this because god destined for him to be like that. The same applies to Mohammad too. God destined for him to be a good doer.

[John]

Quote: yeah, I totally agree. but what Mohammad said and did his life was not man made. You believe that Jesus was perfect, he was not a sinner and whatsoever, I do too. this because god destined for him to be like that. The same applies to Mohammad too. God destined for him to be a good doer.


Only God can possibly be 100% without sin.

[futurdoc]

yeah and only God or son of God doesn't know when the judgment day is right??
check mark 12:32 & Matt 24:36

and Son of God or God doesn't have the power byhimself and was only given by the SUPERIOR power over him (the fater)
have a look at John 5:19

and lot more... they the question is how can u calim that jesus is God and u r putting limitations to You God ??

what r the criteria of a God then ??
TO BE LIMITED IN POWER & knowledge ?!

[Muslima]

John wrote: Quote: yeah, I totally agree. but what Mohammad said and did his life was not man made. You believe that Jesus was perfect, he was not a sinner and whatsoever, I do too. this because god destined for him to be like that. The same applies to Mohammad too. God destined for him to be a good doer.


Only God can possibly be 100% without sin.

prophets do make mistakes, but your sentence is kind of weird, because we only know that god is our creator and he is the judge of the judgement day......all I could think of is that there is no relation between god and sin except that he created it for humans as a test.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

I would like to request any person who can read Arabic to translate this text for me please.



I hope it appears clear enough.

I recently acquired a program which is suppose to allow for typing on an english keyboard and be written in arabic.
I had to make a picture of it due to the text not being available on this site.

If it works and anyone is interested in having a copy, I can make it available.

[cool_chick]

Muslima wrote: richard......i think so but we do call some people "muwahid"(singluar) or "muwahideen" (plural)....which means believing in one god but i don't know if we use for non-muslims too.....yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god....

I thought the infidels were the Pagans, not Jews or Christians. They are nonbelievers as they dont' believe in God.

Many a-muslim has stated same to me. Do you interpret it differently?

[Muslima]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I would like to request any person who can read Arabic to translate this text for me please.



I hope it appears clear enough.

I recently acquired a program which is suppose to allow for typing on an english keyboard and be written in arabic.
I had to make a picture of it due to the text not being available on this site.

If it works and anyone is interested in having a copy, I can make it available.

the sentence is totally unclear, maybe you could tell me what were trying to write?

[Muslima]

cool_chick wrote: Muslima wrote: richard......i think so but we do call some people "muwahid"(singluar) or "muwahideen" (plural)....which means believing in one god but i don't know if we use for non-muslims too.....yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god....

I thought the infidels were the Pagans, not Jews or Christians. They are nonbelievers as they dont' believe in God.

Many a-muslim has stated same to me. Do you interpret it differently?

I think they are right, because there is another word for jews and christians, which is "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Muslima wrote: cool_chick wrote: Muslima wrote: richard......i think so but we do call some people "muwahid"(singluar) or "muwahideen" (plural)....which means believing in one god but i don't know if we use for non-muslims too.....yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god....

I thought the infidels were the Pagans, not Jews or Christians. They are nonbelievers as they dont' believe in God.

Many a-muslim has stated same to me. Do you interpret it differently?

I think they are right, because there is another word for jews and christians, which is "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god.

Quote: yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god...
How is mandatory belief in Muhammad different from:
Quote: "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god

If I am wrong (and forbidden) to worship GOD alone, unless I also agree to a mandatory partnership with Muhammad,
is that not a requirement to be "Mushrik" also ?

[skinn]

"Kafer" can also mean blasphemer, in arabic it is also used among christians ( christian bielevers call non-bielevers "kafer")

[skinn]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I would like to request any person who can read Arabic to translate this text for me please.



I hope it appears clear enough.

I recently acquired a program which is suppose to allow for typing on an english keyboard and be written in arabic.
I had to make a picture of it due to the text not being available on this site.

If it works and anyone is interested in having a copy, I can make it available.

this is not arabic, those are are arabic letters, but the language is unknown.

[Muslima]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Muslima wrote: cool_chick wrote: Muslima wrote: richard......i think so but we do call some people "muwahid"(singluar) or "muwahideen" (plural)....which means believing in one god but i don't know if we use for non-muslims too.....yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god....

I thought the infidels were the Pagans, not Jews or Christians. They are nonbelievers as they dont' believe in God.

Many a-muslim has stated same to me. Do you interpret it differently?

I think they are right, because there is another word for jews and christians, which is "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god.

Quote: yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god...
How is mandatory belief in Muhammad different from:
Quote: "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god

If I am wrong (and forbidden) to worship GOD alone, unless I also agree to a mandatory partnership with Muhammad,
is that not a requirement to be "Mushrik" also ?

no, because when you are a mushrik, you worship god and somebody or something else as god too. It is like you are worshiping two gods instead of one.

But in case of Mohammad, you are not worshiping him as god, you are confessing that he is the messenger of god.

again, the sentence you posted, some help please?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Muslima wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Muslima wrote: cool_chick wrote: Muslima wrote: richard......i think so but we do call some people "muwahid"(singluar) or "muwahideen" (plural)....which means believing in one god but i don't know if we use for non-muslims too.....yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god....

I thought the infidels were the Pagans, not Jews or Christians. They are nonbelievers as they dont' believe in God.

Many a-muslim has stated same to me. Do you interpret it differently?

I think they are right, because there is another word for jews and christians, which is "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god.

Quote: yes non-believers are who do not believe in islam because in islam you have to believe in the prophet too not only god, which is the case with many who only believe in god...
How is mandatory belief in Muhammad different from:
Quote: "Mushrik" مشرك , which means making a partner with god

If I am wrong (and forbidden) to worship GOD alone, unless I also agree to a mandatory partnership with Muhammad,
is that not a requirement to be "Mushrik" also ?

no, because when you are a mushrik, you worship god and somebody or something else as god too. It is like you are worshiping two gods instead of one.

But in case of Mohammad, you are not worshiping him as god, you are confessing that he is the messenger of god.

again, the sentence you posted, some help please?

So, how then can anyone claim the Jews are "Mushrik" ?

Also, how can I "confess that he is the messenger of god" without proof ?

[Muslima]

how can i accept that jesus is the son of god without a proof? how can i believe that jesus existed or any of the prophets before him without a proof?
read surat al-mudathir to know that mohammad is the messenger of god.
the kaabah, his grave, his sword, when he comes into a person's dream,aren't they enough? the quran speks to him and about him, isn't that enough?
believe comes from your heart when you are convinced of it.

as for the jew, they look down on god, which means that they don't approve that god is only one, indirectly.
according to what I have read, they believe that god cries everyday for them because he made them suffer and because of the sins they do and what nots. isn't that kind of "shirk" (the noun of mushrik)?

isn't believing in god is believing that He capable of anything?


again the arabic sentence, why are you ignoring?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Muslima wrote: how can i accept that jesus is the son of god without a proof? how can i believe that jesus existed or any of the prophets before him without a proof?
read surat al-mudathir to know that mohammad is the messenger of god.
the kaabah, his grave, his sword, when he comes into a person's dream,aren't they enough? the quran speks to him and about him, isn't that enough?
believe comes from your heart when you are convinced of it.

as for the jew, they look down on god, which means that they don't approve that god is only one, indirectly.
according to what I have read, they believe that god cries everyday for them because he made them suffer and because of the sins they do and what nots. isn't that kind of "shirk" (the noun of mushrik)?

isn't believing in god is believing that He capable of anything?


again the arabic sentence, why are you ignoring?

You mean this?

I typed: My name is Richard Owl Mirror

without a proof?
Nobody has PROOF, that is why one party can not make a valid claim that they have the correct version of this story.
As for your view of the JEW, What Do Jews Believe?


Quote: The closest that anyone has ever come to creating a widely-accepted list of Jewish beliefs is Rambam's thirteen principles of faith. Rambam's thirteen principles of faith, which he thought were the minimum requirements of Jewish belief, are:

G-d exists
G-d is one and unique
G-d is incorporeal
G-d is eternal
Prayer is to be directed to G-d alone and to no other
The words of the prophets are true
Moses's prophecies are true, and Moses was the greatest of the prophets
The Written Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) and Oral Torah (teachings now contained in the Talmud and other writings) were given to Moses
There will be no other Torah
G-d knows the thoughts and deeds of men
G-d will reward the good and punish the wicked
The Messiah will come
The dead will be resurrected

[Muslima]

for the jews, I didn't say the opposite. yes everyhting is true,but I am also saying that they do look down on god. It is all in the talmud.

"The words of the prohets are true", hmmmm.....doesn't that mean that the words of Mohammad are true?

as for your sentence:
My name is Richard Owl Mirror.

أدعى ريتشارد أول ميرور
أدعى My name

ريشارد Richard
أول Owl, which is بوم (boom) in Arabic.
ميرور Mirror, which is مرآة (mir'ah) in Arabic.

[programmusic]

Muslima wrote: for the jews, I didn't say the opposite. yes everyhting is true,but I am also saying that they do look down on god. It is all in the talmud.



no it isn't.

[emerald]

kaffir, only means a non-believer (in Islam), i dont ever remember using it in any insulting manner to anyone who was non muslims, and actually dont use it all that often, although sometimes people would ask me if for instance my mother was a muslim or kaffir? i dont regard that as insulting, it is simply determing whether someones faith is the same as mine or not.

Mushrik from what i understand is referred to religions such as hinduism and sikhism, where an object is prayed to and beleived to be God, it is not generally referred to jews or christians who are regarded as 'Ahl al kitab', which means people of the book.

i honestly do not understand why some of you get so sensitive as to how some muslims may regard you in terms of your belief, why do you care if i think you're a kaffir or a mushrik? it doesnt bother me when a christian tells me i'm going to hell for being a muslim, it certainly doesnt bother me when a jew beleives i am somehow inferior to them....so why do you care what i may or may not think of you? belief is a very personal thing, if you're comfortable with your own, then it wouldnt matter to you what another faith thinks of your beliefs