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[TeRRaVen52]

It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.

Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.

[LostSoul3412]

I believe that every person on the planet is bisexual, but the difference is that you just have to find the right person for you. Everyone has someone out there for them, a soul-mate if you will, and I believe there is a connection between those two people that is already there, but just needs to be found. Sometimes that other person is of the same sex as the original individual, and sometimes it is of the opposite sex. You cannot choose who you love, you just simple do and it cannot be explained. The same applies to sexuality, homosexual or otherwise.

[Saf]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.
I'd like to see some proof of this. I'd also like to see proof that bisexuals and transsexuals have different brain structures. Furthermore, just because it is different, why does that automatically lead to "treatment" being necessitated?

Quote: Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.
They should be free to, as long as they are not infringing upon the rights of others. It does not affect you in any way if people interbreed or have sex with animals, so leave it alone.

[TeRRaVen52]

So your saying there should be absolutley no limitations upon who and what someone should be attracted to and fall in love with? Don't you think that's a little extreme? Incest couples who have children wouldn't be right, there children would turn out deformed. And yes I would like to look into the difference between the brain structure of a transsexual and a homosexual, I'd think they would be pretty similar.

[TeRRaVen52]

So your saying there should be absolutley no limitations upon who and what someone should be attracted to and fall in love with? Don't you think that's a little extreme? Incest couples who have children wouldn't be right, there children would turn out deformed. And yes I would like to look into the difference between the brain structure of a transsexual and a homosexual, I'd think they would be pretty similar.

[LostSoul3412]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: So your saying there should be absolutley no limitations upon who and what someone should be attracted to and fall in love with? Don't you think that's a little extreme? Incest couples who have children wouldn't be right, there children would turn out deformed. And yes I would like to look into the difference between the brain structure of a transsexual and a homosexual, I'd think they would be pretty similar.

The right to love is something that the government should never infringe upon. Freedom of the heart is the most important thing to anyone. I believe that no one, regardless of sexuality, should ever be told who or how to love. The government has no right to dictate our emotions. This stretches far beyond the individual's actions, to say that certain types of love are wrong. Personally, I am a heterosexual with a loving girlfriend, but I was born free from any sexuality, and it took time to discover that I was attracted to women only. Saying that you have to love members of the opposite sex goes against any form of any liberty the people were ever granted. The government has no right to restrict our external actions, and it certainly has no right to restrict our internal emotions; especially love.

[anonymous4reasons]

I got say the moral argument, homosexuality is wrong, call me whatever you want, but that is what i believe. Naturally speaking homosexuality for a species just doesn't work, we have to come to a fact that man and woman together just fits and thats how it is. Now don't get me wrong I do love other people including men, and this is understandable, its a kinda of love beyond frienship but no where near homosexuality which is way out of line and goes beyond the boundary for both men and women. This is my opinion, no scientific basis, and just one fact and that is men and women are ment to be together and everyone knows this. I dont think the government should be in on this I think the people should stand up and say this, they gays can do what they want, just to do it around me, my families, and my friends.

[LostSoul3412]

anonymous4reasons wrote: I got say the moral argument, homosexuality is wrong, call me whatever you want, but that is what i believe. Naturally speaking homosexuality for a species just doesn't work, we have to come to a fact that man and woman together just fits and thats how it is. Now don't get me wrong I do love other people including men, and this is understandable, its a kinda of love beyond frienship but no where near homosexuality which is way out of line and goes beyond the boundary for both men and women. This is my opinion, no scientific basis, and just one fact and that is men and women are ment to be together and everyone knows this. I dont think the government should be in on this I think the people should stand up and say this, they gays can do what they want, just to do it around me, my families, and my friends.

That is entirely acceptable. No one is saying that homosexuality must be enforced, and if you do not want it around you or your family, that is your choice. You can respect someone else's rights, but it is up to you the proximity of the other individual to yourself.

[Saf]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: So your saying there should be absolutley no limitations upon who and what someone should be attracted to and fall in love with? Don't you think that's a little extreme? Incest couples who have children wouldn't be right, there children would turn out deformed. And yes I would like to look into the difference between the brain structure of a transsexual and a homosexual, I'd think they would be pretty similar.
Yes, because it is absolutely, positively NONE of your damn business what they do. Period.

[TheWeeklyDebacle]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: So your saying there should be absolutley no limitations upon who and what someone should be attracted to and fall in love with? Don't you think that's a little extreme? Incest couples who have children wouldn't be right, there children would turn out deformed. And yes I would like to look into the difference between the brain structure of a transsexual and a homosexual, I'd think they would be pretty similar.

I think you need to get your analogies correct. Incest is not homosexuality. Sex with animals, although it's not your business, is not the same. I wonder what this country would be like if people worked WITH other people to solve economic and technological challenges instead of what Bill and Gary are doing in their home down the street.

[Canadian_Patriot]

It has been prooven in Europe i seen it on Dicsovery channel awhile back.

It not that the brains are really different from anyone elses it's that they are attracted to the pheramones of the same sex. It is also seen in the animal kingdom as well. It is not a disorder it is that they do not pick up the pheramones of the opposite sex like we do.

[George W Bush]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.

Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.

if you dont have facial symmetry, you are percieved 'UGLY' (according to psychology).
does this make ugly people abnormal?

[Gus]

Moved to Gay & Lesbian.

[Enoch]

anonymous4reasons wrote: I got say the moral argument, homosexuality is wrong, call me whatever you want, but that is what i believe. Naturally speaking homosexuality for a species just doesn't work, we have to come to a fact that man and woman together just fits and thats how it is. Now don't get me wrong I do love other people including men, and this is understandable, its a kinda of love beyond frienship but no where near homosexuality which is way out of line and goes beyond the boundary for both men and women. This is my opinion, no scientific basis, and just one fact and that is men and women are ment to be together and everyone knows this. I dont think the government should be in on this I think the people should stand up and say this, they gays can do what they want, just to do it around me, my families, and my friends.

This is my favorite anti-gay argument. The appeal to tradition roled in with an appeal to ignorance. "Men and women are meant to be together, everyone knows that." This implies two things. First, that heterosexual relationships are the only relationships that are natural (which isn't true, if one looks at nature) and that if you don't "know" that fact, you are ignorant.

"I don't believe in homosexuality." Sorry, it's not Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. Belief isn't necessary.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Proven to what...?

Have any evidence to back your claims.

[spearsy23]

anonymous4reasons wrote: I got say the moral argument, homosexuality is wrong, call me whatever you want, but that is what i believe. Naturally speaking homosexuality for a species just doesn't work, we have to come to a fact that man and woman together just fits and thats how it is. Now don't get me wrong I do love other people including men, and this is understandable, its a kinda of love beyond frienship but no where near homosexuality which is way out of line and goes beyond the boundary for both men and women. This is my opinion, no scientific basis, and just one fact and that is men and women are ment to be together and everyone knows this. I dont think the government should be in on this I think the people should stand up and say this, they gays can do what they want, just to do it around me, my families, and my friends.


Okay i'm glad you have a problem with it but don't think the government should stop it. However who says men and women were supposed to be together? You? Do YOU get to make the decisions on whats wrong and right? The moral reason is stupid, there is nothing immoral about having sex with another person of the same sex. What is immoral about it? the only thing i can possibly think of is the sex for reasons other than reproduction religion crap. So WHAT do you think is immoral about it? (i seriously want to know)

[Sage Orator]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.
I suppose that if we could change genetics then it would definitly be possible to try change homosexuals. The problem with that is that most evidence point towards it being both genetics and early environment. Also, it isn't truly treatable through therapy.

Quote: Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother.
Nobody is genetically coded to be attracted towards individuals as they would have to be for incest to be acceptable. This isn't true for homosexuals, who are genetically coded to be attracted to a gender.
Quote: What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not?
Well, you don't see interspecies relationships among zoo animals, while you do with homosexual relationships. This indicates that homosexuality is more natural than bestiality.

[George W Bush]

UrielsFyre wrote: anonymous4reasons wrote: I got say the moral argument, homosexuality is wrong, call me whatever you want, but that is what i believe. Naturally speaking homosexuality for a species just doesn't work, we have to come to a fact that man and woman together just fits and thats how it is. Now don't get me wrong I do love other people including men, and this is understandable, its a kinda of love beyond frienship but no where near homosexuality which is way out of line and goes beyond the boundary for both men and women. This is my opinion, no scientific basis, and just one fact and that is men and women are ment to be together and everyone knows this. I dont think the government should be in on this I think the people should stand up and say this, they gays can do what they want, just to do it around me, my families, and my friends.

This is my favorite anti-gay argument. The appeal to tradition roled in with an appeal to ignorance. "Men and women are meant to be together, everyone knows that." This implies two things. First, that heterosexual relationships are the only relationships that are natural (which isn't true, if one looks at nature) and that if you don't "know" that fact, you are ignorant.

"I don't believe in homosexuality." Sorry, it's not Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. Belief isn't necessary.

i like that observation about Men and Women together is NORMAL, as a distorted POV.

One thing people that cling to this philosophy seem to forget(that Man + Woman = normal), is that the reason Men are so infatuated with women is BECAUSE of the differences between them.

Men dont have vaginas or breasts. Ah, but WOMAN do. This need to BE WITH someone so different from mens bodies (and viseversa) is ingrained in our attractions.

Heres this sexy woman, with large breasts and a place to put something somewhere that will feel really good, and there she is wooing me on.

well, didnt mean to get so graphic but i was illustrating the inconsistency with the philosophy that WOMAN + MAN = normal.

[Ray Nagin]

man + woman = correct

[Paxil]

Ray Nagin wrote: man + woman = correct



man + woman

man + man

woman + woman

they are all correct!