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[Muslima]

timepass, even though there is huge difference in the percentage....i recommend you look at the other religion percentages.....

[Muslima]

[quote="islandhopper"][quote="Muslima"]island hopper yes what is the problem?
death penalties do happen in islamic countries, i said they don't happen for leaving islam on most countries.........no blanket sentences....
if it is not the UK then it is another country which I can't remember.... Quote:


OK, let's try this again, shall we? You said: "death penalty isn't used in most of the islamic country if not all, me and paroah have discussed it earlier with other members,
killing apostates isn't a law it was just to stop weak believers from abondening islam after the prophet's death..... "

Did you even read my post above? UK? Another country? Did you even see the list of countries that have abolished the death penalty?

islandhopper, we shall try again and again i will say that death penalities for abondening islam isn't widely spread in the islamic countries, specificaly ME countries.....other death penalties do occur for other cases......now.....do you want islamic countries to outlaw death penalties?

and no wasn't forced to watch but "shock" forced me to...

[islandhopper]

Muslima wrote: ..other death penalties do occur for other cases......now.....do you want islamic countries to outlaw death penalties?

Yes, and I want the USA to outlaw its death penalty too. But unfortunately, I can't have everything I want.

[Tepic]

islandhopper wrote: Muslima wrote: ..other death penalties do occur for other cases......now.....do you want islamic countries to outlaw death penalties?

Yes, and I want the USA to outlaw its death penalty too. But unfortunately, I can't have everything I want.

You could always go for a compromise. Here there's no official death penalty, but going to jail for any length of time almost guarantees infection with HIV.

[Darth Tiberius]

Tepic wrote: islandhopper wrote: Muslima wrote: ..other death penalties do occur for other cases......now.....do you want islamic countries to outlaw death penalties?

Yes, and I want the USA to outlaw its death penalty too. But unfortunately, I can't have everything I want.

You could always go for a compromise. Here there's no official death penalty, but going to jail for any length of time almost guarantees infection with HIV.

Is that still true in South Africa? That's horrible. I thought South Africa was working to change this.

Sorry for the thread diversion.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Here's some food for thought:

Capital Punishment, Death Penalty in Islam

ISLAMIC LAW DOCTRINE ON THE DEATH PENALTY

[Dagger]

As far as I'm concerned

The Death penalty is a great thing, in fact it should be used more often. First of all people wouldn't do as many stupid things. Plus why waste our money keeping criminals who want to kill us alive..?

O and don't start with the what if there innocent BS. I think we should only give capital punishment to those that are 100% guilty.

[timepass]

Muslima wrote: timepass, even though there is huge difference in the percentage....i recommend you look at the other religion percentages.....
muslima, why should I look at the other religion percentages ? The comparison between islam and christianity was enough to prove my point.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: Why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world in your opinion?

Because Islamic countries are mostly poor and illiterate thus having high birth rates.....if you look

Quote: why do you think people to convert to islam mostly not to other religions?

What stats do you have to back this up? None I suspect. I hope you realise that Islam, which was dominant, is now about to die in Africa - people have no respect for a religion whose adherents don't produce/create anything, except the death penalty for homosexuality but the highest google search rates for 'gay sex'.

Quote: killing apostates isn't a law it was just to stop weak believers from abondening islam after the prophet's death..... "

Islam is so peaceful that anyone who decides not to agree with it must be killed? Is that the only way Islam could survive - by threatening death? You do believe that attacking an apostate in anyway is a mistake don't you?

[Tepic]

Darth Tiberius wrote: Tepic wrote: islandhopper wrote: Muslima wrote: ..other death penalties do occur for other cases......now.....do you want islamic countries to outlaw death penalties?

Yes, and I want the USA to outlaw its death penalty too. But unfortunately, I can't have everything I want.

You could always go for a compromise. Here there's no official death penalty, but going to jail for any length of time almost guarantees infection with HIV.

Is that still true in South Africa? That's horrible. I thought South Africa was working to change this.

Sorry for the thread diversion.

Apologies in advance for diversion...

I think prisons all over the world have high rape incidence and therefore higher HIV rate than normal society. SA just happens to have a very high proportion of HIV infections to start with, although Southeast-Asia seems to be catching up. The education campaigns etc. have increased but aren't really sufficient.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: I think prisons all over the world have high rape incidence and therefore higher HIV rate than normal society.

Also high rates of Heroine use with dirty needles, and consensual condomless homosexual sex.

[Muslima]

islandhopper wrote: Muslima wrote: ..other death penalties do occur for other cases......now.....do you want islamic countries to outlaw death penalties?

Yes, and I want the USA to outlaw its death penalty too. But unfortunately, I can't have everything I want.

and unfortunately, i can't do or agree with everything you want....

[Muslima]

robin hood

i am depending on the stories i hear and read, the documentaries i watch on bbc and national geographic and the news to know that many convert to islam

you have quoted my sentence so why asking?

i know that many muslims in africa are abondoning islam, but it not our fault, they are able to work and they are able to prodice even though they don't have water, but not every production needs water......there are many islamic charity organizations and many islamic schools which are doing their best......

why do you keep bringing in things that we have gone black?

if you don't like islam just leave the forum no one is telling to post here....

[Robin Hood]

Quote: i know that many muslims in africa are abondoning islam, but it not our fault, they are able to work and they are able to prodice even though they don't have water, but not every production needs water......

No, I don't mean that Muslims in Africa produe nothing useful, but that Muslims in general produce nothing. This is not some outrageous attack on Islam, but what the ex-president, and practicing Muslim, of Malaysia said.

Quote: i am depending on the stories i hear and read, the documentaries i watch on bbc and national geographic and the news to know that many convert to islam

No, I was asking for actual stats, not just hearsay, and the BBC's pathetic attempts to show how they understand Islam. You do realise that on the BBC they are also pro-transgender rights and such like (as am I) but it doesn't seem in check with the mainstream of Islam. The point is that they, and the Western media is overly polite to all unsuccessful or backwards groups.

Quote: why do you keep bringing in things that we have gone black?

I'm not sure what 'gone black' means. I assume you mean that you don't like me criticizing the poverty, illiteracy and tyranny so widespread in the cultural sphere of Islam. Correct?

Quote: there are many islamic charity organizations and many islamic schools which are doing their best......

Islamic schools, on the whole, don't educate anyone in anything useful. Or improve anyone's education. Only learning to recite the Quran over and over again makes people very dull indeed.

Quote: if you don't like islam just leave the forum no one is telling to post here....

You have that the wrong way around. If you don't like reasoned criticism and discussion you should probably leave the discussion board.

[Muslima]

here it comes again..... but this time it seems to me that you are politer!

as far as i know muslims are trying to produce and ther are being successful in it, i am surprised of what the ex said because malaysia is really coming out of a bomb in the production!

I know that they are being polite, for what i don't know? their practice is obvious so is the point, yet it sometimes gives some relief.....
stats? there you go....

"NOTE: There are no statistics for the percentage of the U.S. population who are Muslim. Estimates of the numbers of American Muslims range from 5 to 7 million. The U.S. State Department notes that Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the U.S. and by the year 2010 the U.S. Muslim population is expected to surpass the U.S. Jewish population."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/portraits/us.html


gone black is like went old.....poverty, illteracy and tyranny are globally spread not only in the "islamic sphere"......i don't mind you criticizing, do whatever you want. i just think you should criticize yourself and your country before anything else.....


all religious schools aren't like normal schools, not only the islamic, but i am happy to tell you that quran by itself is a school....

i didn't join this forum for the fun of it, i came here to discuss and hear critcisim to reply, but i am not here to hear insults.....

[Robin Hood]

Quote: as far as i know muslims are trying to produce and ther are being successful in it, i am surprised of what the ex said because malaysia is really coming out of a bomb in the production!

Malaysia is the exception, but most of the production is performed via the ethnically Chinese non-Muslim minority.

Quote: "NOTE: There are no statistics for the percentage of the U.S. population who are Muslim. Estimates of the numbers of American Muslims range from 5 to 7 million. The U.S. State Department notes that Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the U.S. and by the year 2010 the U.S. Muslim population is expected to surpass the U.S. Jewish population."

Yes, it's called immigration. Notice how welcoming the US is for Muslim migrants, it's because the US is actually a tolerant country. Notice furhtermore how so many Muslims want to move to the US, i.e away from majority Muslim countries. What does that say about the Islamic world in general?

Quote: poverty, illteracy and tyranny are globally spread not only in the "islamic sphere"

They are much more prevalent amongst Islamic nations than the rest of the world. Furthermore those nations have been gifted with vast natural resources which their backwards cultures are making sure is completely wasted.

Quote: but i am happy to tell you that quran by itself is a school....

Yes, I know that you believe, and many other Muslims believe, that reading a 1400 year old, poorly written and internally inconsistent, book represents signficant schooling but that would probably be why so much of the Muslim world is so damn backwards; and why so many Muslims seem desperate to move to explicitly secular place like Europe and the US.

[Muslima]

Robin Hood wrote: Malaysia is the exception, but most of the production is performed via the ethnically Chinese non-Muslim minority.

it is true, but muslims are trying....i don't why you are being so mentally rigid, you refuse to accept whatever i say, which is really strange, but i am not lying there many attempts for production but they are only distributed within islamic countries at the maximum, because the productions are culturally.....if you go to syria, eygpt, iran, KSA you will find many productions.....others do also but much less......

Quote: Yes, it's called immigration. Notice how welcoming the US is for Muslim migrants, it's because the US is actually a tolerant country. Notice furhtermore how so many Muslims want to move to the US, i.e away from majority Muslim countries. What does that say about the Islamic world in general?


its not always immigration. I know that US is a welcoming country as all the countries on this globe, muslims want to immigrate to US for jobs basically, because of the huge rate of unemployment, which is a big problem.....but have you ever thought why there are no jobs in arabic countries, not islamic since it differs, why people are poor?
just keep religion out of the way when thinking...if you don't get the answer i will be happy to tell you......


Quote: They are much more prevalent amongst Islamic nations than the rest of the world. Furthermore those nations have been gifted with vast natural resources which their backwards cultures are making sure is completely wasted.

i know there are many natural resources, but do you what happens to them?
they are transported to the US...

Quote: Yes, I know that you believe, and many other Muslims believe, that reading a 1400 year old, poorly written and internally inconsistent, book represents signficant schooling but that would probably be why so much of the Muslim world is so damn backwards; and why so many Muslims seem desperate to move to explicitly secular place like Europe and the US.

even if it is old, it is not poorly written nor it is internally inconsistent......the quran has nothing to do with the islamic status, actually when muslims left the quran they became backward......look through histroy to make sure......
have you ever read the quran to judge it?

[timepass]

muslima, you forgot to answer me.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: don't why you are being so mentally rigid, you refuse to accept whatever i say, which is really strange,

Perhaps because what you are saying is not true? For me not to accept whatever you say, it must also mean that you don't accept whatever I say.

Quote: but i am not lying there many attempts for production but they are only distributed within islamic countries at the maximum, because the productions are culturally.....if you go to syria, eygpt, iran, KSA you will find many productions.....others do also but much less......

Almost nothing is created in those countries...well except for the oil piped out of the ground. They are poor and backwards.

Quote: its not always immigration. I know that US is a welcoming country as all the countries on this globe,

No, Muslim countries aren't exactly welcoming to immigrants. THe migrant worker experience in KSA is, shall we understate, not pleasant one.

Quote: muslims want to immigrate to US for jobs basically, because of the huge rate of unemployment, which is a big problem.....but have you ever thought why there are no jobs in arabic countries, not islamic since it differs, why people are poor?
just keep religion out of the way when thinking...if you don't get the answer i will be happy to tell you......

Why are majority Muslim countries poor and Western countries rich. THe fact that so many people desperately want to move to the West is a ringing endorsement of our culture and what it enables us to produce. Islamic countries are so backwards due to the same type of idiotic thinking that got millions of people upset over some cartoons...sorry, not upset but murderous.

Quote: i know there are many natural resources, but do you what happens to them?
they are transported to the US...

And the US pays very well for them, enabling idle idiots in Saudi Arabia to live off of migrants workers and the oil that gushes from the ground. That's lucky for them but their culture of indolence is going to have to change as the market for oil fades over the next 50 years otherwise it'll go back to being the country of illiterate goat herders that it was until Western - i.e produced in (relative) freedom - expertise allowed them to a live a life they'd never been capable of giving themselves.

Quote: even if it is old, it is not poorly written nor it is internally inconsistent......the quran has nothing to do with the islamic status, actually when muslims left the quran they became backward......look through histroy to make sure......
have you ever read the quran to judge it?

I have read the Quran, or at least parts of it, and own a copy myself. I should have learnt my lesson when I wasted my money on Mein Kampf, but no I went and bought another overly-long piece of lunatic's ramblings..... you prescribe reading the Quran even more - a 1400 year old book - in order to move forwards? Notice how it is the most secular countries in the Muslim world that have done best...could it not be that, if there is a god, she wanted people to use their brains and bodies not idly demand wealth from her or from others.

[Muslima]

timepass wrote: muslima, you forgot to answer me.

sorry i thought i did.....

percentages sometimes prove things.....