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Patricia LaRue
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject: Why is this a Federal Issue? |
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Why is this issue part of the Presidential Platform? Where's the separation of Church and State? Where is freedom? No...I'm not talking about "freedom" to have reckless abandon.
Freedom has a price. That price is called "personal" "responsibility". It is not my responsibility to be my sisters keeper however, as a Christian, it is my responsibility to offer compassion, not criticism. It is certainly none of my business if she has an abortion.
Can anyone tell me who it was who said "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." People on both sides can agree that we disagree. But I will fight to the death our right to disagree.
Shouldn't our Federal concerns include National Security and Road Construction? I really don't believe such personal issues should be part of a National Debate. Please don't force me to agree with you and I won't force you to agree with me.
Thank you,
Patricia |
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Voltaire
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| hmmm, I know that quote from somewhere...I'll get back to you on that.. |
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Mac
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Voltaire wrote: hmmm, I know that quote from somewhere...I'll get back to you on that..
I believe that this is his/her way of saying the quote was coined by Voltaire. |
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Voltaire
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lol
Patty, I replied to you where you originally posted this "original" thought:
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=71423#71423 |
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John Galt
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| This isn't a seperation of church and state issue. This is however, an issue that should be decided by the states, and is why Roe v. Wade is wrong (in addition to the whole sanctioning murder thing) |
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Patricia LaRue
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Voltaire:
I was looking at your message again this morning and got it... :P lol
You know, it's hard for me to be opinionated when I've been cursed with an open mind. Almost everybody has a reasonable point of view, which can cause me to waffle about even the subjects with which I have strong opinions.
That is why I appreciate this forum so much. This is the most fun I've had on the Internet since I got addicted to ebay. :shock:
Have a great day,
Patricia |
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Patricia LaRue
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John Galt wrote: This isn't a seperation of church and state issue. This is however, an issue that should be decided by the states, and is why Roe v. Wade is wrong (in addition to the whole sanctioning murder thing)
John:
Ok. I think I got what you are saying too. You argue that the issue is not one of seperation of church and state and it also should not be a Federal issue. Further, since the decision should not be made at the Federal level and Roe v. Wade was decided in the Federal Supreme Court, then Roe v. Wade "as a Federal dicision" is wrong and the debate over the legality of abortion should be left up to the individual states. Which would preclude this issue from being any part of a Presidential Platform.
Wow, there are so many angles to look at this topic. The subject itself is far more complex than many people even realize. The tug-of-war is not only between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice, but also between Federal and Statehood.
Thank you, sincerely, for pointing that out!
Have a great day,
Patricia |
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Plodder
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| murder is always that. |
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Izzibeth
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Plodder wrote: murder is always that.
murder is tried at the state level (in most cases)... and i think that goes along perfectly with some peoples' suggestion that abortion should be decided at a state level as well. |
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Selfish_Meme
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| The US Constitution says you can take the life of a person as long as due process is done. Therefore Federally the issue is already decided unless the constitution is to be changed. If a state says its Ok to have abortions then its OK, if it says its not Ok then its not OK, same as the death penalty. |
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bigstick61
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| The State passing a law that allows someone to be killed arbitrarily is not the same as due process. Due process involves the judicial process that is part of Common Law. |
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Plodder
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| due process of the law meanse that each person needs the due process of the law. |
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Publius2006
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| Although it may seem that leaving the issue of abortion for the states to decide is the fair and prudent thing to do, I believe that any politician advocating such a move is only trying to avoid the issue. Let's look at this realistically... leaving the issue up to the states would create a situation in which some states allowed abortions, and others did not. Then, those women who live in states where abortion is outlawed could simply travel to a state where it is legal in order to have the procedure carried out. Would this solve the tension between advocates and opponents of abortion? Absolutely not. |
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Gitana
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| Until a fertilized ovum is legally classified a 'human being,' all the personal views of abortion as murder are legally non-existant, as are the debates over due process before killing. |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Why is this a Federal Issue? |
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Patricia LaRue wrote: Why is this issue part of the Presidential Platform? Where's the separation of Church and State? Where is freedom? No...I'm not talking about "freedom" to have reckless abandon.
Freedom has a price. That price is called "personal" "responsibility". It is not my responsibility to be my sisters keeper however, as a Christian, it is my responsibility to offer compassion, not criticism. It is certainly none of my business if she has an abortion.
Can anyone tell me who it was who said "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." People on both sides can agree that we disagree. But I will fight to the death our right to disagree.
Shouldn't our Federal concerns include National Security and Road Construction? I really don't believe such personal issues should be part of a National Debate. Please don't force me to agree with you and I won't force you to agree with me.
Thank you,
Patricia
Hmm, should murder also be a state issue? |
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Izzibeth
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Why is this a Federal Issue? |
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perdidochas wrote: Patricia LaRue wrote: Why is this issue part of the Presidential Platform? Where's the separation of Church and State? Where is freedom? No...I'm not talking about "freedom" to have reckless abandon.
Freedom has a price. That price is called "personal" "responsibility". It is not my responsibility to be my sisters keeper however, as a Christian, it is my responsibility to offer compassion, not criticism. It is certainly none of my business if she has an abortion.
Can anyone tell me who it was who said "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." People on both sides can agree that we disagree. But I will fight to the death our right to disagree.
Shouldn't our Federal concerns include National Security and Road Construction? I really don't believe such personal issues should be part of a National Debate. Please don't force me to agree with you and I won't force you to agree with me.
Thank you,
Patricia
Hmm, should murder also be a state issue?
technically, it is. you are tried at the state level for murder. rarely are you tried at a federal level.
i see nothing wrong with abortion being a state-decided issue. the states are supposed to be, in a way, their own separate... states. hence, why each has a state government. federal government, at first, was only mainly concerned with issues effecting interstate commerce and the like. murder issues among others were left up to each individual state to decide (that's why some states have the death penalty and some don't.) i believe that the same should be applied to abortion. |
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AllAmericanMan
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To the OP, what does abortion have to do with church? I am extremely anti abortion and I am not religious at all...
Abortion is a civil rights issue and should be banned at a federal level, just like slavery and women's rights was dealt with at a federal level.
Ill defend your right to argue your points, but I will not defend your right to murder an unborn child. I will not just leave it at agree to disagree... |
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Selfish_Meme
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If abortion is murder then it should be dealt with by the state, the same as any murder of a born child is dealt with by the state.
(Not saying abortion is murdering a child...quick look over there a rabbit!...scamper scamper) |
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