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[Enoch]

Throughout the course of the many threads in this forum, one thing has been clear to me. No matter what the thread, what the topic, or who is involved, every thread seems to boil down to the same questions: When does life begin and when is that life deserving of rights?

Therefore, I have often wondered why there needs to be so many threads on the same issues time and time again.

I want to know, has anyone switched sides based on arguments presented here?

[AllAmericanMan]

I used to be pro abortion. Abortion to me was a great thing, because I was afraid of getting my girlfriend pregnant and having to raise a child. I was extremely immature then and in some ways still am, but at some point I began to look past my own desires. At some point (really don't remember when) I became anti abortion. I think it was when I first started reading political forums, and heard the 2 sides debate each other. Once I formed an opinion of course, that opinion was only reinforced every thread thereafter as is human nature.

The more I learned about conception the more I began to find the moment to be spectacular, and worthy of respect. When I was pro abortion I didn't really know anything or had done any reading on the subject. The more I learned about the beginning of life, and the more my concerns spread to compassion for all human life not just my own, the more I began to care for the unborn. I believe that's why many religious people are pro life, feeling compassion for everyone besides yourself is something that is brain washed into them at a very young age. Likewise, i view abortionists as compassionate for women, to such an extent that it overrides their judgment in what choices should be left open to mothers.

[Gilbert1908]

UrielsFyre wrote: Throughout the course of the many threads in this forum, one thing has been clear to me. No matter what the thread, what the topic, or who is involved, every thread seems to boil down to the same questions: When does life begin and when is that life deserving of rights?

Therefore, I have often wondered why there needs to be so many threads on the same issues time and time again.

I want to know, has anyone switched sides based on arguments presented here?

No not on the arguments made here. I was pro choice until I dated an a med student(a woman), interestingly enough I assumed my present position on abortion a few years BEFORE I converted from atheism to Catholicism.

[Enoch]

Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Throughout the course of the many threads in this forum, one thing has been clear to me. No matter what the thread, what the topic, or who is involved, every thread seems to boil down to the same questions: When does life begin and when is that life deserving of rights?

Therefore, I have often wondered why there needs to be so many threads on the same issues time and time again.

I want to know, has anyone switched sides based on arguments presented here?

No not on the arguments made here. I was pro choice until I dated an a med student(a woman), interestingly enough I assumed my present position on abortion a few years BEFORE I converted from atheism to Catholicism.
While I understand that, I am trying to find out if people changed their opinions because of these threads, not because of things that happened in their life prior.

[Gilbert1908]

UrielsFyre wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Throughout the course of the many threads in this forum, one thing has been clear to me. No matter what the thread, what the topic, or who is involved, every thread seems to boil down to the same questions: When does life begin and when is that life deserving of rights?

Therefore, I have often wondered why there needs to be so many threads on the same issues time and time again.

I want to know, has anyone switched sides based on arguments presented here?

No not on the arguments made here. I was pro choice until I dated an a med student(a woman), interestingly enough I assumed my present position on abortion a few years BEFORE I converted from atheism to Catholicism.
While I understand that, I am trying to find out if people changed their opinions because of these threads, not because of things that happened in their life prior.

I thought I answered your question and the figured I would add in my own little apparently not so interesting tid bit. LOL

[AllAmericanMan]

Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Throughout the course of the many threads in this forum, one thing has been clear to me. No matter what the thread, what the topic, or who is involved, every thread seems to boil down to the same questions: When does life begin and when is that life deserving of rights?

Therefore, I have often wondered why there needs to be so many threads on the same issues time and time again.

I want to know, has anyone switched sides based on arguments presented here?

No not on the arguments made here. I was pro choice until I dated an a med student(a woman), interestingly enough I assumed my present position on abortion a few years BEFORE I converted from atheism to Catholicism.
While I understand that, I am trying to find out if people changed their opinions because of these threads, not because of things that happened in their life prior.

I thought I answered your question and the figured I would add in my own little apparently not so interesting tid bit. LOL Wow how do you convert from Atheism ro Catholocism? I could understand believing in God, the universe is amazing after all. But a specific organized religion? Especially one that has been responsible for so much attrocities and lies over the years? How? :?

[Gilbert1908]

AllAmericanMan wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Throughout the course of the many threads in this forum, one thing has been clear to me. No matter what the thread, what the topic, or who is involved, every thread seems to boil down to the same questions: When does life begin and when is that life deserving of rights?

Therefore, I have often wondered why there needs to be so many threads on the same issues time and time again.

I want to know, has anyone switched sides based on arguments presented here?

No not on the arguments made here. I was pro choice until I dated an a med student(a woman), interestingly enough I assumed my present position on abortion a few years BEFORE I converted from atheism to Catholicism.
While I understand that, I am trying to find out if people changed their opinions because of these threads, not because of things that happened in their life prior.

I thought I answered your question and the figured I would add in my own little apparently not so interesting tid bit. LOL Wow how do you convert from Atheism ro Catholocism? I could understand believing in God, the universe is amazing after all. But a specific organized religion? Especially one that has been responsible for so much attrocities and lies over the years? How? :?

I am reminded of Fulton Sheen, "only a few people hate Catholcism, millions hate what they wrongly believe Catholicism to be."

[Revenant]

I am pro-abortion, and my views have not changed.

[Aqualung]

I'm pro-choice and my views haven't changed. Then again, I've been here only a couple of days, and rarely go into the abortion forum. :-D But I thought it would be nice to explain one of the poll responses so you can better read the results.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I am the sole vote in the "was pro-life, now pro-choice" category, but not because of the arguments on this forum. I was raised a conservative Catholic, and so was very pro-life. But then I got out into the real world where people make difficult choices, read up on the science and history, and decided that the option had to be left open.

[Plodder]

funny i was pro death until I read up on science and technology and philosophy and started to pay attention to life and now im 110% for life.

[cup2006Sens]

I am anti abortion yet pro-choice. I think abortion is wrong, to me anyways. As a male I really don't have a choice in the matter but I would never counsel someone to have an abortion. However I don't feel it is my place to tell all women what they should do with their bodies. I don't think that abortion should be allowed after 5 or 6 months unless the womans life is in danger. A woman has had time to know she is pregant by that point and the baby is too developed to allow an abortion.

Also I think that abortion should have a waiting period. A woman should have to wait 4 or 5 days or a week after she goes to the hospital and get counselling about whether she really wants the abortion and whether she is serious about getting the abortion and whether she can live with it. Abortion on immediate demand should not be as once it is done it can't be taken back. That said I don't mind the government paying for an abortion in a hospital if there is counselling and a waiting period.

I do believe life begins at conception and I think if someone causes a woman to lose her baby through violence they should be charged with manslaughter or murder.

I wouldn't ban abortion but I would like it if fewer abortions happened.

[Enoch]

cup2006Sens wrote: I am anti abortion yet pro-choice. I think abortion is wrong, to me anyways. As a male I really don't have a choice in the matter but I would never counsel someone to have an abortion. However I don't feel it is my place to tell all women what they should do with their bodies. I don't think that abortion should be allowed after 5 or 6 months unless the womans life is in danger. A woman has had time to know she is pregant by that point and the baby is too developed to allow an abortion.

Also I think that abortion should have a waiting period. A woman should have to wait 4 or 5 days or a week after she goes to the hospital and get counselling about whether she really wants the abortion and whether she is serious about getting the abortion and whether she can live with it. Abortion on immediate demand should not be as once it is done it can't be taken back. That said I don't mind the government paying for an abortion in a hospital if there is counselling and a waiting period.

I do believe life begins at conception and I think if someone causes a woman to lose her baby through violence they should be charged with manslaughter or murder.

I wouldn't ban abortion but I would like it if fewer abortions happened.
I agree. Well said. :-)

[AllAmericanMan]

Impossible to be anti abortion and pro choice. Either you believe murder is murder or you dont. To be anti abortion means to be against its legality, period.

[Gilbert1908]

cup2006Sens wrote: I am anti abortion yet pro-choice. I think abortion is wrong, to me anyways. As a male I really don't have a choice in the matter but I would never counsel someone to have an abortion. However I don't feel it is my place to tell all women what they should do with their bodies. I don't think that abortion should be allowed after 5 or 6 months unless the womans life is in danger. A woman has had time to know she is pregant by that point and the baby is too developed to allow an abortion.

Also I think that abortion should have a waiting period. A woman should have to wait 4 or 5 days or a week after she goes to the hospital and get counselling about whether she really wants the abortion and whether she is serious about getting the abortion and whether she can live with it. Abortion on immediate demand should not be as once it is done it can't be taken back. That said I don't mind the government paying for an abortion in a hospital if there is counselling and a waiting period.

I do believe life begins at conception and I think if someone causes a woman to lose her baby through violence they should be charged with manslaughter or murder.

I wouldn't ban abortion but I would like it if fewer abortions happened.

Men are 50% responsible for ALL abortions in the world.

Men over all could be FAR more responsible both on the subject of having sex in the first place and then in supporting the woman carrying and perhaps having their baby.

By simply saying "it is not my issue" you automatically abandon the woman who needs you most at the very time she is FORCED to make a decision BY HERSELF.

If you look at the reasons MANY women (USA) get abortions it has to do with partner support either financially or personally.

Men have a tremendous influence on how many abortions there are every year by their COWARDLY ABSENCES, and abdication of responsibilities.

There would be far fewer abortions if there were more boys willing to be act like men.

Don't give me the excuse that just because you are male you have NOTHING TO SAY.

[Enoch]

AllAmericanMan wrote: Impossible to be anti abortion and pro choice. Either you believe murder is murder or you dont. To be anti abortion means to be against its legality, period. No, not period. The world is not black and white, it is shades of gray. I am morally against abortion, and would do everything I can to convince a woman not to have one. But, I still believe that it would be wrong to make abortion illegal.

[Plodder]

then you dont care very much about abortion.

[Enoch]

Plodder wrote: then you dont care very much about abortion. Well, if that is what you think.

[cup2006Sens]

AllAmericanMan wrote: Impossible to be anti abortion and pro choice. Either you believe murder is murder or you dont. To be anti abortion means to be against its legality, period.

I said what I think. I am against abortion and pro choice and I said my reasons why.

Perhaps people can't understand my reason and think I am hypocritical. Perhaps I am hypocritical. I just don't see the point of calling out people who have had abortions as murderers. I would rather we work to increase the access to safe birth control (especially in the third world), give children and teens far more accurate and detailed information about sex and reproduction than they currently get and counsel all women who want to have an abortion as to the physical and pychological consequences of having an abortion and ensure they have a waiting period to make sure they are making they really want to have an abortion.

This would be more successful in reducing abortions than killing and threatening abortion doctors, yelling at women going into abortion clinics that they are murderers, giving teens the story of abstience instead of very clear and concrete facts about sex and reproduction and contraception and denying aid to Third world nations that in any way allow abortion instead of supplying doctors, nurses, education and giving massive amounts of contraceptives to those countries.

I am not saying that all anti-abortionists have theese views or even the majority, but many, many do have this view and the US government had just this kind of attitude toward recipients of foreign aid.

[cup2006Sens]

Gilbert1908 wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: I am anti abortion yet pro-choice. I think abortion is wrong, to me anyways. As a male I really don't have a choice in the matter but I would never counsel someone to have an abortion. However I don't feel it is my place to tell all women what they should do with their bodies. I don't think that abortion should be allowed after 5 or 6 months unless the womans life is in danger. A woman has had time to know she is pregant by that point and the baby is too developed to allow an abortion.

Also I think that abortion should have a waiting period. A woman should have to wait 4 or 5 days or a week after she goes to the hospital and get counselling about whether she really wants the abortion and whether she is serious about getting the abortion and whether she can live with it. Abortion on immediate demand should not be as once it is done it can't be taken back. That said I don't mind the government paying for an abortion in a hospital if there is counselling and a waiting period.

I do believe life begins at conception and I think if someone causes a woman to lose her baby through violence they should be charged with manslaughter or murder.

I wouldn't ban abortion but I would like it if fewer abortions happened.

Men are 50% responsible for ALL abortions in the world.

Men over all could be FAR more responsible both on the subject of having sex in the first place and then in supporting the woman carrying and perhaps having their baby.

By simply saying "it is not my issue" you automatically abandon the woman who needs you most at the very time she is FORCED to make a decision BY HERSELF.

If you look at the reasons MANY women (USA) get abortions it has to do with partner support either financially or personally.

Men have a tremendous influence on how many abortions there are every year by their COWARDLY ABSENCES, and abdication of responsibilities.

There would be far fewer abortions if there were more boys willing to be act like men.

Don't give me the excuse that just because you are male you have NOTHING TO SAY.

Why attack me? I never said that it isn't my issue or that the issue doesn't concern men. I said I am a male so I won't ever be faced with the decision to have an abortion. I can't have an abortion as I can't bear children. That is waht I meant and I think it is pretty clear I implied that.