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VonHelton
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Is Christianity the only religion that's right? |
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| If that's true, then millions of Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.. will be going straight to Hell if they don't belived Christ is the only Savior? |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Is Christianity the only religion that's right? |
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VonHelton wrote: If that's true, then millions of Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.. will be going straight to Hell if they don't belived Christ is the only Savior?
IMHO, Christianity (namely the Catholic variety) is the "rightest" or most correct religion. God's the only one who can say what will happen to anybody in the afterlife. I don't presume to know. |
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mojo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Catholics believe that all people are capable of recieving God's grace. Now we do beleive that more people will recieve God's grace if you provide nourishment to your soul through the eucharist. But none the less we believe all people can go to heaven if they are good people. But really thats for God to decide. |
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Saf
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the emphasis on "salvation" in the afterlife is brought mostly by man, the church and biased interpretation of the platonic ramblings of John. Sort of a non-issue in my opinion. |
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LetsGetReal
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The only way to heaven is through Jesus John 3:16 and saf no one cares if you believe John was rambling... We all have sinned and are unworthy of heaven, but due to his sacrifice we shall recieve it if we believe him. No other way.... Please don't take this to the "What if they never heard of him" bit there are plenty of other threads dealing with that.
No one is good in the eyes of the lord.... |
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sLiPpY
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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LetsGetReal wrote: The only way to heaven is through Jesus John 3:16 and saf no one cares if you believe John was rambling... We all have sinned and are unworthy of heaven, but due to his sacrifice we shall recieve it if we believe him. No other way.... Please don't take this to the "What if they never heard of him" bit there are plenty of other threads dealing with that.
No one is good in the eyes of the lord....
Well, what about people to who the "Lord isn't good in the eyes of me?" |
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LetsGetReal
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats your choice, whats the point? |
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mojo
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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LetsGetReal wrote: The only way to heaven is through Jesus John 3:16 and saf no one cares if you believe John was rambling... We all have sinned and are unworthy of heaven, but due to his sacrifice we shall recieve it if we believe him. No other way.... Please don't take this to the "What if they never heard of him" bit there are plenty of other threads dealing with that.
No one is good in the eyes of the lord....
No God believes we are good. We are just unworthy of his excellence.
Generally people are good people and I think God understands that. |
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LetsGetReal
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Then you don't understand the biblical interpretation of good... |
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Aqualung
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Is Christianity the only religion that's right? |
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VonHelton wrote: If that's true, then millions of Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.. will be going straight to Hell if they don't belived Christ is the only Savior?
Tha'ts quite the leap of logic there.
By the way, Mormons AND Jehovah's witnesses are Christians, since they BOTH believe Chrits is the only saviour. We can debate this out in a new thread, if you'd like.
As to the question at hand, Not even all Christians are right. And as to what happens, that's a huge long answer, but in the end, EVERYBODY will have the chance to learn the gospel and to either accept or reject it. |
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LetsGetReal
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| Mormons are not Christians... |
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Aqualung
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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LetsGetReal wrote: Mormons are not Christians...
Start a thread. Go ahead. I dare you. |
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LetsGetReal
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| haha... I can't im too scared... :lol: |
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Aqualung
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LetsGetReal wrote: haha... I can't im too scared... :lol:
Yeah, apparantly, if you're going to hide in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not mormons are christians, and therefore in a thread in which I cannot discuss the issue. Perhaps you think next time before you make such uninformed, biased, and completely innaccurate claims. |
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LetsGetReal
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CrossEyedMary wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: haha... I can't im too scared... :lol:
Yeah, apparantly, if you're going to hide in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not mormons are christians, and therefore in a thread in which I cannot discuss the issue. Perhaps you think next time before you make such uninformed, biased, and completely innaccurate claims. Maybe you shouldn't believe in false prophets... The Bible is all you need and no one will ever need The Book of Mormon... |
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Aqualung
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LetsGetReal wrote: CrossEyedMary wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: haha... I can't im too scared... :lol:
Yeah, apparantly, if you're going to hide in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not mormons are christians, and therefore in a thread in which I cannot discuss the issue. Perhaps you think next time before you make such uninformed, biased, and completely innaccurate claims. Maybe you shouldn't believe in false prophets... The Bible is all you need and no one will ever need The Book of Mormon...
tsk tsk tsk. Start a thread. Seriously. You obviously have a lot to say about it. |
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Darth Tiberius
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politicalmojo wrote: Catholics believe that all people are capable of recieving God's grace. Now we do beleive that more people will recieve God's grace if you provide nourishment to your soul through the eucharist. But none the less we believe all people can go to heaven if they are good people. But really thats for God to decide.
No Cathlics believe also that your own actions in life and confession is the way to recieve forgiveness and only then do you recieve God's grace. Catholics mourn rather than celebrate their faith. |
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mojo
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Darth Tiberius wrote: politicalmojo wrote: Catholics believe that all people are capable of recieving God's grace. Now we do beleive that more people will recieve God's grace if you provide nourishment to your soul through the eucharist. But none the less we believe all people can go to heaven if they are good people. But really thats for God to decide.
No Cathlics believe also that your own actions in life and confession is the way to recieve forgiveness and only then do you recieve God's grace. Catholics mourn rather than celebrate their faith.
You would have absolutely no concept of what catholicism is. Not only do you not believe in religion, you dont even believe in God.
Catholics believe you are forgiven the moment you pray to ask for God's forgiveness. What the Catholic church also recognizes is that humans often dont make it real to themselves until they sit down with someone they can trust and talk about it. Another reason for reconciliation is that when a person sins he not only sins against God but against the body of christ which is his church. So that person in order to purify his soul for the church and God himself are suggested to go to reconciliation. The priest even takes on something called persona cristo (I think thats how its spelled). Which means that the priest is supposed to act as christ. He is supposed to both comfort and understand the person asking for forgiveness.
I like reconciliation as a sacrament. It is far and away my second favorite sacrament. It has gotten me through many tough times and has helped me grow as a person. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is Christianity the only religion that's right? |
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VonHelton wrote: If that's true, then millions of Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.. will be going straight to Hell if they don't belived Christ is the only Savior?
There is truth to every sincere human faith, I've met godly jews and muslims, BUT I think that Christianty offers the most direct way to having a realitionship with G-d. True non-legalistic Christianity that is, legalistic Christianity is almost indistigusihable from Islam in my eyes. |
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Darth Tiberius
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politicalmojo wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: politicalmojo wrote: Catholics believe that all people are capable of recieving God's grace. Now we do beleive that more people will recieve God's grace if you provide nourishment to your soul through the eucharist. But none the less we believe all people can go to heaven if they are good people. But really thats for God to decide.
No Cathlics believe also that your own actions in life and confession is the way to recieve forgiveness and only then do you recieve God's grace. Catholics mourn rather than celebrate their faith.
You would have absolutely no concept of what catholicism is. Not only do you not believe in religion, you dont even believe in God.
Catholics believe you are forgiven the moment you pray to ask for God's forgiveness. What the Catholic church also recognizes is that humans often dont make it real to themselves until they sit down with someone they can trust and talk about it. Another reason for reconciliation is that when a person sins he not only sins against God but against the body of christ which is his church. So that person in order to purify his soul for the church and God himself are suggested to go to reconciliation. The priest even takes on something called persona cristo (I think thats how its spelled). Which means that the priest is supposed to act as christ. He is supposed to both comfort and understand the person asking for forgiveness.
I like reconciliation as a sacrament. It is far and away my second favorite sacrament. It has gotten me through many tough times and has helped me grow as a person.
I grew up going to church and spent 18 years doing that while I lived with my parents. Now that I'm in my 20s I don't anymore and my childhood has been screwed by Christianity. So lets just say I have a unique perspective into what the church really does and I'm absent from the blinding effects of faith. Logic and reason is god. I also know more about religion than most.
Catholics may believe that confession is necessary but every bit of their life must be repented. And doesn't the Bible say your sins were allreadyt forgiven. It makes confession look like a chore andwork which the Bible says that works cannot save you. Hypocrisy number 1 of the Catholic regime. Also the church is never to mact as christ since Christ was supposed to be the focus. Pastors and etc are mouthpieces of Christ. Messengers. So to have a priest act as Christ and especially to have the heathens on the Vatican pretend they are God's authority on earth should be so angering for any Christian and to athiests it is just plain silly and evil. That's the Catholics hypocrisy number 2. Then praying to Mary to get favor with God? Ummm.....First commandment??!! Praying to anyone else except for god or Jesus is a big no no by the Bible.
Overall for Catholics you are to live saying you're in the Bible when actually you're far from it. Catholics are always so hooked on their confession that it is a form of submission. Submission again is a property of the canaille. It is a religion of sorrow for the Catholics where they view their faith as a chore. |
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