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[Enoch]

greeneye wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: I want to convince you that an embryo/fetus has no right to life until such time that they can actually live without the biological processes of another person sustaining them. You disagree, and likely will never agree.

So, what do we do? We continue to go around and around on this. It is really tiring, to be honest.

Yes, it is indeed a circular, sad and exhausting argument.

But just as you seem to believe (from your other posts) that people's views and morality changes based upon a given set of circumstances and changing times and conditions.... it is interesting to note that the current younger generation of college students across this country, which I am somewhat connected to, have different views and opinions than their parents on the issue of abortion. Many of them are pro-life, want a ban on the abortion (and/or strong restrictions) and are educated about the issue. http://www.boundless.org/2002_2003/features/a0000703.html

Since this is the group of people that will be leading the country in the not-to-distant future, perhaps all the millions of words expressed through debates and arguments that have littered the web boards, radio and TV stations over this issue in the last decade has not been in vain. Maybe circular --- but not in vain.

It seems this group has it right. (And yes .... right according to my opinion) While I have no doubt that there are changing opinions on the issue of abortion, I don't see your source as indicating any trend toward overturning Roe v Wade.

The source you cited claimed, "A Zogby International poll reports that young adults are more likely than their parents or grandparents to support a total ban — that’s right, a total ban — on abortion. One-third of people ages 18 to 29 said that abortion should never be legal, compared to 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64 and about 20 percent for those over 65. " Even if we accept those numbers as being accurate (which I can not claim with any certainity unless I see the poll itself, the methodology, and sample population), that would still leave a full 2/3 of people in that same demographic who do not wish to see a ban on abortion.

[greeneye]

UrielsFyre wrote: greeneye wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: I want to convince you that an embryo/fetus has no right to life until such time that they can actually live without the biological processes of another person sustaining them. You disagree, and likely will never agree.

So, what do we do? We continue to go around and around on this. It is really tiring, to be honest.

Yes, it is indeed a circular, sad and exhausting argument.

But just as you seem to believe (from your other posts) that people's views and morality changes based upon a given set of circumstances and changing times and conditions.... it is interesting to note that the current younger generation of college students across this country, which I am somewhat connected to, have different views and opinions than their parents on the issue of abortion. Many of them are pro-life, want a ban on the abortion (and/or strong restrictions) and are educated about the issue. http://www.boundless.org/2002_2003/features/a0000703.html

Since this is the group of people that will be leading the country in the not-to-distant future, perhaps all the millions of words expressed through debates and arguments that have littered the web boards, radio and TV stations over this issue in the last decade has not been in vain. Maybe circular --- but not in vain.

It seems this group has it right. (And yes .... right according to my opinion) While I have no doubt that there are changing opinions on the issue of abortion, I don't see your source as indicating any trend toward overturning Roe v Wade.

The source you cited claimed, "A Zogby International poll reports that young adults are more likely than their parents or grandparents to support a total ban — that’s right, a total ban — on abortion. One-third of people ages 18 to 29 said that abortion should never be legal, compared to 23 percent for those ages 30 to 64 and about 20 percent for those over 65. " Even if we accept those numbers as being accurate (which I can not claim with any certainity unless I see the poll itself, the methodology, and sample population), that would still leave a full 2/3 of people in that same demographic who do not wish to see a ban on abortion.

I don't know if Roe will ever be overturned. Personally, I think it may be given back to the states with greater restrictions just as all social issues should lie within the rights of it's people to decide what they want.

Also, as I have debated this issue with my colleagues on different college campuses through web boards, I find that many students definitely seem to have a greater sense of the value and sacredness of life than some of the older adults that are part of the debate.

I don't know why, but this has been my observation.

The point of my previous post was to point out that the exhaustive circular nature of this debate has, if anything, caused many people (especially students) to become educated and knowledgeable about the issue so as to help them form their own opinions. And many of those opinions seem to see through the "fallacy of the choice argument."

[Plodder]

if it is given back to the sates then it will be overturned.