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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: Here is an important question for all muslims |
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Please answer if this man's pronouncement is ANTI-ISLAMIC.
CAIRO, Egypt - Ayman al-Zawahri , Al-Qaida’s No. 2 praised Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a videotape broadcast Friday
“God bless the prophet of Islam in Iraq, the persistent hero of Islam,
the holy warrior Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," al-Zawahri said.
Did Al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader call Abu Musab al-Zarqawi a Prophet?
I thought Mohammad was the last Prophet?
I guess I'm asking if these muslims are desecrating Islam with each breath yet,
receive wide support by fellow muslims none-the-less.
Here's another example:
Taliban leader a man of mystery
Wrapped in prophet Mohammed's sacred cloak
"He retrieved the sacred cloak of the Prophet Mohammad from its Kandahar shrine where it had lain in darkness for 60 years, emerged onto the roof of a building wrapped in the garment and was cheered by delighted mullahs assembled below him."
Isn't this one act akin to Hero Worship?
Is there anything written in Islam about revering the cloak of Mohammad that I'm not aware of?
Can a modern-day Muslim be considered a Prophet? |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Don't believe them is my only answer......
they used islam in a negative way and still are, just don't....... |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: Don't believe them is my only answer......
they used islam in a negative way and still are, just don't.......
It is not I that shouldn't believe them Muslima, it is the Muslims worldwide who cheer and praise their efforts who need to "just don't" .
Major Religions of the World Ranked by Number of Adherents
Islam: 1.3 billion
Which brings ME right back to my earlier statement: SILENCE is PERMISSION |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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well.....as a muslim i should do something about right?
i am trying and if god wills their beliefs will change to the right one.... |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: well.....as a muslim i should do something about right?
i am trying and if god wills their beliefs will change to the right one....
Please do not take my admonitions as a personal attack on your efforts.
Although you're religion has many good social rules for living a just & prudent lifestyle,
the application of these regulations by the majority is ... lacking.
We in the West hear from Muslims that Islam is the Best and Only True path to follow yet,
a cursory review of Muslims practicing these social dictates reveals a dismal prospect that
the path you promote is not practical without brutal enforcement upon the populace.
If I (or the world) were to see a shining example of a society which performed well for the benefit of all it's people,
don't you think many more would gravitate toward emulating that example? |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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of course more would, but the problems are
many don't know advanced english, many think it will lead them to trouble, many think it is a waste of time and so on...... |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Quote: Did Al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader call Abu Musab al-Zarqawi a Prophet?
It is highly unlikely that that was his intention. I believe he just wanted to praise him but it gave the wrong meaning.
Quote: I thought Mohammad was the last Prophet?
Yes he was.
Quote: I guess I'm asking if these muslims are desecrating Islam with each breath yet,
receive wide support by fellow muslims none-the-less.
Care to point out to me where is this "wide support"? There are 6 million muslims in France, more than 8 million in the US, many millions in most European countries and I just dont see them walking in the streets praising El Zawarhi or Bin Laden and I definitely dont see them blowing themselves up. So again, where is this "wide support" that you are talking about?
Quote: Isn't this one act akin to Hero Worship?
I dont think so, it is preceived in many cultures that if you wear something that belonged to a Hero or a magician or even a prophet like Jesus (but in this case the not a piece of cloth but the holy grail) you will be blessed. Is there such a concept in Islam? Well I do know that prophet Muhammed sometimes gave some of his belongings to some of his companions and they churiched it alot and I believe they had some sort of blessing.
Quote: Is there anything written in Islam about revering the cloak of Mohammad that I'm not aware of?
As far as I know: No
Quote: Can a modern-day Muslim be considered a Prophet?
Muhammed was the last prophet sent by God. |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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pharaoh wrote: Quote: Did Al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader call Abu Musab al-Zarqawi a Prophet?
It is highly unlikely that that was his intention. I believe he just wanted to praise him but it gave the wrong meaning.
~snip~.
"God bless the prophet of Islam in Iraq, the persistent hero of Islam, the Holy Warriors Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," al-Zawahiri said.
Adnkronos International (AKI)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13220376/wid/7279844/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/09/terror/main1696861.shtml?source=RSS&attr=HOME_1696861
Quote: An Al-Jazeera anchorman said that the tape was made before the announcement of al-Zarqawi's death Thursday, because al-Zawahri praised the al Qaeda in Iraq leader's efforts to confront U.S.-led forces in Iraq.
"God bless the prophet of Islam in Iraq, the persistent hero of Islam, the Holy Warrior Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," al-Zawahri said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060609/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_zawahri_tape
Quote: "God bless the prophet of Islam in Iraq, the persistent hero of Islam, the Holy Warrior Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," al-Zawahri said.
Don't you think Al-Jazeera translated his words correctly ? |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| I wasnt talking about a mistranlation of what he said. I am just saying that what he said shouldnt be taken literaly. We dont believe in the coming of another prophet, so it is highly unlikely that El Zawarhi really intended to describe El Zarqawi as a new prophet. |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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pharaoh wrote: I wasnt talking about a mistranlation of what he said. I am just saying that what he said shouldnt be taken literaly. We dont believe in the coming of another prophet, so it is highly unlikely that El Zawarhi really intended to describe El Zarqawi as a new prophet.
You really believe someone in hiding, fomenting a world war doesn't utilize precise language when preparing a video for worldwide consumption by his 'brother's in arms' ?
It's not like the guy was sitting in a coffee house and was overheard expressing his opinion.
This was a prepared statement.
How can you say he made a mistake in the choosing of his words? |
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pharaoh
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: pharaoh wrote: I wasnt talking about a mistranlation of what he said. I am just saying that what he said shouldnt be taken literaly. We dont believe in the coming of another prophet, so it is highly unlikely that El Zawarhi really intended to describe El Zarqawi as a new prophet.
You really believe someone in hiding, fomenting a world war doesn't utilize precise language when preparing a video for worldwide consumption by his 'brother's in arms' ?
It's not like the guy was sitting in a coffee house and was overheard expressing his opinion.
This was a prepared statement.
How can you say he made a mistake in the choosing of his words?
Whether he made a mistake or not I dont care. I just want to tell you that all of the arab media didnt take his words literally. |
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henri
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To the honorable Richard Owl.
Ayman al Zawahri does not represent Islam as much as Cardinal Law of Boston represents the R. Catholic religion.
There are hordes of Catrholic priest-pedophile roaming around the world. Does it mean that the R.Catholic religion is the religion for pedophiles or a pedohiles religion?
Dubya claimed that he talked to God and had permission to go to war in Iraq. Does it mean that this serial liar is a messenger of God? |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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henri wrote: To the honorable Richard Owl.
Ayman al Zawahri does not represent Islam as much as Cardinal Law of Boston represents the R. Catholic religion.
There are hordes of Catrholic priest-pedophile roaming around the world. Does it mean that the R.Catholic religion is the religion for pedophiles or a pedohiles religion?
Dubya claimed that he talked to God and had permission to go to war in Iraq. Does it mean that this serial liar is a messenger of God?
SILENCE is Permission, any way you slice it. |
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Showboat
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: henri wrote: To the honorable Richard Owl.
Ayman al Zawahri does not represent Islam as much as Cardinal Law of Boston represents the R. Catholic religion.
There are hordes of Catrholic priest-pedophile roaming around the world. Does it mean that the R.Catholic religion is the religion for pedophiles or a pedohiles religion?
Dubya claimed that he talked to God and had permission to go to war in Iraq. Does it mean that this serial liar is a messenger of God?
SILENCE is Permission, any way you slice it.
Your an American, right? Did you protest your country's funding of the IRA or are you infact a terrorism supporter yourself? |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Showboat wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: henri wrote: To the honorable Richard Owl.
Ayman al Zawahri does not represent Islam as much as Cardinal Law of Boston represents the R. Catholic religion.
There are hordes of Catrholic priest-pedophile roaming around the world. Does it mean that the R.Catholic religion is the religion for pedophiles or a pedohiles religion?
Dubya claimed that he talked to God and had permission to go to war in Iraq. Does it mean that this serial liar is a messenger of God?
SILENCE is Permission, any way you slice it.
Your an American, right? Did you protest your country's funding of the IRA or are you infact a terrorism supporter yourself?
I personally have been against all terror-driven campaigns and have spoken out prolifically and consistantly.
Your in Singapore, right? Have you spoken out about the Jemaah Islamiyah ? |
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pharaoh
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Quote: I personally have been against all terror-driven campaigns and have spoken out prolifically and consistantly.
Oh, what did you do exactly? |
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Showboat
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Showboat wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: henri wrote: To the honorable Richard Owl.
Ayman al Zawahri does not represent Islam as much as Cardinal Law of Boston represents the R. Catholic religion.
There are hordes of Catrholic priest-pedophile roaming around the world. Does it mean that the R.Catholic religion is the religion for pedophiles or a pedohiles religion?
Dubya claimed that he talked to God and had permission to go to war in Iraq. Does it mean that this serial liar is a messenger of God?
SILENCE is Permission, any way you slice it.
Your an American, right? Did you protest your country's funding of the IRA or are you infact a terrorism supporter yourself?
I personally have been against all terror-driven campaigns and have spoken out prolifically and consistantly.
Your in Singapore, right? Have you spoken out about the Jemaah Islamiyah ?
Well I'm not a Muslim, or a Singaporean for that matter.
I know if asked, all the Muslims I know here would hate that lot. And protesting in the streets is not exactly allowed here. |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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pharaoh wrote: Quote: I personally have been against all terror-driven campaigns and have spoken out prolifically and consistantly.
Oh, what did you do exactly?
Hmm? In order to answer your request I'd have to give up my anonymity. |
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henri
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: henri wrote: To the honorable Richard Owl.
Ayman al Zawahri does not represent Islam as much as Cardinal Law of Boston represents the R. Catholic religion.
There are hordes of Catrholic priest-pedophile roaming around the world. Does it mean that the R.Catholic religion is the religion for pedophiles or a pedohiles religion?
Dubya claimed that he talked to God and had permission to go to war in Iraq. Does it mean that this serial liar is a messenger of God?
SILENCE is Permission, any way you slice it.
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I said my piece. Is that silence? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Here is an important question for all muslims |
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Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Please answer if this man's pronouncement is ANTI-ISLAMIC.
CAIRO, Egypt - Ayman al-Zawahri , Al-Qaida’s No. 2 praised Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a videotape broadcast Friday
“God bless the prophet of Islam in Iraq, the persistent hero of Islam,
the holy warrior Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," al-Zawahri said.
Did Al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader call Abu Musab al-Zarqawi a Prophet?
I thought Mohammad was the last Prophet?
I guess I'm asking if these muslims are desecrating Islam with each breath yet,
receive wide support by fellow muslims none-the-less.
Here's another example:
Taliban leader a man of mystery
Wrapped in prophet Mohammed's sacred cloak
"He retrieved the sacred cloak of the Prophet Mohammad from its Kandahar shrine where it had lain in darkness for 60 years, emerged onto the roof of a building wrapped in the garment and was cheered by delighted mullahs assembled below him."
Isn't this one act akin to Hero Worship?
Yes.
Quote: Is there anything written in Islam about revering the cloak of Mohammad that I'm not aware of?
I don't know, but such "sainthood" is forbidden in Islam.
Quote: Can a modern-day Muslim be considered a Prophet?
No. But to answer your main question:
Quote: Please answer if this man's pronouncement is ANTI-ISLAMIC.
Yes. |
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