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FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

don't you think a political forum, which encompasses the extreme left (this being me, anarchism, of course, being the farthest left political philosophy) should also include the extreme right? Nazis and fascists are a legitimate political entity and it is a growing movement which many people support. Don't you think it would benefit the community (and mankind as well) if we allow them in so that we can deconstruct them?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6787 Location: Ohio

They are allowed.

The only problem is that normally whenever one joins the forums, they end up flaming/saying XXX race should be burned.

Bolshevik was a huge supporter of Stalinism, and was pretty damn off the wall (although I suspect he was being sarcastic).

He was never even suspended, let alone banned.

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7310 Location: Tampa, FL

Ya by their nature most Nazis would be banned pretty quickly on here. It doesn't have anything to do with them being Nazis. If a Nazi follows the rules, then the Nazi will not get banned. Simple.

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 21311 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Say no to Nazis. :-D

Listen to that Gus guy. He knows what he's talking about.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

But fascism (and I admit fascism is not always very well defined) is almost inherently racist. Maybe you could loosen up your racism rules a little. As long as they make somewhat coherent arguments, I don't see whats the problem.

Fascism is such a huge movement, especially in Eastern European countries, that I feel this forum is incomplete without them.

Aqualung · Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Posts: 2224 Location: Washington

I can see your point, Mr. MacCool. There's a difference between racist idealogies and posting ad hominem racist comments.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5071

FinnMacCool wrote: don't you think a political forum, which encompasses the extreme left (this being me, anarchism, of course, being the farthest left political philosophy) should also include the extreme right? Nazis and fascists are a legitimate political entity and it is a growing movement which many people support. Don't you think it would benefit the community (and mankind as well) if we allow them in so that we can deconstruct them?
There is no logic to their thinking; ergo, there's nothing to deconstruct.

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 21311 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Racism is inherently wrong. You can argue that if you want, but it will be for naught. Therefore, it's not allowed. Same goes for any generalizations per forum rules. Since the point of this forum is to make money (albeit very little money), we'll continue to ban racists because we'd prefer everyone else to stick around.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6787 Location: Ohio

Firstly...You have no idea what fascism is if you think it = racism.

Secondly...How the hell does this site make $?

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 21311 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Demonic Spoon wrote: Secondly...How the hell does this site make $?

Advertising. So while we don't recommend clicking on links just for the hell of it, if one of them interests you, click on it. :-D

Although I should add, "make money" isn't exactly what I'd call it. More like break even.

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7310 Location: Tampa, FL

The site would be empty if we allowed racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. We keep that away so you can enjoy debates on other stuff.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Quote:
There is no logic to their thinking; ergo, there's nothing to deconstruct.

Apparently there is logic enough for it to harness as many people as it did during the 1930s and whats its doing right now in Eastern European countries.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Gus wrote: The site would be empty if we allowed racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. We keep that away so you can enjoy debates on other stuff.

Its not true. There was another debate forum I went to that had two nazis and they actually were very racist but also inspired very interesting debates. Eventually one of them was banned not for being racist but because he attacked another member but the other one, I believe, is still around.

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7310 Location: Tampa, FL

FinnMacCool wrote: Gus wrote: The site would be empty if we allowed racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. We keep that away so you can enjoy debates on other stuff.

Its not true. There was another debate forum I went to that had two nazis and they actually were very racist but also inspired very interesting debates. Eventually one of them was banned not for being racist but because he attacked another member but the other one, I believe, is still around.
Well one example is not conclusive evidence. We've had problems with racist spammers/trollers before, and they do nothing but run people off. All it takes is one extremely annoying racist to run many people off. This website is mainly dedicated to mainstream politics, so the preservation of mainstream political debate is a higher priority.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Gus wrote: FinnMacCool wrote: Gus wrote: The site would be empty if we allowed racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. We keep that away so you can enjoy debates on other stuff.

Its not true. There was another debate forum I went to that had two nazis and they actually were very racist but also inspired very interesting debates. Eventually one of them was banned not for being racist but because he attacked another member but the other one, I believe, is still around.
Well one example is not conclusive evidence. We've had problems with racist spammers/trollers before, and they do nothing but run people off. All it takes is one extremely annoying racist to run many people off. This website is mainly dedicated to mainstream politics, so the preservation of mainstream political debate is a higher priority.

Fair enough.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20905 Location: Minnesota

Nazis, actually are socialists, and anarchists, actually, are capitalists. Maybe you're the Nazi?

In any event people who think they are Nazis or pretend to be are welcome here until they break the rules. Which they have a tendancy to do.

The reason I think neo-Nazis exist is because Nazis looked spiffy.

There are no neo-Vietcong... and they won. This is the only explination. Skinheads cannot comprehend what the National socialist party even stood for. They just looked awesome.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Quote: Nazis, actually are socialists, and anarchists, actually, are capitalists. Maybe you're the Nazi?
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

beachbum bob · Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Why Can't We Have Nazis?

FinnMacCool wrote: Quote:
There is no logic to their thinking; ergo, there's nothing to deconstruct.

Apparently there is logic enough for it to harness as many people as it did during the 1930s and whats its doing right now in Eastern European countries.

KKK inspired a following who like the idea of Saturday night lynchings...and it has almost nothing to with logic and everything to do with appealing to base hatreds...

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

beachbum bob wrote: FinnMacCool wrote: Quote:
There is no logic to their thinking; ergo, there's nothing to deconstruct.

Apparently there is logic enough for it to harness as many people as it did during the 1930s and whats its doing right now in Eastern European countries.

KKK inspired a following who like the idea of Saturday night lynchings...and it has almost nothing to with logic and everything to do with appealing to base hatreds...

Thats why I think it should be opposed here on the political crossfire. I think its bad that we're leaving these things to fester.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

John Galt wrote: Nazis, actually are socialists, and anarchists, actually, are capitalists. Maybe you're the Nazi?

In any event people who think they are Nazis or pretend to be are welcome here until they break the rules. Which they have a tendancy to do.

The reason I think neo-Nazis exist is because Nazis looked spiffy.

There are no neo-Vietcong... and they won. This is the only explination. Skinheads cannot comprehend what the National socialist party even stood for. They just looked awesome.
Hell yeah, best dressed fascists ever!