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Plodder
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: The Steen Legacy |
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| Now that he has been suspended for 2 weeks here is a little thread where we can remember this temporarily fallen mega poster. Please tell us your most vivid memories of this guy hat we all came to be familiar with. |
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Nicholas
Joined: 14 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I do not see the point of this thread. You can say what you like about him and it won't make a difference. Sure, you may loathe him and his responses, but at the end of the day, it's his opinion. Although, resembling name-calling everytime isn't ideal to making point. There are limitations.
I don't agree with him on every case, but ultimately, he is here to debate like the rest of us, and you Plodder. What we have to bear in mind is, there's absolutely NO consensus whatsoever with abortion. In order to live in the interests of freedom, we can do nothing but accept what others have to say. There are, of course, flaws and errors we or others make, but like I said, it's not something we can all come to terms with. |
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AllAmericanMan
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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1) when a mod sees this thread it will be locked
2) Steen didnt contribute to the level of debate, he stifled it for a very long time. Debating is one thing, calling everyone who disagrees with you women haters, liars, and cowards is quite another.
3) Now that he is gone, real discussion is once again taking place on this forum and it is oh so refreshing to see. |
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Politics Mstr
Joined: 26 Apr 2006
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Location: California
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| His arguments were made with no factual support, only pointless blabbering. His only intent was to persuade through belittlement. Completely inhumane if you ask me. |
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cap'n queasy
Joined: 15 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: His arguments were made with no factual support, only pointless blabbering.
That's pretty much what I thought about it. |
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The Grandmaster
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
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Location: West Lafayette, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Steen is a great man, who fights avidly for our cause. Though I don't agree with all his tactics, he does bring to the table a lot of good points, and links, and information. I have studied and argued the abortion debate for a long time, and have posted more in this forum than almost anyone, and still learned quite a bit from Steen. While if I could advice him on one thing, I would say he ought to take a more vulcan-like approach, and try to insult a little less, but Sailor Moon was far worse, believe me, and she got away with it for months and months. So while Steen isn't perfect, and should tone down the insults, he is a great warrior and a valued ally. |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| The Grandmaster wrote: Steen is a great man, who fights avidly for our cause. Though I don't agree with all his tactics, he does bring to the table a lot of good points, and links, and information. I have studied and argued the abortion debate for a long time, and have posted more in this forum than almost anyone, and still learned quite a bit from Steen. While if I could advice him on one thing, I would say he ought to take a more vulcan-like approach, and try to insult a little less, but Sailor Moon was far worse, believe me, and she got away with it for months and months. So while Steen isn't perfect, and should tone down the insults, he is a great warrior and a valued ally. Just curious was sailor moon pro life? |
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alclarkey
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| She started out as Pro-choice, then changed her positition. When she was pro-choice, she was like Steen. I can also say I don't agree with her pro-life tactics either. |
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WsTxRedRaider06
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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Location: Lubbock, Texas
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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alclarkey wrote: She started out as Pro-choice, then changed her positition. When she was pro-choice, she was like Steen. I can also say I don't agree with her pro-life tactics either.
Thats interesting....Why did she change her position? |
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Enoch
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: alclarkey wrote: She started out as Pro-choice, then changed her positition. When she was pro-choice, she was like Steen. I can also say I don't agree with her pro-life tactics either.
Thats interesting....Why did she change her position?
According to her claims, she had an abortion and it changed her view of the situation.
Now, while I can understand how that may alter one's perceptions; she was perhaps a little too....zealous....in her stance. |
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dtwizzy2k5
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| What? Steen is a guy?! Since when? And all this time i thought he was a girl. A male feminist, eh? ... |
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alclarkey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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dtwizzy2k5 wrote: What? Steen is a guy?! Since when? And all this time i thought he was a girl. A male feminist, eh? ...
Actually there is a saying going around, that feminism was actually devised by a male. Being that abortion frees up a male to spread his seed far and wide without a care in the world (all the babies he would have created are aborted) it just makes abortion mysognistic, as steen would have put it. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| it makes the abortionist mysoginistic |
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Coral
Joined: 14 Apr 2004
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Location: Hold 'em, Texas
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: |
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UrielsFyre wrote: WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: alclarkey wrote: She started out as Pro-choice, then changed her positition. When she was pro-choice, she was like Steen. I can also say I don't agree with her pro-life tactics either.
Thats interesting....Why did she change her position?
According to her claims, she had an abortion and it changed her view of the situation.
Now, while I can understand how that may alter one's perceptions; she was perhaps a little too....zealous....in her stance.
When she first came here she was pro-choice but she read enough pro-life literature to conclude that her abortion clinic had unethically pressured her into one.
I think there was more going in her life than any of us knew. |
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The Grandmaster
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
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WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: alclarkey wrote: She started out as Pro-choice, then changed her positition. When she was pro-choice, she was like Steen. I can also say I don't agree with her pro-life tactics either.
Thats interesting....Why did she change her position?
In short, it happened almost overnight really, but was probably brewing for some time. She claimed she saw a video, back in October that horrified her and turned her pro-life. I’ve read every post of every thread all the months around that time, and could find the exact post if I needed to. We later came to realize she thought her abortion was forced against her will. But in short, it was the video that did it, right around the middle of October.
dtwizzy2k5 wrote: What? Steen is a guy?! Since when? And all this time i thought he was a girl. A male feminist, eh? ...
I wasn't sure for a long time either, until reading him claim something about "My Wife" at one point.
AllAmericanMan wrote: Just curious was sailor moon pro life?
For most of her time here yes, and the most adamant one I’ve ever seen in my life. I think the forum was therepy or something for her. While we do it for a hobby, or for simply debate, I think it was an important part of her life. She posted all day, every day, and any response you made to her was replied to within minutes. It was…bizarre. She finally started e-mailing my personal account, and throwing insults there too. She had over 1,600 posts in abortion, and I’m not sure she had a lot else in her life for those months.
BTW...when is Steen coming back. In my semi-retirment, it's nice to see someone take over the pro-choice leader position. Plus I haven't seen Prole around much either. He probably got tired of it too...like me. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Quote: When she first came here she was pro-choice but she read enough pro-life literature to conclude that her abortion clinic had unethically pressured her into one.
have you considered that she was forced and coerced? lots of abortions occur because a guy wants the baby dead. a bill in one midwest state would make it a crime to coerce a woman to have an abortion but for some reason NOW and PP are opposed to the law. |
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Selfish_Meme
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| She wasn't coerced in that way. She claimed she was misled about abortion by the pro-choice literature and people working in the clinic. At the start she did make lots of valid points but at the end it was just ranting. She was advocating self harm as a legitimate abortion method at the end. |
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Gilbert1908
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I would say that both steen and sailor did nothing to prove Emerson incorrect.
"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." R.W. Emerson |
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Eternal
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Thread locked. This forum is for discussing the issues surrounding abortion, not individual members.
Cheers, Eternal |
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