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[IHateAmerica]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=31&aid=2

In my opinion, if this is true, Jesus was one cool dude. Discuss.

[Enoch]

Just to let you know, you may wish to provide an opinion on the information presented in those links before a moderator locks the thread.

[sparsely]

I heard this a while back, but never got to read the article(s).
Thanks :P

[Richard Owl Mirror]

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc05/kanehb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma

http://www.huxley.net/soma/index.html


http://church.nugshots.com/?q=bible/sacrament

http://www.grassrootmedia.com/jesus.htm

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

http://www.420amsterdam.com/jezus.html




I got 'religion' early in life :roll:

[toddytodd]

So it appears that Jesus and his people used plants and herbs as medicine?!?!
Outrageous :roll:

[thefranzkafkafront]

I know the passage its refering to, frankly the idea that is cannabis is a huge huge logical extension.

[cap'n queasy]

I agree.

[IHateAmerica]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: I know the passage its refering to, frankly the idea that is cannabis is a huge huge logical extension.

What is it then???

Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33:

Moreover the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying: "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet KINEBOISIN two hundred and fifty shekels.

And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil an hin

And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary; it shall be an holy anointing oil

And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony.

Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you

Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people

KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis - it was also spelt kannabosm. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as "calamus"

[cap'n queasy]

It's calamus. One or two guys said that it might be cannabis.

Also it say whoever puts it on a stranger should be cast out, so, no weed if you are a non-believer if that's true.

:P

[cap'n queasy]

Also it is doubtful if Y'shua was ever anointed with this holy oil because only the king from the line of David who was and the Temple did not recognize Y'shua as this and did not ever anoint Him as such.

So to say a certain passage in Exodus shows Y'shua was a dope smoker is an extreme stretch of logic. And it probably wasn't even cannabis they used, in the first place.

[IHateAmerica]

From wikipedia

The plant name cannabis is probably of Semitic origin, possibly Hebrew.

Hebrew קְנֵה בֹּשֶׂם qěnēh bośem > קַנַּבּוֹס qannabbôs > Greek κανναβις kannabis > Latin cannabis > English

However, the earlier Sumerian language used the word "kanubi", which means 'cane of two (sexes?)'. This is possibly the source for the Semitic usage.

The Biblical Hebrew term qěnēh bośem, literally "reed of balm", may refer to cannabis but is more commonly thought to be lemon grass (Cymbopogon citratus). (See Immanuel Löw's Flora der Juden, 1924-34.) The Hebrew Bible mentions it in Exodus 30:23 where God commands Moses to make a holy oil of myrrh, cinnamon, qěnēh bośem and cassia to anoint the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle (and thus God's Temple in Jerusalem). Notably, this anointing oil is a special herbal formula that functions as a kind of polish and fragrance for the Ark and Tabernacle, and the Bible forbids its manufacture and use to anoint people (Exodus 30:31-33) with the exception of the Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30)

Elsewhere, the Hebrew Bible simply uses "reed" qānēh as the name of a plant in four places whose context seems to mean "reed of balm" as a fragrant resin, Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, Ezekiel 27:19 and Song of Songs 4:14.

The Hebrew name "reed of balm" comes from qěnēh (the noun construct form of qāneh) means a "reed" or "cane" and bośem means "balm" or "aromatic" resin. Hebrew may have adapted the name qannabbôs from "reed of balm" qěnēh bośem as a substitute for the ambiguous name "reed".

This Biblical Hebrew term is often mistranslated as "calamus", following an ancient misunderstanding in the Greek Septuagint translation. The Hebrew Bible was written across centuries well up to the 5th Century BCE. However, centuries later, by the time the Septuagint was written around the 2nd Century BCE, the archaic Hebrew word qěnēh bośem appears to have already abbreviated into the later Hebrew form qannabbôs, which is attested in Post Biblical Hebrew literature. Thus, the Septuagint did not recognize the Hebrew expression "reed of balm" and mistook it to refer to some unidentified plant. As a dynamic equivalent, the Septuagint rendered it as "calamus" (Greek kalamos), which indeed is a "balmy" (scented) reed. The calamus plant was known in Greek mythology and processed into an aphrodisiac.

Unambiguous Hebrew or Aramaic references to cannabis are rare and obscure. Syriac has qanpa (a loan from kannabis) and tanuma (see the Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon.) but neither is found in the ****, the Syriac Bible. Late Syriac Ahiqar texts include qanpa as "ropes of hemp" (tunbei de-qanpa). The Hebrew word qanbes, a loan word from kannabis, is used in the Mishnah as hemp [Kilaim 2:5; 5:8; 9:1,7; Negaim 11:2] in the sense of a constituent of clothing or other items.

[eynon]

IHateAmerica wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=31&aid=2

In my opinion, if this is true, Jesus was one cool dude. Discuss.

any dude who can make bad water into good wine is a cool dude in my book........

[Plodder]

i think that this thread is pretty wird.

[thefranzkafkafront]

IHateAmerica wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: I know the passage its refering to, frankly the idea that is cannabis is a huge huge logical extension.

What is it then???

Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33:

Moreover the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying: "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet KINEBOISIN two hundred and fifty shekels.

And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil an hin

And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary; it shall be an holy anointing oil

And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony.

Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you

Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people

KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis - it was also spelt kannabosm. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as "calamus"

Funnily enough Jesus comes later in the bible.

[OneZero]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: IHateAmerica wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: I know the passage its refering to, frankly the idea that is cannabis is a huge huge logical extension.

What is it then???

Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33:

Moreover the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying: "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet KINEBOISIN two hundred and fifty shekels.

And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil an hin

And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary; it shall be an holy anointing oil

And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony.

Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you

Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people

KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis - it was also spelt kannabosm. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as "calamus"

Funnily enough Jesus comes later in the bible.

:lol:

[JoeBen81]

It would be alot cooler if he did....

[melchizedek22]

Genesis 3vs 22"What if the man ate of the Tree of Life and lived forever"

[Enoch]

melchizedek22 wrote: Genesis 3vs 22"What if the man ate of the Tree of Life and lived forever" And, what is that supposed to imply in relation to this discussion?

[Lumina]

IHateAmerica wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: I know the passage its refering to, frankly the idea that is cannabis is a huge huge logical extension.

What is it then???

Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33:

Moreover the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying: "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet KINEBOISIN two hundred and fifty shekels.

And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil an hin

And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary; it shall be an holy anointing oil

And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony.

Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you

Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people

KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis - it was also spelt kannabosm. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as "calamus" \

"The name cannabis is thought to be of Scythian origin. Possibly it has an earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, in Exodus 30:23 God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. Kaneh bosm (Hebrew kannabos or kannabus) "kan" in means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". In the Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed", leading to English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14)."

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29

For me, the definitive word (sorry, pun not intended) will be what the O.E.D. says. If anybody has a 'scrip to the online version or is going to a library, would you look it up please? (I do have the home-version of the O.E.D., which is two volumes and comes with its own magnifying glass. I lent the first volume to my kids' pediatrician several years ago, but even if I had it, the blinding headache that would result from attempting to read the microscopic print just wouldn't be worth it to me.)

[sLiPpY]

IHateAmerica wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=31&aid=2

In my opinion, if this is true, Jesus was one cool dude. Discuss.

What's even more fun, is that politically active social conservatives. Worship a Liberal Hippie. :-D