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timepass · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 9

i would like to ask why did israel win the 6 day war?
did israel have superior technology or because of some other reasons?

Matt C. · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Outside of Chicago

For one, arab nations fight horribly in modern wars.

Also, Israel is fighting something most of the time, and they improve their military often.
They have one of the best air forces in the world, if not the best if you used a 1:1 ratio when it comes to dog fights.

They have extremely skilled soldiers in general.

They are fighting for the preservation of Israel and their history and people in general. In other words, if they lose, their entire world is gone.

They have better tacticians and so on.....

Not to mention the U.S. is a friend.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8289 Location: Petah Tikva

Well first off, we struck so quickly and with such force that we crushed their opening formations before our ground troops began the main thrusts.

Our biggest advantage was that in a few hours in the early morning due to well planned and well executed aerial assaults we destroyed the opposing Arab air fleets on the ground. We flew the rest of the war relitavely unoppposed.

Secondly the attacks were very fast, and using air support we cut a swathe through the opposing armies.

Also we mobelized our troops very quickly to the point where we had a parity of manpower on the fronts we faced and gained a quick breakthrough because of it.

And quite frankly our soldiers were just better trained and more motivated.

I could go on, but read a book on it.

Spider · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

Yes, I have often been impressed with what Isreal has been able to accomplish, they've only been at this since the middle of the last century, they are geographically very limited, and yet they have come out as the major player in their region.

It must help to have practically the whole world east of you threatening you with annialation all the time, I would assume. It'd certainly motivate me.

And isreal has the most to lose if this whole mess in the middle east gets too much worse.

timepass · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 9

Matt C. wrote: For one, arab nations fight horribly in modern wars.

Also, Israel is fighting something most of the time, and they improve their military often.
They have one of the best air forces in the world, if not the best if you used a 1:1 ratio when it comes to dog fights.

They have extremely skilled soldiers in general.

They are fighting for the preservation of Israel and their history and people in general. In other words, if they lose, their entire world is gone.

They have better tacticians and so on.....

Not to mention the U.S. is a friend.

i think U.S was not very close to israel in 1960s .

also on paper egypt had a better army.i mean better tanks better fighter planes etc. the only advantage i know that israel attacked first.

eynon · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject:

timepass wrote: Matt C. wrote: For one, arab nations fight horribly in modern wars.

Also, Israel is fighting something most of the time, and they improve their military often.
They have one of the best air forces in the world, if not the best if you used a 1:1 ratio when it comes to dog fights.

They have extremely skilled soldiers in general.

They are fighting for the preservation of Israel and their history and people in general. In other words, if they lose, their entire world is gone.

They have better tacticians and so on.....

Not to mention the U.S. is a friend.

i think U.S was not very close to israel in 1960s .

also on paper egypt had a better army.i mean better tanks better fighter planes etc. the only advantage i know that israel attacked first.

yeah on paper a Sherman tank shouldn't stand a chance against a T-54 or 55, but they smacked em...same goes for the Centurions vs the T-62s.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:28 am Post subject:

Classic example of Blitzkrieg doctrine in action

When it works you win hands down, however if it dosent work your front collapses and you leave you advanced units cut off.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6804 Location: Ohio

Quote: They are fighting for the preservation of Israel and their history and people in general. In other words, if they lose, their entire world is gone.

bulls**t. Israel was the aggressor.

Spider · Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:33 am Post subject:

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: They are fighting for the preservation of Israel and their history and people in general. In other words, if they lose, their entire world is gone.

bulls**t. Israel was the aggressor.

Technically, ya, Isreal was the aggressore. Consider their situation. I would sure as hell be agressive also, faced with that situation and those enemies. The one who strikes first is not necassarily the guilty party. In thier situation, failure to strike first would have been deeply stupid.

eynon · Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: They are fighting for the preservation of Israel and their history and people in general. In other words, if they lose, their entire world is gone.

bulls**t. Israel was the aggressor.

one question.....do you think Nasser would've given Tel-aviv back to the Israelis for the promise of peace? cause Israel gave the Sinai back to Eygpt.....

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15408 Location: Florida

timepass wrote: i would like to ask why did israel win the 6 day war?
did israel have superior technology or because of some other reasons?

Technology, intelligence, organization and determination.

eynon

perdidochas wrote: timepass wrote: i would like to ask why did israel win the 6 day war?
did israel have superior technology or because of some other reasons?

Technology, intelligence, organization and determination.

in many cases the Arabs had superior technology, nice new shiny Soviet stuff.........T-62 tank for example

melchizedek22 · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 370 Location: Holy Toledo

Israel won in 6 days because YHWH,rest on the 7th day

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15408 Location: Florida

Eynon81 wrote: perdidochas wrote: timepass wrote: i would like to ask why did israel win the 6 day war?
did israel have superior technology or because of some other reasons?

Technology, intelligence, organization and determination.

in many cases the Arabs had superior technology, nice new shiny Soviet stuff.........T-62 tank for example

Technology is more than just hardware. Technology is the application of science to everyday life. It includes techniques.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8289 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: bulls**t. Israel was the aggressor

War was coming either way, we just decided to hit first. Egypt and Syria were gearing up for war, we decided to oblidge them earlier than they had anticipated. We were recieved luke warm at best.

Quote: one question.....do you think Nasser would've given Tel-aviv back to the Israelis for the promise of peace? cause Israel gave the Sinai back to Eygpt.....

I'm not sure. If anything it would have been Syria in control of Tel'Aviv not Egypt (Geographically their much closer) and in that case no.

Even in Nassers case I would be no, if he did he would give Tel'Aviv and it's environs only as a mockery Jewish enclave state. The Arabs had much more political sway and capital when it came to dictating this sort of thing for numerous reasons.

Matt C. · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Outside of Chicago

Quote: i think U.S was not very close to israel in 1960s .

also on paper egypt had a better army.i mean better tanks better fighter planes etc. the only advantage i know that israel attacked first.

But all the gear in the world means nothing if the other soldiers are better at their job.

Quote: bulls**t. Israel was the aggressor.

Wow, more anti-Israeli horse s**t.

Stop for a second.

If the US was blockaded by a nation on both coasts, and then all of a sudden, that nation stacked troops at our borders to the north and south, what would you think to do?

f***ing sit and wait?

Get the pro arab garbage out of your thought pattern, and realize that was their only option.

Oh also, that comment I made mainly has to do with the first war against Israel and the pressure against the country in general.

Quote: one question.....do you think Nasser would've given Tel-aviv back to the Israelis for the promise of peace? cause Israel gave the Sinai back to Eygpt.....

I personally doubt it completely. :lol:

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

There's a few really good books on this conflict by the AP, go catch them, it's a read worth the time.

locke862 · Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 78

Israel won the war because the Arab nations got far into Israel. They thought that they got that far because Israel was setting a trap, but really Israel was just caught offgaurd. The Arab nations hesitated a little and the Israeli army counter-attacked. Without that hesitation Israel would have been crushed.

.locke. · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 89 Location: southwest ohio

locke862 wrote: Israel won the war because the Arab nations got far into Israel. They thought that they got that far because Israel was setting a trap, but really Israel was just caught offgaurd. The Arab nations hesitated a little and the Israeli army counter-attacked. Without that hesitation Israel would have been crushed.

bastard..... u stole my name..... just kidding... yes but the six day war was....well... it was defineitely not Israels fualt..... none of their wars have been their fault... in the case of the 1967 war it wenta little something like this.... http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORICAL_PERSPECTIVES/Israel_Wars_Maps___History/israel_wars_maps___history.asp#anchor3_1967map

1967 Six-Day War

"Hopes for another decade of relative tranquillity were dashed with the escalation of Arab terrorist raids across the Egyptian and Jordanian borders, persistent Syrian artillery bombardment of agricultural settlements in northern Galilee and massive military build-ups by the neighboring Arab states. When Egypt again moved large numbers of troops into the Sinai desert (May 1967), ordered the UN peacekeeping forces (deployed since 1957) out of the area, reimposed the blockade of the Straits of Tiran and entered into a military alliance with Jordan, Israel found itself faced by hostile Arab armies on all fronts. As Egypt had violated the arrangements agreed upon following the 1956 Sinai Campaign, Israel invoked its inherent right of self-defense, launching a preemptive strike (5 June 1967) against Egypt in the south, followed by a counterattack against Jordan in the east and the routing of Syrian forces entrenched on the Golan Heights in the north.

At the end of six days of fighting, previous cease-fire lines were replaced by new ones, with Judea, Samaria, Gaza, the Sinai peninsula and the Golan Heights under Israel's control. As a result, the northern villages were freed from 19 years of recurrent Syrian shelling; the passage of Israeli and Israel-bound shipping through the Straits of Tiran was ensured; and Jerusalem, which had been divided under Israeli and Jordanian rule since 1949, was reunified under Israel's authority."

i got this from http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORICAL_PERSPECTIVES/Israel_Wars_Maps___History/israel_wars_maps___history.asp#anchor3_1967map

as you can see... it was in no way Israels fault

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6804 Location: Ohio

Quote:
If the US was blockaded by a nation on both coasts, and then all of a sudden, that nation stacked troops at our borders to the north and south, what would you think to do?

Blockaded means they are not letting us move s**t off our own coasts. That is an act of aggression.

But stacking troops against our border? Not justification for war. I would be all for stacking our defenses up, but not for attacking.