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alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1517

I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 19053

alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

That wouldn't work.

I would have been shot many times as sneaking out of the house and back into the house before sunset is an American teens favorite pastime.

Alarm systems can be easily negated by removing the sensors from the window and taping them together providing easy entrance and exits for an escapee. :lol:

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1517

FCTE wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

That wouldn't work.

I would have been shot many times as sneaking out of the house and back into the house before sunset is an American teens favorite pastime.

Not mine, when I was a teenager, if my dad caught me sneaking in and out of the house, he probably would have shot me on purpose. :lol:

Aqualung · Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Posts: 2260 Location: Washington

leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.
Exactly. Unless you pull out a machine gun and start shooting before you leave your bedroom at every bump in the night, there should be no problem with shooting family members. On the other hand, if it is truly a break in, you will no doubt catch him off guard long enough to tell that he is not your family member and still have time to shoot him before he gets his hands anywhere near his gun.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

Yes, it's very very simple. And it most certainly applies in every single instance without exception.

Trigger happy morons give all of us a black eye.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

leftneckredwing wrote: OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

Yes, it's very very simple. And it most certainly applies in every single instance without exception.

Trigger happy morons give all of us a black eye.

True dat.

Winchester · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 7557 Location: Montana

leftneckredwing wrote: OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

Yes, it's very very simple. And it most certainly applies in every single instance without exception.

Trigger happy morons give all of us a black eye.

Yes they do. There seems to be a moron fringe in just about every group out there be it off road vehicles, slob hunters etc.

Fortunately the vast majority of gun owners take firearm ownership seriously and we are not the trigger happy idiots our opponents like to paint us out to be.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

Winchester wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

Yes, it's very very simple. And it most certainly applies in every single instance without exception.

Trigger happy morons give all of us a black eye.

Yes they do. There seems to be a moron fringe in just about every group out there be it off road vehicles, slob hunters etc.

Fortunately the vast majority of gun owners take firearm ownership seriously and we are not the trigger happy idiots our opponents like to paint us out to be.

Another point lost on the antis. They always paint everyone with the same brush and with the same color.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

leftneckredwing wrote: Winchester wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

Yes, it's very very simple. And it most certainly applies in every single instance without exception.

Trigger happy morons give all of us a black eye.

Yes they do. There seems to be a moron fringe in just about every group out there be it off road vehicles, slob hunters etc.

Fortunately the vast majority of gun owners take firearm ownership seriously and we are not the trigger happy idiots our opponents like to paint us out to be.

Another point lost on the antis. They always paint everyone with the same brush and with the same color.

That's certainly true. They talk long and hard about right-wing extremists (which do exist, I'm not denying it) but never utter a word on left-wing extremists, even though there are left-wingers on the FBI terror list (think extremist animal rights groups....).

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: Winchester wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: OneZero wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire.

Exactly, this is why a light is so important on a home-defense gun. ALWAYS identify your target before you shoot, whether in combat, self-defense, home-defense, hunting, or just target shooting.

Yes, it's very very simple. And it most certainly applies in every single instance without exception.

Trigger happy morons give all of us a black eye.

Yes they do. There seems to be a moron fringe in just about every group out there be it off road vehicles, slob hunters etc.

Fortunately the vast majority of gun owners take firearm ownership seriously and we are not the trigger happy idiots our opponents like to paint us out to be.

Another point lost on the antis. They always paint everyone with the same brush and with the same color.

That's certainly true. They talk long and hard about right-wing extremists (which do exist, I'm not denying it) but never utter a word on left-wing extremists, even though there are left-wingers on the FBI terror list (think extremist animal rights groups....).

And yet completely ignore the fact that their will would be enforced by guns. An ultimate hypocrisy.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22263 Location: Sin City

leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire. absolutely correct

ive had a few instances where one of my kids were up and about late at night...i simply ask who it down there.... if i dont get an answer... me and my weapon check it out....turning on lights as i go...if they aren't already on

just display some common sense.. its not like we want to ambush people :lol:

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

Thrilla wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

This is a prime example of how one should always know what one is shooting at.

If there is the slightest chance that your target is not what you think it is, check fire. absolutely correct

ive had a few instances where one of my kids were up and about late at night...i simply ask who it down there.... if i dont get an answer... me and my weapon check it out....turning on lights as i go...if they aren't already on

just display some common sense.. its not like we want to ambush people :lol:

Common sense is dead.

But right on, it's not rocket science, it's SOP.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

alclarkey wrote: I will lend some credence to the anti-gunners' argument that one might mistake a family member for a prowler, and shoot them. I personally think its a real possibility. How do you determine that those bumps in the night are a prowler, and not your 15 year old raiding the fridge?

Well, I for one, know the noises that every living thing in my house makes. I can tell which son is walking around just by listening to them walk. I can't quite distinguish the cats (litter mates) from each other by sound, but other than them, I know the noises.

alclarkey wrote: I personally think that an alarm system that is only triggered by window breaks and unauthorized exterior door openings is the way to go. That way if you hear someone rumaging around you know it's probably a family member and a burglar. But when the alarm goes off its probably time to grab the shottie.

Thoughts?

Good idea, though.

RooK · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2006 Location: SE Kentucky

Always keep a very bright flashlight with the gun. Use it to blind/identify the target before you take your next action.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

RooK wrote: Always keep a very bright flashlight with the gun. Use it to blind/identify the target before you take your next action.

:tu:

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22263 Location: Sin City

RooK wrote: Always keep a very bright flashlight with the gun. Use it to blind/identify the target before you take your next action. thats a wise choice... but its a bit wiser to assess if there is in fact a threat before grabbing the hardware.
i really dont want to hit my kid in the face with a million candlewatt light at 3 in the morning... therapy can get a bit expensive :lol

vigilance is absolutely neccesary... that mean you must be vigilant to protect your family from threats... and from yourself.

my best weapon to protect my family is my dog... hes not a mean dog.. he wont bite... he might even lick an intruder to death... but he will alert me.... and this dog bites :wink:
he is the ultimate vigilant weapon

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Thrilla wrote: RooK wrote: Always keep a very bright flashlight with the gun. Use it to blind/identify the target before you take your next action. thats a wise choice... but its a bit wiser to assess if there is in fact a threat before grabbing the hardware.
i really dont want to hit my kid in the face with a million candlewatt light at 3 in the morning... therapy can get a bit expensive :lol

vigilance is absolutely neccesary... that mean you must be vigilant to protect your family from threats... and from yourself.

my best weapon to protect my family is my dog... hes not a mean dog.. he wont bite... he might even lick an intruder to death... but he will alert me.... and this dog bites :wink:
he is the ultimate vigilant weapon

Yeah dogs are great as a first-line of defense if nothing else.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

Thrilla wrote: RooK wrote: Always keep a very bright flashlight with the gun. Use it to blind/identify the target before you take your next action. thats a wise choice... but its a bit wiser to assess if there is in fact a threat before grabbing the hardware.
i really dont want to hit my kid in the face with a million candlewatt light at 3 in the morning... therapy can get a bit expensive :lol

vigilance is absolutely neccesary... that mean you must be vigilant to protect your family from threats... and from yourself.

my best weapon to protect my family is my dog... hes not a mean dog.. he wont bite... he might even lick an intruder to death... but he will alert me.... and this dog bites :wink:
he is the ultimate vigilant weapon

My dog is half coyote and she's a tough mean little biatch. She cost $75 and she is worth every nickle. Loyal to the bone to the people she loves, my family and neighbors and a primal savage instinctually driven beast to strangers. But she is also very quiet, until someone is on the property. I don't think you can sneak up on me when she's around. With her around, I could sleep on a park bench with $100s falling out of my pocket. She sleeps at my feet and shows her teeth to anyone that approaches me. And they are big enough to be effective.