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[TheGirlNextDoor]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An umbrella group that includes al-Qaida in
Iraq claimed in a Web statement Monday that it had kidnapped two U.S. soldiers reported missing south of Baghdad. There was no immediate confirmation that the statement was credible, although it appeared on a Web site often used by al-Qaida-linked groups.

U.S. officials have said they were trying to confirm whether the missing soldiers were kidnapped.

"Your brothers in the military wing of the Mujahedeen Shura Council kidnapped the two American soldiers near Youssifiya," the group said in a statement posted on an Islamic Web site.

The Web site did not name the soldiers.

The soldiers were reported missing Friday after insurgents attacked a checkpoint. The Defense Department identified the missing men as Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore.

The soldier who was killed was identified as Spc. David J. Babineau, 25, of Springfield, Mass. The three were assigned to the 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Ky.

The U.S. military said Monday that seven American troops have been wounded, three insurgents have been killed and 34 detained during an intensive search for the soldiers.

Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq, said fighter jets, unmanned aerial vehicles and dive teams had been deployed to find the two men. They went missing Friday during an attack on their checkpoint in the volatile Sunni area south of Baghdad that left one of their comrades dead.

"We have surged intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance platforms and employed planes, boats, helicopters and UAVs to ensure the most thorough search possible on the ground, in the air and in the water," Caldwell said in a statement issued Monday.

Caldwell said more than 8,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops were participating in the search.

"While searching for our soldiers, we have engaged in a number of significant actions against the anti-Iraqi forces," he said, adding that three insurgents had been killed and 34 taken into custody.

He also said the military had received 63 tips and had launched 12 cordon and search operations, eight air assaults and 280 flight hours were logged.

"Approximately 12 villages have been cleared in the area, and we continue to engage local citizens for help and information leading to the whereabouts of our soldiers," he said, without elaborating.

[Slayer]

I hope we find our guys. Then I hope we bomb the living hell out of the one who took them.

[bury]

They did find them. They're dead

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5098186.stm

[Johannes]

Damn it! I live close to where Tucker grew up...

[ToonArmyIsComing]

I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

[Slayer]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that.

[EugenicHegemony]

Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

[Johannes]

EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

Wrong, the most immediate threat to your freedom are the laws of physics and nature, then your built in or taught codes of morals and ethics, then your sense of responsibility, then other people that limit or enact on your rights, given to you by the government. Then, and only then, does the government play a role.

[Slayer]

EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

And the government is clearly limiting your freedoms, seeing as how you dont have the freedom to b**** about how little freedoms you have. :lol:

[EugenicHegemony]

Slayer wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

And the government is clearly limiting your freedoms, seeing as how you dont have the freedom to b**** about how little freedoms you have. :lol: Yeah, it's funny that you think useless internet talk, is something the government gives a damn about.

[EugenicHegemony]

Johannes wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

Wrong, the most immediate threat to your freedom are the laws of physics and nature, then your built in or taught codes of morals and ethics, then your sense of responsibility, then other people that limit or enact on your rights, given to you by the government. Then, and only then, does the government play a role. "Wrong" in your mind. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense, and none of what you mentioned threatens freedom. :-|

No, it's just the government.

[Slayer]

EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

And the government is clearly limiting your freedoms, seeing as how you dont have the freedom to b**** about how little freedoms you have. :lol: Yeah, it's funny that you think useless internet talk, is something the government gives a damn about.

But you said so yourself that the biggest threat to freedom is the government. Do you you think that people in China can have "useless internet talk" about how there government is taking their freedoms?

[EugenicHegemony]

Slayer wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Slayer wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I feel bad for many of these soldiers because they are just tools of politicians and they have been fooled by their blind patriotism, which is being abused by the people higher up.

Those blind tools are the ones keeping you free, just remember that. Nonsense. The biggest threat to any semblance of freedom, is your own government.

And the government is clearly limiting your freedoms, seeing as how you dont have the freedom to b**** about how little freedoms you have. :lol: Yeah, it's funny that you think useless internet talk, is something the government gives a damn about.

But you said so yourself that the biggest threat to freedom is the government. Do you you think that people in China can have "useless internet talk" about how there government is taking their freedoms? Yes, China's actual government is more authoritarian, and yes it's the "governmnet" that gives and takes any semblance of freedom you have. So I thank you for proving it's government that's the biggest threat to freedom.

It sure is odd how free China's capitalistic market is, compared to America's. It's also the fastest growing market economy in the world. U.S. companies are annoyed because there's little to no copy right/intellectual property protection in China, and their products are being copied and duplicated left and right. That's what a free market's all about, too bad America isn't one.

Oh, and Iraq's now an islamofascist state, thanks to your government: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46974