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[stix]

Comeback to
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

No, but a word processor certainly would prevent misspellings wouldn't it?

[Chymical]

So whee did you go dear sticks? I didn't notice your absense but nevertheless welcome back...

Such a fallacy and rhetorical load of excrement be the argument tht the tools do the killing. The universe is mental, the tools just facilitate the speeding of the whole process. Guns kill and pencils misspell words, but the intenions of the individal ar paramount.

Spellcheckers? bah. no substitute for proof reading SEVRAL times. only tonight relying on word it f'd me... Grilled brill on Garlci potTOES WITH RICH RED WINE JUS BECAME grilled bread on garlic potatoes with red wine just.... suffice to say, red faced my patrons delighted in the error and subsequent conversation and more tips were made and wiine purchaed hence the drunkedn tryping...

;)

alesson for all...don't trust word one bit, it's an evil bugger

[Tono]

I'd get into trouble if I said it....

[stix]

i went away, i started my own cs:s clan with 2 servers, lots of homework, qffc (quest for female companionship), etc

anyways, my point with the word processors is that we can have safeguards, protections against ppl shooting eachother, etc

[JayDubya]

There is a gun control forum.

In it, I and many others will tell you how wrong you are.

[stix]

JayDubya wrote: There is a gun control forum.

In it, I and many others will tell you how wrong you are.
damn you are new here, i'v been here for a while, i'v had many MANY debates on many many issues, i'v even been convinced i was wrong a couple times (not that hard, all you need is evidence), but you will be facing a brick wall if you want to prove me wrong. althought, i'm not sure what i'm wrong about because as far as i can tell, i never made an argument in that first post...

[JayDubya]

I never said I would or anyone else would prove anything, nor did I say I or anyone else was going to convince you.

I was just stating that the post was in the wrong forum, & that many people are willing to tell you how wrong you are should you put the post in the right place.

"You're wrong."

See? Simple. :lol:

[stix]

JayDubya wrote: I never said I would or anyone else would prove anything, nor did I say I or anyone else was going to convince you.

I was just stating that the post was in the wrong forum, & that many people are willing to tell you how wrong you are should you put the post in the right place.

"You're wrong."

See? Simple. :lol:
useless post, you don't say anything relevant at all

[JayDubya]

stix wrote: JayDubya wrote: I never said I would or anyone else would prove anything, nor did I say I or anyone else was going to convince you.

I was just stating that the post was in the wrong forum, & that many people are willing to tell you how wrong you are should you put the post in the right place.

"You're wrong."

See? Simple. :lol:
useless post, you don't say anything relevant at all

Thank you, I try. :-| Also, your comeback is not particularly relevant or perfect either.


As for safeguards, yes, it's called prosecuting people under the law for killing one another. The tool used in a murder is just as irrelevant as the motive or thoughts of the person. If someone wishes to kill someone, they can do so in a myriad of ways, and we don't punish the crime any differently. We don't prosecute the lawn tools manufacturer or ban the use of lawn tools because someone stabs someone else to death with a rake.

And now you're going to say "but a lawn tool has a purpose, the only purpose of a gun is to kill" or some such.

To which I can only say that a) home defense is a purpose and b) quote Thomas Jefferson, which you'd find probably then call redundant and trite if you've been here as long as you say and seen the quote a heaping crapton of times.

[stix]

the way i see it, murder is going to happen anyways, why not make it more difficult?

http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/suicide.html
This isn't a point that has to do with suicide, it supports my point that death is more likely when it's easier.

Quote: The risk of suicide increases dramatically when kids and teens have access to firearms at home, and nearly 60% of all suicides in the United States are committed with a gun.

[JayDubya]

stix wrote: the way i see it, murder is going to happen anyways, why not make it more difficult?

http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/suicide.html
This isn't a point that has to do with suicide, it supports my point that death is more likely when it's easier.

Quote: The risk of suicide increases dramatically when kids and teens have access to firearms at home, and nearly 60% of all suicides in the United States are committed with a gun.

That is a statistic that is quite sobering, relevant, and important, however to me it proves a different point than the one you're angling for.

RESPONSIBLE gun ownership is paramount. This means shelling out the bucks for a fingerprint safe if you have kids. A key can be stolen, a lock can be picked, a combination can be memorized. In all likelihood your child should not cut off his / her parent's thumb.

If he does, that family has other issues.

[Wolverine]

stix wrote: Comeback to
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

No, but a word processor certainly would prevent misspellings wouldn't it?
Still easy, don't use the Spell Check.

[stix]

Wolverine wrote: stix wrote: Comeback to
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

No, but a word processor certainly would prevent misspellings wouldn't it?
Still easy, don't use the Spell Check.
but what about that annoying red squigly line underneath every word? :P

[stix]

JayDubya wrote: stix wrote: the way i see it, murder is going to happen anyways, why not make it more difficult?

http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/suicide.html
This isn't a point that has to do with suicide, it supports my point that death is more likely when it's easier.

Quote: The risk of suicide increases dramatically when kids and teens have access to firearms at home, and nearly 60% of all suicides in the United States are committed with a gun.

That is a statistic that is quite sobering, relevant, and important, however to me it proves a different point than the one you're angling for.

RESPONSIBLE gun ownership is paramount. This means shelling out the bucks for a fingerprint safe if you have kids. A key can be stolen, a lock can be picked, a combination can be memorized. In all likelihood your child should not cut off his / her parent's thumb.

If he does, that family has other issues.

this is very true, how about some legislation that creates a minimum amount of safety measures such as a safe

[Wolverine]

stix wrote: Wolverine wrote: stix wrote: Comeback to
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

No, but a word processor certainly would prevent misspellings wouldn't it?
Still easy, don't use the Spell Check.
but what about that annoying red squigly line underneath every word? :P
Yeah, but that does not automatically fix the word.

I don't have to use the spell check, and criminals do not use background checks. There is really nothing preventing either party from doing either action.

[JayDubya]

stix wrote: JayDubya wrote: stix wrote: the way i see it, murder is going to happen anyways, why not make it more difficult?

http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/suicide.html
This isn't a point that has to do with suicide, it supports my point that death is more likely when it's easier.

Quote: The risk of suicide increases dramatically when kids and teens have access to firearms at home, and nearly 60% of all suicides in the United States are committed with a gun.

That is a statistic that is quite sobering, relevant, and important, however to me it proves a different point than the one you're angling for.

RESPONSIBLE gun ownership is paramount. This means shelling out the bucks for a fingerprint safe if you have kids. A key can be stolen, a lock can be picked, a combination can be memorized. In all likelihood your child should not cut off his / her parent's thumb.

If he does, that family has other issues.

this is very true, how about some legislation that creates a minimum amount of safety measures such as a safe

I don't think the law would be terrifically neccessary, but insofar as it doesn't infringe on gun ownership, I'm not vehemently against it either. People that own kids and have guns, should lock the kids in a safe for safety's sake, it's a no brainer. :think: Wait, is that right? Hrrrm.

It shouldn't be mandatory for all gun owners because obviously some people live alone or don't have dependants. People that love their kids and don't want them blowing their fool heads off already take precautions. This would be one of those "Because some people are idiots, you have to..." laws.

If it was an either / or proposition between this sort of thing to appease the anti-gun crowd or something more stringent, I'd choose this. If it were just one of many bits of legislation in a cocktail of restrictions, I'd fight them all.

[stix]

just like that little warning on roll on deoderant that says "do not apply this to your eyes"

but of course, some people are idiots, and the children of idiots are killing themselves. why not have the government step in, and do what it can to prevent the death of a teen that's having a rough time?

[Wolverine]

stix wrote: just like that little warning on roll on deoderant that says "do not apply this to your eyes"

but of course, some people are idiots, and the children of idiots are killing themselves. why not have the government step in, and do what it can to prevent the death of a teen that's having a rough time?
Are you refering to suicides or accidents?

[stix]

Wolverine wrote: stix wrote: just like that little warning on roll on deoderant that says "do not apply this to your eyes"

but of course, some people are idiots, and the children of idiots are killing themselves. why not have the government step in, and do what it can to prevent the death of a teen that's having a rough time?
Are you refering to suicides or accidents?
it can apply to both i guess. check my post in the other thread, i'm going to be now

[leftneckredwing]

stix wrote: Comeback to
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

No, but a word processor certainly would prevent misspellings wouldn't it?

I didn't know you could use a pencil with a word processor.

Piss poor comeback, btw.