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Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1505

Muslima wrote: tepic, i know that it is very derogatory in some texts but literally it is wrong because this word is used alot in the quran and the quran is very very well written that no one could write the same way and has very royal style in using words....
Not texts, contexts (قرنية, سياق الكِم, الحالة, according to this site?) In South Africa, 'kaffir' is an insult used on black people which is considered as offensive as 'n*gger' is in America. So be careful who you say it to ;)

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1579

honestly, i never used this word nor i am going to.
i do sometimes say bad things about people i don't like, even if they were muslims, like dirty or the b words but never kaffir.
as for the site what word did put in?

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1505

Muslima wrote: as for the site what word did put in?
'context'

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1579

oh sorry my mind was somewhere else. i feel stupid :!oops:

airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

mendosan wrote: Muslima do you consider N****r to be an adjective?

I don't know about Muslima, but i consider **** a noun.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16067 Location: On Earth

Tepic wrote: Not texts, contexts (قرنية, سياق الكِم, الحالة, according to this site?) In South Africa, 'kaffir' is an insult used on black people which is considered as offensive as 'n*gger' is in America. So be careful who you say it to

Yeah, I heard about that, from a movie called "The Color of Friendship".

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

mendosan wrote: I know its an insult if a muslim called me it id be pretty pissed off

Your in infidel, its true...

Go be pissed. The question is did i mean to insult you or not...? maybe i was just merely stating the fact.

its like a gay guy getting mad cause you call him gay.

Ill be honest i use it all the time as an insukt, like when people break promises, ill be like you kaffir. or when the lie, etc. So ya i guess i do use it as an insult(that fukin kaffir bush keeps killing muslims)...sometimes. Sometimes i mean it in a nice way(o look at the nice infedal walking don the street)..wait no i dont ever say that. so mostly i use it as an insult...

Fact of the matter is it depends on context.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Kaffir means someone who is a non-monotheist, technically.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: (o look at the nice infidel walking don the street)

Why does it seem that the more Muslims open up the more reason I have to dislike Islam? The absolutely vast majority of Christians would NEVER dream of using such sectarian language in day to day speech. What the hell is wrong with you?

airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

Robin Hood wrote: Quote: (o look at the nice infidel walking don the street)

Why does it seem that the more Muslims open up the more reason I have to dislike Islam? The absolutely vast majority of Christians would NEVER dream of using such sectarian language in day to day speech. What the hell is wrong with you?

Many Christians i talk too have no problems voicing blatent ignorance and intolerance in their every day speech. I just choose not to stereotype the religion based on their intepretation of it, or their personal beliefs.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

airo wrote: Robin Hood wrote: Quote: (o look at the nice infidel walking don the street)

Why does it seem that the more Muslims open up the more reason I have to dislike Islam? The absolutely vast majority of Christians would NEVER dream of using such sectarian language in day to day speech. What the hell is wrong with you?

Many Christians i talk too have no problems voicing blatent ignorance and intolerance in their every day speech. I just choose not to stereotype the religion based on their intepretation of it, or their personal beliefs.

Oh, come on. Ignorance is not the same as casually referring to people as infidels all the time when theyre walking down the street.

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

Quote: Why does it seem that the more Muslims open up the more reason I have to dislike Islam? The absolutely vast majority of Christians would NEVER dream of using such sectarian language in day to day speech. What the hell is wrong with you?

VAST MAJORITY! are you on crack?

Almost everyone one of my friends is either a christian or an atheist.

Plus I have never used the word "infidel" (the english word or in english)

I say kaffir, because thats what people say. OK. I lived in Kashmir from when i was born to when i was 7. It was a long time ago. But everyone refers to the indians(other side of the border), as kaffir, becuase thats what they are. the media does it. the kaffir army, the kaffir etc. Everyone does. Its like saying "Those Americans."

Today the word "american" can be used as in insult in the middle east. So im not allowed to use it. give me a break.

Maybe you dont use that langauge, but the christians i know do. Thats ones in public schools AND PRIVATE schools.

So dont make your religion sound suprior. Christian people have done alot more wrong then muslims in the name of god (IMO). Go look at the death stats, the wars, etc. far ahead in everything.

Quote: Oh, come on. Ignorance is not the same as casually referring to people as infidels all the time when theyre walking down the street

I was being sarcastic.

cant you read?

Sometimes i mean it in a nice way(o look at the nice infedal walking don the street)..wait no i dont ever say that.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: Plus I have never used the word "infidel" (the english word or in english)

Kaffir translates into infidel.

Quote: I say kaffir, because thats what people say.

No, that's what Muslism say...which doesn't say much for Muslims.

Quote: Maybe you dont use that langauge, but the christians i know do.

What they walk around calling people call 'kaffir' - I don't think so.

Quote: So dont make your religion sound suprior. Christian people have done alot more wrong then muslims in the name of god (IMO). Go look at the death stats, the wars, etc. far ahead in everything.

This is exactly what I expect. You can't take criticism so you desperately try to equivocate with something else. Christianity is not my religion, I don't have one. Nor have more crimes been committed in its name than Islam's. I really can't tell which has been worse including all history. Your ignorant attempt to deflect criticism only serves to make that criticism all the more poignant.

BTW you said you can't argue that you sue Kaffir as an insult and argue the other way around at the same time. It makes you look horribly stupid.

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

Quote: No, that's what Muslism say...which doesn't say much for Muslims.

Well ya cause its our word, whats your point? It means non-believer.

Whether its used as an insult or not, Depends on the person using it.

You Dog, can be an insult and a compliment.

Get it?

Simple.

Words can have more than two meanings.

BTW

Quote: The absolutely vast majority of Christians would NEVER dream of using such sectarian language in day to day speech.

Sorry kinda sounded like you were a christian my bad.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: Whether its used as an insult or not, Depends on the person using it.

It's an insult, plain and simple. You admitted that yourself.

airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

American's use the word N*****.

That doesn't say much for Americans.

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

Robin Hood wrote: Quote: Whether its used as an insult or not, Depends on the person using it.

It's an insult, plain and simple. You admitted that yourself. \

yeah, It CAN be used as an insult. it dosnt have to be.

Sheesh is that so hard to understand?

Glorfindel · Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 485 Location: AlRiyadh

Tepic wrote: Muslima wrote: again it is not dergatory.......and next time talk to people directly....

Again, it's very derogatory in some contexts - be careful.
link

the word Kaffir is NOT derogatory at all ... believe me ..Arabic is my first language

the word Kufr in arabic means denial or the opposite of acknowledge

even in the Qur'an God said that a believer must deny and denounce and be "kaffir" towards evil and satan ...

so the word itself is not derogatory and neither its uses...

i can also say that i became kaffir about my relationship to something when i denied its exiestense or denounced it

IT IS NOT A DEROGATORY TERM

as a muslim, i don't believe in hinduism . Thus I myself am a kaffir in the eyes of someone who believes in hinduism

I hope you all get it now

salam

Onevote · Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1688 Location: Tampa, Florida

Muslima wrote: richard of course god has no partners

you have to believe that there only one god and the prophet called mohammad is his messenger to be a muslim Was Jesus not also his messenger?

Zeeman · Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject:

Onevote wrote: Muslima wrote: richard of course god has no partners

you have to believe that there only one god and the prophet called mohammad is his messenger to be a muslim Was Jesus not also his messenger?

Yeah Jesus one of the greatest messengers of God for the Muslims.

And BTW Kaffer isnt derogatory at all and not like the other term used here by faaaarrrr