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[MoscowMatt]

I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

[henri]

MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

*****

Why did the USA, Russia, Gr.Brittain, France, India, Pakistan and Israel need nuclear power?

[Rankor and Pissing]

MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

Sure. You'd think that Iran wouldn't necessarily need Nuclear power right? With Iran's unemployment rate at somewhere in the 14% range, and 40% below poverty level - why would their consumption of electricity predicate such a strong stand on a Heavy Water nuclear system... very good question.

Via population the closest countries in population in 2005 http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbrank.html you'll see Iran, Thailand and Turkey right next to each other. Does Turkey or Thailand have nuclear power? No. Are they also taking such a strong international stand for a heavy water program? No. Are their electric needs at least similiar? Yes, though Iran has by far the worst domestic issues... Thailand has a 1.5% unemployment rate and a 10% population below poverty. (2002) Turkey has a 9.6% unemployment rate and 20% below poverty (2002). They're doing much better domestically, so how come they aren't also bucking the world powers for heavy water nukes?

The answer is so simple - because they want a nuclear weapon silly! Anyone who says differently is either obtuse, brainwashed or just plain stupid. The facts say they want nukes period. They do sit on reserves to make enough electricity, even if they sell oil on the market, for a long long time. According to the EIA estimates in 2005, Iran has 944.670 TRILLION CUBIC FEET of Natural Gas reserves, and 130 Billion barrels of Crude Oil in reserves http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iea2004/table81.xls, Second in that ranking of oil to only Saudi Arabia who's got 262 billion barrels of crude, but only 238 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Just for perspective, The entire North America has 40.8 billion barrels of crude, but 273.661 trillion cubic feet of Natural Gas, Venezuela has 52.4 billion barrels of crude, and 150 trillion cubic feet of Natural gas.


Iran
Electricity - production: 129 billion kWh (2002)
Electricity - production by source: fossil fuel: 97.1%
hydro: 2.9%
nuclear: 0%
other: 0% (2001)
Electricity - consumption: 119.9 billion kWh (2002)
Electricity - exports: 0 kWh (2002)
Electricity - imports: 0 kWh (2002)
Oil - production: 3.962 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - consumption: 1.4 million bbl/day (2002 est.)
Oil - exports: 2.5 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - imports: NA
Oil - proved reserves: 130.8 billion bbl (2004 est.)
Natural gas - production: 79 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - consumption: 72.4 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - exports: 3.4 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - imports: 4.92 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves: 26.7 trillion cu m (2004)



Turkey
Electricity - production: 139.7 billion kWh (2003)
Electricity - production by source: fossil fuel: 79.3%
hydro: 20.4%
nuclear: 0%
other: 0.3% (2001)
Electricity - consumption: 117.9 billion kWh (2002)
Electricity - exports: 433 million kWh (2002)
Electricity - imports: 3.6 billion kWh (2002)
Oil - production: 48,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - consumption: 619,500 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - exports: 46,110 bbl/day (2001)
Oil - imports: 616,500 bbl/day (2001)
Oil - proved reserves: 288.4 million bbl (1 January 2002)
Natural gas - production: 312 million cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - consumption: 15.94 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - exports: 0 cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - imports: 15.75 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves: 8.685

Thailand
Electricity - production by source: fossil fuel: 91.3%
hydro: 6.4%
nuclear: 0%
other: 2.4% (2001)
Electricity - consumption: 106.1 billion kWh (2003)
Electricity - exports: 188 million kWh (2002)
Electricity - imports: 600 million kWh (2002)
Oil - production: 225,000 bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - consumption: 785,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - exports: NA
Oil - imports: NA
Oil - proved reserves: 600 million bbl (1 January 2003)
Natural gas - production: 18.73 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - consumption: 23.93 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - exports: 0 cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - imports: 5.2 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves: 368.2 billion cu m (1 January 2003)



It's plain to see... they want the bomb and that's that.

[Quicksurf]

henri wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

*****

Why did the USA, Russia, Gr.Brittain, France, India, Pakistan and Israel need nuclear power?

A clean dependable source of energy to get hippies off our backs.

That being said, nuclear power is dangerous and no one should really use it.

[Nico]

countries with Nuclear weapons don't get invaded, simple. They're more use sitting in a bunker than blowing something up.

Anyhoo, I could care less if Iran had a nuke. Let's face it, some countries have thousands of the things and a habit of bombing things to solve problems. You ask me who worries me more? If Iran had a hardon for bunker busting micro-nukes I would consider them as much of a concern as certain western countries...maybe.
]


OK, hands up who can tell me when the last time that an Iranian jet dropped a bomb on any western target? Also, who thinks the possibility of Iran getting one nuke is higher than Russia's basket case breakaway republics 'losing' one?

[Plato & Socrates]

MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

Come on MoscowMatt, your supposition has long ago been defeated on this forum and that is the "Oh it might fall into the wrong hands or what if they give it to the terrorists?"

Yes WMD's are frightening things and don't forget 95% of Israel's Arab enemies have chemical and biological weapons at their disposal. Yet none of these countries, even though I would guess some in their governments would wish too, have not even contemplated giving any of their stockpile of chemical & biological WMD's to a terrorist group.

Secondly Israel has a (multiple war-headed) nuclear arsenal pointed at every major Arab city with only Israels word that she would'nt use them unless in self defense. Now we all know how the nation of Israel thinks, could you imagine Israels Arab neighbours having the bomb and Israel agreeing to not develop her own bomb, knowing that her Arab neighbours have missiles pointed at Tel-Aviv, Haifa and every other Israeli city with a population over 10,000? So why would you expect her Arab neighbours to once again agree to terms and conditions she would'nt except herself?

Rankor and Pissing Your points are factually correct, plus I can also give the fact that sitting underneath Iran & Qatar combined is 51% of the worlds KNOWN gas reserves. So logically Iran pursuing nuclear technology to produce electricity makes absolutely no sense. But that is not the point, Iran has the right to pursue nuclear technology if they desire and we will have to just learn to live with it. Because any argument we come up with to justify Iran not being allowed to have these weapons, only makes us sound sanctimonious, apply double standards and show utter hypocrisy to a degree that we no longer look credible ourselves.

[Rankor and Pissing]

Plato & Socrates wrote:

Rankor and Pissing Your points are factually correct, plus I can also give the fact that sitting underneath Iran & Qatar combined is 51% of the worlds KNOWN gas reserves. So logically Iran pursuing nuclear technology to produce electricity makes absolutely no sense. But that is not the point, Iran has the right to pursue nuclear technology if they desire and we will have to just learn to live with it. Because any argument we come up with to justify Iran not being allowed to have these weapons, only makes us sound sanctimonious, apply double standards and show utter hypocrisy to a degree that we no longer look credible ourselves.

I could live with santimonious, even hypocritical. Ever since 1950, we've been kicking ourselves in the ass about proliferation. Once the USSR got the bomb, the genie had no chance of going back in the bottle. The world has been working towards Nuclear non-proliferation, dismantling of bombs, weapons caches, delivery and deployment strategies. MAD worked.

Now we have a whole new set of idiots who want to make the same mistakes, use the same bad judgement simply because they want the big stick. Once one does it... more are sure to follow. Statistically, the more countries that have the bomb, the greater the risk of using the bomb. I'm not so worried about someone stealing some mythical suitcase bomb or smuggling plutonium... I'm worried in 20 years, when Syria, Jordan, Iran, Turkey, Oman and Egypt have the bomb and ICBM technology - and the Al Quacker's and Taliban's of the world are running or in charge of those governments (like Hammas is today), will they have the same respect for MAD that the crazy Russian's did in the 1960's? Will they have the same good judgement as to NOT push the button for fear of destroying the world and every living thing on it?

No way baby. These freako's will not hesitate to launch a 20 megaton nuke at anyone at anytime - they're on their way to Allah and 72 virgins.


There's a difference. I hope you see it.

[Kane]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

Sure. You'd think that Iran wouldn't necessarily need Nuclear power right? With Iran's unemployment rate at somewhere in the 14% range, and 40% below poverty level - why would their consumption of electricity predicate such a strong stand on a Heavy Water nuclear system... very good question.

Via population the closest countries in population in 2005 http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbrank.html you'll see Iran, Thailand and Turkey right next to each other. Does Turkey or Thailand have nuclear power? No. Are they also taking such a strong international stand for a heavy water program? No. Are their electric needs at least similiar? Yes, though Iran has by far the worst domestic issues... Thailand has a 1.5% unemployment rate and a 10% population below poverty. (2002) Turkey has a 9.6% unemployment rate and 20% below poverty (2002). They're doing much better domestically, so how come they aren't also bucking the world powers for heavy water nukes?

The answer is so simple - because they want a nuclear weapon silly! Anyone who says differently is either obtuse, brainwashed or just plain stupid. The facts say they want nukes period. They do sit on reserves to make enough electricity, even if they sell oil on the market, for a long long time. According to the EIA estimates in 2005, Iran has 944.670 TRILLION CUBIC FEET of Natural Gas reserves, and 130 Billion barrels of Crude Oil in reserves http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iea2004/table81.xls, Second in that ranking of oil to only Saudi Arabia who's got 262 billion barrels of crude, but only 238 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Just for perspective, The entire North America has 40.8 billion barrels of crude, but 273.661 trillion cubic feet of Natural Gas, Venezuela has 52.4 billion barrels of crude, and 150 trillion cubic feet of Natural gas.


Iran
Electricity - production: 129 billion kWh (2002)
Electricity - production by source: fossil fuel: 97.1%
hydro: 2.9%
nuclear: 0%
other: 0% (2001)
Electricity - consumption: 119.9 billion kWh (2002)
Electricity - exports: 0 kWh (2002)
Electricity - imports: 0 kWh (2002)
Oil - production: 3.962 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - consumption: 1.4 million bbl/day (2002 est.)
Oil - exports: 2.5 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - imports: NA
Oil - proved reserves: 130.8 billion bbl (2004 est.)
Natural gas - production: 79 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - consumption: 72.4 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - exports: 3.4 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - imports: 4.92 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves: 26.7 trillion cu m (2004)



Turkey
Electricity - production: 139.7 billion kWh (2003)
Electricity - production by source: fossil fuel: 79.3%
hydro: 20.4%
nuclear: 0%
other: 0.3% (2001)
Electricity - consumption: 117.9 billion kWh (2002)
Electricity - exports: 433 million kWh (2002)
Electricity - imports: 3.6 billion kWh (2002)
Oil - production: 48,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - consumption: 619,500 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - exports: 46,110 bbl/day (2001)
Oil - imports: 616,500 bbl/day (2001)
Oil - proved reserves: 288.4 million bbl (1 January 2002)
Natural gas - production: 312 million cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - consumption: 15.94 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - exports: 0 cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - imports: 15.75 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves: 8.685

Thailand
Electricity - production by source: fossil fuel: 91.3%
hydro: 6.4%
nuclear: 0%
other: 2.4% (2001)
Electricity - consumption: 106.1 billion kWh (2003)
Electricity - exports: 188 million kWh (2002)
Electricity - imports: 600 million kWh (2002)
Oil - production: 225,000 bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - consumption: 785,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - exports: NA
Oil - imports: NA
Oil - proved reserves: 600 million bbl (1 January 2003)
Natural gas - production: 18.73 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - consumption: 23.93 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - exports: 0 cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - imports: 5.2 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves: 368.2 billion cu m (1 January 2003)



It's plain to see... they want the bomb and that's that.

How much energy is needed to pump such plentiful resources?

[Demonic Spoon]

1) The less oil they use themselves, the more they can sell = more $.

2) They should get nukes. s**t, if some maniac in charge of the most powerful military in the world just invaded two neighbors, I'd sure as hell get 'em.

[MoscowMatt]

Plato & Socrates wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

Come on MoscowMatt, your supposition has long ago been defeated on this forum and that is the "Oh it might fall into the wrong hands or what if they give it to the terrorists?"

Yes WMD's are frightening things and don't forget 95% of Israel's Arab enemies have chemical and biological weapons at their disposal. Yet none of these countries, even though I would guess some in their governments would wish too, have not even contemplated giving any of their stockpile of chemical & biological WMD's to a terrorist group.

Secondly Israel has a (multiple war-headed) nuclear arsenal pointed at every major Arab city with only Israels word that she would'nt use them unless in self defense. Now we all know how the nation of Israel thinks, could you imagine Israels Arab neighbours having the bomb and Israel agreeing to not develop her own bomb, knowing that her Arab neighbours have missiles pointed at Tel-Aviv, Haifa and every other Israeli city with a population over 10,000? So why would you expect her Arab neighbours to once again agree to terms and conditions she would'nt except herself?


You haven't answered the question which is why they actaully need Nuclear power when they have other sources of energy in abundance??

Quote: Yet none of these countries, even though I would guess some in their governments would wish too, have not even contemplated giving any of their stockpile of chemical & biological WMD's to a terrorist group.


Read what I write for **** sake!! :roll:
Quote: I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or ---> not <--- !!!!

What's to stop some terrorist organisation walking up to the nuke power plant and saying here's a large pile of cash if you can accidentally mislay some uranium, wink, wink!!!!

Yes Israel has nukes. Big deal!!! They are not a threat to my country so who cares!!!! If they didn't have nukes then I doubt they would still exist!!

[Plato & Socrates]

MoscowMatt wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: I mean this country are sitting upon some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the country so there is no real need to go nuclear!! Unless they have suddenly gone all environmentally friendly on us!! Can't see it somehow!!!

Further more if they halt their nuclear programme now in return for economic aid, what's to stop them threatening to resume their programme in the future unless they get more, as and when they want it? In short they can hold us to ransom every time they want something.

The trouble with nuclear technology in Iran is that I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or not!!!!

Come on MoscowMatt, your supposition has long ago been defeated on this forum and that is the "Oh it might fall into the wrong hands or what if they give it to the terrorists?"

Yes WMD's are frightening things and don't forget 95% of Israel's Arab enemies have chemical and biological weapons at their disposal. Yet none of these countries, even though I would guess some in their governments would wish too, have not even contemplated giving any of their stockpile of chemical & biological WMD's to a terrorist group.

Secondly Israel has a (multiple war-headed) nuclear arsenal pointed at every major Arab city with only Israels word that she would'nt use them unless in self defense. Now we all know how the nation of Israel thinks, could you imagine Israels Arab neighbours having the bomb and Israel agreeing to not develop her own bomb, knowing that her Arab neighbours have missiles pointed at Tel-Aviv, Haifa and every other Israeli city with a population over 10,000? So why would you expect her Arab neighbours to once again agree to terms and conditions she would'nt except herself?


You haven't answered the question which is why they actaully need Nuclear power when they have other sources of energy in abundance??

Quote: Yet none of these countries, even though I would guess some in their governments would wish too, have not even contemplated giving any of their stockpile of chemical & biological WMD's to a terrorist group.


Read what I write for **** sake!! :roll:
Quote: I feel it will be very easy for it to fall into the wrong hands whether it is the will of their presidential nutcase or ---> not <--- !!!!

What's to stop some terrorist organisation walking up to the nuke power plant and saying here's a large pile of cash if you can accidentally mislay some uranium, wink, wink!!!!

Yes Israel has nukes. Big deal!!! They are not a threat to my country so who cares!!!! If they didn't have nukes then I doubt they would still exist!!

Read my post again and you'll see that I agree with your logic of Iran having no need for a civilian nuclear program to supply domestic electricity. :roll: As for the scenario of "What's to stop some terrorist organisation walking up to the nuke power plant and saying here's a large pile of cash if you can accidentally mislay some uranium, wink, wink!!!!
Save that idea for your Hollywood scriptwriting. :lol: Oh please MoscowMatt, whats next? that kind of speil is straight out of the A.E.I handbook for gullible Republocrats to read.

Ok let me give you the flip-side to your scenario. Lets say I'm a paranoid Arab, "What's to stop some Ultra Orthodox messianic Zionist organization who's ultimate goal is the vision of A greater Israel" (and we all know they exist) walking up to the nuke power plant and saying here's a large pile of cash (sorry no cash needed, just good old fashioned gentile to gentile nepotism at work) if you can accidentally mislay some uranium, nudge, nudge, wink, wink!!!!

Enough said don't you think MoscowMatt? For god sake man your a Brit MoscowMatt and we are realists not fantasists. As for the 2 versions they belong in the world of the latter.

[Kane]

My question stands: How much energy is needed to pump such large amounts of crude? Perhaps they want to expand their only source of revenue...

[Tepic]

MoscowMatt wrote: What's to stop some terrorist organisation walking up to the nuke power plant and saying here's a large pile of cash if you can accidentally mislay some uranium, wink, wink!!!!
The fact that uranium enriched for a power-plant isn't enriched enough for weapon use?

That's why there was a big hoo-hah when someone found grains of highly enriched uranium in one of their centrifuges - but I think that was determined to be leftovers from the equipment's last use by whomever they bought it from.

[Rankor and Pissing]

Kane wrote: My question stands: How much energy is needed to pump such large amounts of crude? Perhaps they want to expand their only source of revenue...

How much energy - I guess it depends on the type of drilling and extraction. I know little about this subject, however, the following link seems to provide some information about it. It seems though, that the drills and power equipment usually use Diesel engines as the energy source for drilling - those engines also are hooked up to generators to provide electricity.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-drilling2.htm

If the suggestion is that Iran is moving to all electrical engines instead of diesel engines, so they can save the oil for more profits.. I don't buy it for a second, and I'd challenge someone to show me electrical drilling in a large scale using nuclear energy as the main source for oil drilling.

[Snarf]

Whatever oil they don't burn, we will. That much is obvious from the offer of nuclear technology we just made to them...

[superskippy]

No sane person beleives Iran wants or needs nuclear power, what the debate is really about is whether Iran should have nuclear weapons, and what should/should not be done about the program.

[Zac (R-OH)]

In my opinion, Iran clearly isn't looking for power, they're looking for a new prospective on the world from a nuclear position. I don't think Isreal will hesitate to bomb Iran to hell though.

[Kane]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Kane wrote: My question stands: How much energy is needed to pump such large amounts of crude? Perhaps they want to expand their only source of revenue...

How much energy - I guess it depends on the type of drilling and extraction. I know little about this subject, however, the following link seems to provide some information about it. It seems though, that the drills and power equipment usually use Diesel engines as the energy source for drilling - those engines also are hooked up to generators to provide electricity.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-drilling2.htm

If the suggestion is that Iran is moving to all electrical engines instead of diesel engines, so they can save the oil for more profits.. I don't buy it for a second, and I'd challenge someone to show me electrical drilling in a large scale using nuclear energy as the main source for oil drilling.

But there's several factors to consider:

Maintenance
Manufacturing
Monitoring
Delivery
Sublets of the above
Etc.

It's not hard to find a logical reasoning as to why any country might want nuclear power. It's hard to figure out what they don't need it for...

[nrhy]

how about...in order to sell whatever resources they got...they have to obtain a new source of energy that can power up their cities. It's all about money.

[superskippy]

Besides the fact that their Nuclear Program wouldnt pay them back for more than half a century in the very least, also they arent going to power their country with a scant few low yield nuclear reactors. They would need hundreds of billions of dollars worth of nuclear plants.

Also if thats what they want why havent they put any output reactors online yet? Or better yet begun conversions to begin putting an electrical output to their cities?

They have squeezed their own wallet hard to put up these facilities that they have and they arent anywhere close to providing effective energy support to make the money they spent worth the trade off for not having to consume large amounts of their own natural energy.

The argument being made is that Iran wants to conserve it's fuel for sale while keeping it's energy flowing. Fine who wouldnt? But they would need to equip their whole country with it, they arent going to conserve their oil and gas even by 5 fully active nuclear output plants. They would need to rewire the entire country and have the funds and technical expertise to do something no nation has ever done before.

Because they dont want it and arent stupid, they know it would be expensive beyond beleif for them and simply not feasible or needed. They want a nuclear weapon.

The debate is whether they are/should be allowed and what should/should nto be done about it and what their intentions might be IE peaceful or hostile.