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Abood · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 22

Take a look at this stuff and judge for yourself.

If you want more, look in here.
GRAPHIC PICTURES!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Simon De Montfort · Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Posts: 2204 Location: Huntsville, Al

Well war s*cks.

Maybe Israel wouldn't have to retaliate if Palestinians were strapping bombs to their children and send them to blow up Israeli civilians.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8281 Location: Petah Tikva

I call bulls**t.

Firstly The Qana Shelling was an accident caused by our response to Hezbollah attacks from the area.

Secondly... WTF look at those fake ass pictures! One person is a god damn skeleton and has smoke and steam coming from the corpse!

Another is a picture of an IDF soldier holding an obviously fake image of a dead child, since there were no IDF soldiers at Qana that is not possible. Also the child is alleged to having his head ripped off by Shrapnel. Fine, why are his clothes in impecable shape with no signs of blood or anything out of the ordinary at all? He had his head blown off for christ sake.

Another picture is of a uniformed dead combatant, soldier, etc, killed by multiple gunshot wounds it would seem.

Then apparently a pile of corpses without any damage and perfectly clean lying on a floor with photos being snapped nonstop. Wheres the blood? Wheres the wounds? Wheres the damage to the room they were supposidly killed in?

The pictures are riduculous and the site is even more insane pinning some 22,000 Lebanese deaths during the civil war on us and going on a tirade about wild zionist attacks etc.

Your site is bulls**t.

Zoot · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1897

Simon De Montfort wrote: Well war s*cks.

Maybe Israel wouldn't have to retaliate if Palestinians were strapping bombs to their children and send them to blow up Israeli civilians.

The first Palestinian suicide-bombing against Israel occurred in 1994. The first Palestinian suicide-bomber younger than 18 years old was four years after the events mentioned in the OP. All up, there have been 60 attempted suicide-bombings by Palestinian minors (not necessarily against civilian targets), all between 16 and 18. According to the IDF, 29 were successful. The Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers reported "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups."

There are 3.7 million Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank. What you seem to be saying is that because, out of 3.7 million people, those 60 16- to 18-year-olds are reflective of "Palestinians strapping bombs to their children and sending them to blow up Israeli civilians", which makes the overwhelmingly more powerful IDF's attacks on 3.7 million people just the way the cookie crumbles.

And it's worth saying twice - the events in the OP occurred four years before the first attempted Palestinian suicide-bombing minor.

So the picture you paint of an entire people who sit around sending their kids to their murderous deaths is a little misleading.

DavidXV · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 9828

It's hisorical events not hysterical events, what are you saying Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself from the continuous onslaught of deranged murdering lunatics?

Zoot · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1897

DavidXV wrote: It's hisorical events not hysterical events, what are you saying Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself from the continuous onslaught of deranged murdering lunatics?

It could start by not electing them into office.

Abood · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 22

Quote:
Firstly The Qana Shelling was an accident caused by our response to Hezbollah attacks from the area.

During Operation "Grapes of Wrath", warnings given by Israel and later by Hizbullah to Lebanese and Israeli civilians appear to have been intended to spread panic among the civilian populations rather than to ensure their safety. Unlawful IDF attacks described in this report include an attack on an ambulance carrying civilians, killing six of them; an attack on a house in upper Nabatiyya that killed nine civilians; and the attack on the UN compound at Qana that killed 102 civilians. Hizbullah unlawfully launched rocket attacks on populated areas in northern Israel wounding many civilians.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150421996

Note how the Israeli attack came first.

Quote:
Secondly... WTF look at those fake ass pictures! One person is a god damn skeleton and has smoke and steam coming from the corpse! Are you blind or what?! Don't you see all the blood!!! :x Don't you see all the blood on the floor? Don't you see all the blood on their clothes? Don't you see all the blood on their bodies?!

Goddamn u!!!

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:32 am Post subject:

Neither side is inncocent.

Frankly in light of the concessions that israel recently has been trying to make that get thrown back in there face eveytime im far more on there side these days.

Spider · Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:22 am Post subject:

superskippy wrote:
Secondly... WTF look at those fake ass pictures! One person is a god damn skeleton and has smoke and steam coming from the corpse!

I'm sure there are a lot of propagand photos circulating around. Maybe these are some of them, maybe they are real.

People will see/beleive what they want to beleive.

People are dying over there in horrible ways, and I think its within the realm of possibility that these are authentic pictures, but maybe taken out of context. The whole flavor of that site screams "!!!PROPAGANDA!!!" but when people are blowing each other up, this kinda thing is everywhere. War s*cks, but focusing on gory pictures does no good.

Rizla · Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 1371 Location: UK

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Neither side is inncocent.

Frankly in light of the concessions that israel recently has been trying to make that get thrown back in there face eveytime im far more on there side these days.

What concessions would those be?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8281 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: During Operation "Grapes of Wrath", warnings given by Israel and later by Hizbullah to Lebanese and Israeli civilians appear to have been intended to spread panic among the civilian populations rather than to ensure their safety.

With what evidance? The Qana Shelling occurred on an area that we had been recieving fire from that very day. We responded without knowledge of civilians there.

Quote: Note how the Israeli attack came first.

It didnt.

Quote: Are you blind or what?! Don't you see all the blood!!! Don't you see all the blood on the floor? Don't you see all the blood on their clothes? Don't you see all the blood on their bodies?!

What are you talking about? There is no blood it is a skeleton that is smoking!

Quote: I'm sure there are a lot of propagand photos circulating around. Maybe these are some of them, maybe they are real.

If you can give me a way where an artillary shell would turn a person into a perfectly complete skeleton while melting off all the flesh, and then while causing no damage to the skeleton having it smoking?

It's not even possible.

Quote: What concessions would those be?

Gaza, putting 45% of the West Bank under PA jurisdiction and allowing them control of those areas. We have recieved nothing in return only demands.

Rizla · Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 1371 Location: UK

Quote: Gaza, putting 45% of the West Bank under PA jurisdiction and allowing them control of those areas. We have recieved nothing in return only demands.

Oh, you mean pulling your people out of Gaza and relocating them in the Westbank, thereby grabbing more land (While still besieging Gaza and shelling the areas you vacated), building a wall, annexing more land, and making a grab for Jeruselem.

And wow, they get jurisdiction over a whopping 45% of what little land they have left. How fecking generous of you. I bet that 45% is getting smaller day-by-day.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8281 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: Oh, you mean pulling your people out of Gaza and relocating them in the Westbank, thereby grabbing more land

People equals land and all the people of Gaza were brought to the West Bank?

Quote: (While still besieging Gaza and shelling the areas you vacated),

Blowing the crap out of the terrorists and rocket sites wont cease just because we left. They shoudl have known that.

Quote: building a wall

Of course :tu: :clap: :tu:

Quote: , annexing more land,

What new territory has been incorperated into the state of Israel?

Quote: and making a grab for Jeruselem.

We cant grab something that is ours. It is our capital in it's entirety.

Quote: And wow, they get jurisdiction over a whopping 45% of what little land they have left.

It's more than Hamas deserves for the fact that they have done nothing in return.

Quote: How fecking generous of you.

I agree and I wish more people understood that, I'm glad to see you do to.

Rizla · Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 1371 Location: UK

Quote: I agree and I wish more people understood that, I'm glad to see you do to.
Not me, I'll continue to support the armed struggle until all the zionists are back where they belong in eastern europe.

Matt C. · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Outside of Chicago

Abood wrote: Take a look at this stuff and judge for yourself.

If you want more, look in here.
GRAPHIC PICTURES!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Wow, texy on a shi**y two bit site!

You really got me!

Maybe if the palestinians and arabs in general wouldnt call for the destruction of Israel every month........

And oh look, not even 50 pictures, of things that may not have been done by Israel!

You convinced me!

...........Just plain no.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8281 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: Not me, I'll continue to support the armed struggle until all the zionists are back where they belong in eastern europe.

The time has past where force of arms could drive us out. We are there to stay that has to be accepted or war will continue and the Arabs will always bleed more heavily than we do if it continues.

But I'm glad to know you so thoughtfully support a total war against Israel to drive us from the Middle East and send it's citizens back to Poland. Really it does wonders to display what kind of person you are and how honestly sensible in mind you are.

Matt C. · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Outside of Chicago

superskippy wrote: Quote: Not me, I'll continue to support the armed struggle until all the zionists are back where they belong in eastern europe.

The time has past where force of arms could drive us out. We are there to stay that has to be accepted or war will continue and the Arabs will always bleed more heavily than we do if it continues.

But I'm glad to know you so thoughtfully support a total war against Israel to drive us from the Middle East and send it's citizens back to Poland. Really it does wonders to display what kind of person you are and how honestly sensible in mind you are.

Don't even take these people seriously.

These liberal minded fools constantly treat Israel like s**t just because it wants to exist and the arabs are whining about jews LIVING in the middle east..........

Zoot · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1897

Quote: Don't even take these people seriously.

These liberal minded fools constantly treat Israel like s**t just because it wants to exist and the arabs are whining about jews LIVING in the middle east..........

You are either misinformed or lying.

Matt C. · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Outside of Chicago

About what?

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18816

Israel should just wipe them off the face of the Earth and take the whole damn pie.