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carlosox · Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 6

We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

It would be nice, but I don't think it will ever happen.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:54 am Post subject:

Your understanding of the history of relgious freedom (which was chapioned by protestant christians) and of theology of salvation in general, is phew..

Darth Tiberius · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Oxford

carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15372 Location: Florida

carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

When did Christians last seriously preach conversion by the sword? It's been a while. We've grown past that part of the history of our religion. When Islam gets past that stage (and I heartily believe they will), peace between the two will be possible.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15372 Location: Florida

Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Darth Tiberius · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Oxford

perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8780

Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.
Everyone, religious or not, has a degree of bigotry to them. There is no such thing as a truly open-minded individual or culture. Everyone has thier own bigoted notions. With that in mind, I would agree with perdidochas that if humanity lays down trends of bigotry we can move forward.

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

Judging by the nature of both religions, I would agree with the author of this thread that peace can never exist between islam and christianity.

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5271

Christianity can't even get along with itself! Getting along with Islam is out of the question. That is not to say that all issues will be handled with weapons, but the likelihood of armed conflict will always be there as long as the core teachings of Jesus are routinely ignored.

Even if the Christians come around, as unlikely as that is, Islam still has a very powerful fascist view of life. That will be a good long while in changing…

Darth Tiberius · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Oxford

UrielsFyre wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.
Everyone, religious or not, has a degree of bigotry to them. There is no such thing as a truly open-minded individual or culture. Everyone has thier own bigoted notions. With that in mind, I would agree with perdidochas that if humanity lays down trends of bigotry we can move forward.

True but Christianity has a higher degree of bigotry and prejudice.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15372 Location: Florida

Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.

But atheists cannot ever be bigots :roll:

Darth Tiberius · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Oxford

perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.

But atheists cannot ever be bigots :roll:

*sighs* I've acknowledged and argreed that nobody can be free from bigotry. It exists everywhere. I'm saying Christianity is prone to higher degrees of bigotry and prejudice.

Knight · Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 724

Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.

But atheists cannot ever be bigots :roll:

*sighs* I've acknowledged and argreed that nobody can be free from bigotry. It exists everywhere. I'm saying Christianity is prone to higher degrees of bigotry and prejudice.
How so? Why just for 'Christians' and not other religions?

LDS Patriot · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 200

carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Islam is not now nor has it ever been a religion of peace. From it's beginnings Islam has been at war with itself (e.g., Sunni vs. Shi'ite), let alone it's antagonism & warfare againts any and all other religions, i.e., not just Christianity, Hinduism, any and all forms of polytheism, athiesm...a list which includes any and all non-Islamic religions.

One Christian writer summarizes a major flaw in Islam;

Quote: In Islam religion and politics are joined together. Allah is not primarily interested in individuals. Love is a completely foreign concept in Islam. Allah is destined to rule the world. That is the basis of Islam. Everything else is related to this goal. The world is divided into two parts, Dar-al-Salaam meaning "House of Peace" where Allah rules and Dar-al-Harb, "House of War" where the people are not in submission to Allah and Islam. http://contenderministries.org/islam/trueislam.php

I’ve read several books on Islam lately and have come to the conclusion that somehow Islam itself produces defective thinking.

I’m glad I found this article by Dr. Babu Suseelan, a Professor of Clinical Psychology in Pennsylvaniam because it articulates scientifically my findings and augments my conclusions.

Per Dr. Suseelan, typical Islamic thinking errors include:

* Polarized or all-or-nothing-thinking (e.g.: believers and non-believers, daru-ul-Islam, dar-ul-harb)
* Catastrophic Thinking (all infidels will go to hell)
* Discounting the positive, accentuate the negative (all kafirs are trying to get Muslims)
* Emotional reasoning (emotional justification for bombing, beheading, terrorism)
* Labeling (putting a global label on non-believers as kafirs)
* Minimization (blame the victim, denial, alibi)
* Mind Reading (Muslims know what non-Muslims are thinking)
* Mental Filter (Failure to see things holistically)
* Overgeneralization (making sweeping negative conclusions: Jews are pigs, Christians are rats)
* Personalization (Muslims believe Kafirs are behaving negatively because of Islam)
* Tunnel Vision (seeing things only in the Islamic way)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011802.php

Quote: Jihadi terrorism is as old as Islam. Jihad war, death and destruction have followed in the wake of Islam for hundreds of years. Ancient Egypt, Greece, Spain, Persia, India and several societies have experienced the deadly Islamic conquest. Now Jihadi terrorism has propelled to dangerous proportions and is a major threat to public health and world peace. Jihadi terrorists are said to have the unique ability to perpetuate their deadly terrorism wreaking havoc in every city in the world. It's destructive impact on the economy, public health and public safety is widespread, and on the increase.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011802.php

Darth Tiberius · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Oxford

Knight wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.

But atheists cannot ever be bigots :roll:

*sighs* I've acknowledged and argreed that nobody can be free from bigotry. It exists everywhere. I'm saying Christianity is prone to higher degrees of bigotry and prejudice.
How so? Why just for 'Christians' and not other religions?

We not only have the problems with the crimes of the Catholic church. We have Christian churches making their crusades to push their dogma on others. Most who don't want to hear it. Churches have the right to say what they think is wrong to themselves but to try and push that nationwide is another problem. Chruches often attack Islam, homosexuals, Jes and others constantly. I attended church most of my life and that was what was mostly preached. While in turn you have other religions who might occasionally say that they disagree but in the end ackowledge the need to be civil and to not judge. Many fundamentalist churches push that certain races are more "barbaric" because they subsribe to a different viewpoint. That's racism right there. Need I go on?

lucidnightmare · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject:

No.The only way to have peace with Muslims is to consent to live as a second class citizen to them and pay protection money to them for the privilege of living under their rule.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15372 Location: Florida

Darth Tiberius wrote:
We not only have the problems with the crimes of the Catholic church. We have Christian churches making their crusades to push their dogma on others. Most who don't want to hear it. Churches have the right to say what they think is wrong to themselves but to try and push that nationwide is another problem. Chruches often attack Islam, homosexuals, Jes and others constantly. I attended church most of my life and that was what was mostly preached. While in turn you have other religions who might occasionally say that they disagree but in the end ackowledge the need to be civil and to not judge. Many fundamentalist churches push that certain races are more "barbaric" because they subsribe to a different viewpoint. That's racism right there. Need I go on?

Not certain about your denomination, but in my 40 yrs of life, with weekly Mass attendance, I have NEVER heard a sermon that included an attack on Islam, homosexuals, Jews or any others. I have never heard any sermon that preached anything but total racial equality and justice (I have heard some that preached against racism and antisemitism). Yes, the Catholic Church had problems in the 'bad old days.' I won't deny that. The Catholic Church is made up of humans who mess up. That's inherent in humanity. However, we are doing our best to make up for it. In case you hadn't read, Pope John Paul II asked for forgiveness from almost any group the Catholic Church has ever harmed purposefully or inadvertently.

LDS Patriot · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 200

Darth Tiberius wrote: Knight wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: perdidochas wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: carlosox wrote: We fool ourselves into thinking that peace will one day exist between these two religions. It simply cannot happen, because each is committed to the idea that world peace will eventuate only when the whole world is converted to either Christianity or Islam, as the case may be. All talk of religious tolerance is mere hypocrisy. Each is just waiting to destroy the other. Prove me wrong, someone.

Regards

Once Christianity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realise we are all human beings then we can go forward.

I would generalize that to once humanity lays down trends of bigotry and imposing ideas and realize we are all human beings then we can go forward. Why is Christianity blamed for this? I don't see Christian churches advocating that Christians buckle on suicide belts and go into Muslim or Jewish crowds.

Then you haven't seen the crimes of the Catholic church or Bush saying that "god is on his side" and going to war under the name of "god". Suicide bombers are extreme and there are extremists everywhere. I'm saying that even the most moderate churches still operate with a degree of bigotry.

But atheists cannot ever be bigots :roll:

*sighs* I've acknowledged and argreed that nobody can be free from bigotry. It exists everywhere. I'm saying Christianity is prone to higher degrees of bigotry and prejudice.
How so? Why just for 'Christians' and not other religions?

We not only have the problems with the crimes of the Catholic church. We have Christian churches making their crusades to push their dogma on others. Most who don't want to hear it. Churches have the right to say what they think is wrong to themselves but to try and push that nationwide is another problem. Chruches often attack Islam, homosexuals, Jes and others constantly. I attended church most of my life and that was what was mostly preached. While in turn you have other religions who might occasionally say that they disagree but in the end ackowledge the need to be civil and to not judge. Many fundamentalist churches push that certain races are more "barbaric" because they subsribe to a different viewpoint. That's racism right there. Need I go on?

Darth, you are wrong about the crusades. It was a delayed defensive move due to several centuries of Muslim's taking by force Christian lands. Overall, the crusades were a good thing too, otherwise all of Europe would have come under the rule of Islam by sword or conversion. The crusades were no more an attack than D-Day was.

carlosox · Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 6

I'm happy to note that some opinions have been expressed to my query. Please do not get me wrong- I do not want a ' war ' between Christians and Muslims on this board. As the two religions that have the largest numbers of followers in the world, I was trying to find a common thread where these religions can adopt a starting point from which world peace can ensure. Till now, I'm unable to find such a thread.
I've lived most of my life in an Islamic nation, and am now living in a nation which is a Christian nation. In my analysis of these religions, I ignore what they profess but consider only the outcomes.
What I found generally about Islam was that its followers were extremely religious and tried to follow as much as they could what was stated in the Koran. Christians on the other hand have confined their religion to the church. Once the followers of Christianity leave the church, it is back to a life of greed and sense pleasures. The Christian churches are also business centers-with some Christian groups being very wealthy and where religion is only a front for them to make more money. They eagerly look forward to converting other nations to their religion so that they can milk these nations dry. Its always business first and religion second. It would appear that both these religions need a thorough internal cleansing before any progress can be made. Both these religions have professed that their own religion is the only true one. This is for the purpose of fooling the masses to obey without questioning. Something which is necessary for the heads of these religions to carry on their fraudulent ways. Will a new Martin Luther arise to clean up the church ? Will a person arise to clean up Islam ?