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[Muslima]

Onevote wrote: Muslima wrote: richard of course god has no partners

you have to believe that there only one god and the prophet called mohammad is his messenger to be a muslim Was Jesus not also his messenger?

he was his messenger, but mohammad was the last.

[John]

Muslima wrote: Onevote wrote: Muslima wrote: richard of course god has no partners

you have to believe that there only one god and the prophet called mohammad is his messenger to be a muslim Was Jesus not also his messenger?

he was his messenger, but mohammad was the last.

What was Jesus' message?

[Muslima]

the same as mohammad's.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Muslima wrote: the same as mohammad's.

Jesus and Mohammed

The lifestyles of Jesus and Mohammed contrast. The Bible records that Jesus concluded his earthly life single, poor, and nonviolent, while still being the source of many mighty miracles.

The opposite can be said of Mohammed. He had struggled through years of disappointment, but ended his earthly life having numerous wives and concubines. He had become extremely rich through military conquest and oppressive taxation of non-Muslims. Though Muslim legends ascribe miracles to Mohammed, it seems clear that the Qur'an itself admitted that he had not performed any miracles resembling those of Jesus.

http://www.soundthetrumpet.org/content/28/182/ (concise chart)

[Muslima]

for god's sake richard!

mohammad was not a sinner, yes he married 15 times, but he is not a sinner, neither did he become rich from wars......he was rich after inheriting his first's wife money but he never spent a cent on himself or his family, it all went to the poor people.

and please don't talk about wars because you people teach his wars in your military schools!

he didn't die because of poison!

he was predicted of his coming in the bibile and torah, but since both were rewritten by humans, of course he won't be mentioned.
how do you want him to be mentioned in the quran all the time when the whole holy book was directed to him?
there is "Mohammad Sura", but there is no "Jesus Sura"!

by the way, is the story of jesus in the bible the same as the story of jesus in the quran? I DON'T THINK SO.....

if i am so passtionate about you insulting the prophet, it is because i am following his morals!

hoenstly, have you tried reading his biography?

[futurdoc]

Alsalamo alekom to muslims
well first thing is that actually i dont like to get into non-productive conversations but for the sake of the argument i have to point out some points

1- it is an article of faith to believe in jesus (peace be upon him ) and no muslim is a muslim if he deosn't believe in him as
A- a powerful messenger sent by Allah
b- his miracolous birth with no male intervention
c- that he was the messiah of the jews
d- that he did many miracles by the help of the one who is in heaven I.e Allah
2-we dont need to compare between the biography of boths these messengers as the life circumstances r way different : the romans and the arabs but bith of them had delievered the same message which is " believe in one GOD and whorship him and keep his commandments

[futurdoc]

an by the way read the biography of both MOSES and MUHAMED PBUT u will find them almost the same and if u dont know let me know to explain to u

[mendosan]

Muslima wrote: for god's sake richard!

mohammad was not a sinner, yes he married 15 times, but he is not a sinner, neither did he become rich from wars......he was rich after inheriting his first's wife money but he never spent a cent on himself or his family, it all went to the poor people.

and please don't talk about wars because you people teach his wars in your military schools!

he didn't die because of poison!

he was predicted of his coming in the bibile and torah, but since both were rewritten by humans, of course he won't be mentioned.
how do you want him to be mentioned in the quran all the time when the whole holy book was directed to him?
there is "Mohammad Sura", but there is no "Jesus Sura"!

by the way, is the story of jesus in the bible the same as the story of jesus in the quran? I DON'T THINK SO.....

if i am so passtionate about you insulting the prophet, it is because i am following his morals!

hoenstly, have you tried reading his biography?

Wow, Mohamed must have been Knackered after servicing all those women, he was a sexual predator that's awesome!

[mendosan]

Quote: mohammad was not a sinner

I was under the impression he lived a bad life up until he found Allah.

[Muslima]

mendosan, since he grew up he was the most trusted person in mecca, even by the muslims!
as for women, he was not a sexual predator, since most of his women didn't have sex with him, he married them to protect them.

i also reccomend you read his biography.
but not from an anti=islamic site.

[futurdoc]

well according to the bible solemon had alomst 5,000 wives and he is a messneger for GOD and john himslef had multiple wives !! welcome to the bible

[Tepic]

5000? :shock:

[Richard Owl Mirror]

futurdoc wrote: well according to the bible solemon had alomst 5,000 wives and he is a messneger for GOD and john himslef had multiple wives !! welcome to the bible


LOL are there secret publishing companies that set out to create distorted Bibles
just so Muslims can point to them and say: "AH HA !" ?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Muslima wrote: mendosan, since he grew up he was the most trusted person in mecca, even by the muslims!
as for women, he was not a sexual predator, since most of his women didn't have sex with him, he married them to protect them.

i also reccomend you read his biography.
but not from an anti=islamic site.

http://mohammad.islamway.com/?lang=eng

http://muhammad.net/bio/profbio.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad

[Tepic]

That's possible ... there are plenty of websites that distort the Quran.

[John]

Muslima wrote: the same as mohammad's.

Really? Why isn't there any evidence of that?

[Muslima]

because the bible was re-written?

[Muslima]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Muslima wrote: mendosan, since he grew up he was the most trusted person in mecca, even by the muslims!
as for women, he was not a sexual predator, since most of his women didn't have sex with him, he married them to protect them.

i also reccomend you read his biography.
but not from an anti=islamic site.

http://mohammad.islamway.com/?lang=eng

http://muhammad.net/bio/profbio.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad

since you do the truth about Mohammad why do you keep posting anti-islamic sites about him? isn't that ummmm, rude?

[futurdoc]

Quote: LOL are there secret publishing companies that set out to create distorted Bibles
just so Muslims can point to them and say: "AH HA !" ?

LOL are there some christians that don't even read their bible??

p.s by the way i though i had typed 500 not 5000 anyhow wats the different they r way far above 15 wives

anyhow welcome to polygamy in the bible
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines


In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."


Before I present the verses from the New Testament that allow polygamy, I first would like to prove to you that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the laws of the Old Testament, and did order his followers (the Christians as we call them) to follow the laws of the Old Testament:

Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Christians always say as an excuse "Oh this law doesn't exist in the New Testament, it is only the Old Testament." Well, according to Matthew 5:17-18 above, we clearly see that Jesus honored the Old Testament, and forces Christians to follow the unmodified laws of it that have not been replaced by newer ones in the New Testament. The Old Testament as we clearly see above does indeed allow polygamy without a shadow of a doubt !!.

and this is only in the old testment whould u like to discuss the new testement allowing polygamy ??
so whats wrong with polygamy with the prophet MOHAMMAD (Peace be upon him )!!

[John]

Muslima wrote: because the bible was re-written?

But there is absolutely no evidence of the Bible being "re-written". Slight differences in translations into other languages...but no evidence at all in a change in the message.

Christianity popped up and was going strong 50 days after Christ ascended into Heaven. It had thousands of followers as early as that. Does it really make logical sense that these people who were eyewitnesses to what Jesus said got it wrong....while Mohammed who was born 600 years later got it right?


You see Muslima, God gave us the Old Testament to show us that we are sinners and need Him 100% for Salvation. Basically to show us that self-righteousness was wrong. He gave us the Law through Moses to show us just how weak we are. It is impossible to perfectly follow the Law of Moses. And the point is that in order to merit Heaven of ones own works...then that person would have to be perfect. Jesus revealed it even further; that even a thought was a sin and would cause the person to merit Hell. That perfect is perfect...no if ands or buts about it.

But!!!! Once a person has accepted the Law AND accepted that they are short of being able to keep the Law. Once they humble themselves and face the truth...then they can see that they need a Redeemer. That they need God Himself to redeem them. And that it is in His strength that we may be saved. That what Jesus did.....He (being God incarnate) was able to live His life without even thinking a sinful thought. He was perfectly in tune with God because He was One with God. God gives us the opportunity to be forgiven of our sinful nature by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus and allowing the Holy Spirit to transform you to be like Jesus. When Jesus accepts you as one of His own....you are seen as one of His by the God head...and the righteousness found in Jesus is also seen on you. And when this happen s is changes your spirit inside of you and gives you a different heart that feels different about things.


Mohammed message basically just reverts back to the state of being shown the Law....it just focuses on Arabs being the chosen people to show it this instead of Jews. You see, it's not about WHO the chosen people are...THAT isn't the message. The message is WHO GOD IS and how much He loves us.