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britboy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
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alclarkey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| I believe making death threats is a crime that can get the crook some more time in prison. Also just be prepared. If he does come back, blow his head off. |
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perdidochas
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Florida
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
Legally, I would be allowed to kill him. Morally, I wouldn't. I would simply call 911, while my gun was trained on him. I would not pick up his gun, but would stand over it. In FL, they automatically add 10 yrs to your sentence for committing a crime with a gun, 20 if it's your 2nd offense with a gun, life if it's the third.
If he got out of prison, I would have the best security system I could buy installed, and I would keep at least three rottweilers. Two for the yard, one for the house. |
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OneZero
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
Yes I would be very tempted to kill any intruder in my house, injured or otherwise, but especially if he's screaming death threats etc.
perdidochas wrote: Legally, I would be allowed to kill him. Morally, I wouldn't. I would simply call 911, while my gun was trained on him. I would not pick up his gun, but would stand over it. In FL, they automatically add 10 yrs to your sentence for committing a crime with a gun, 20 if it's your 2nd offense with a gun, life if it's the third.
Are you sure? If he's incapacitated you're sure you could legally shoot him? |
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perdidochas
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Florida
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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OneZero wrote: britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
Yes I would be very tempted to kill any intruder in my house, injured or otherwise, but especially if he's screaming death threats etc.
perdidochas wrote: Legally, I would be allowed to kill him. Morally, I wouldn't. I would simply call 911, while my gun was trained on him. I would not pick up his gun, but would stand over it. In FL, they automatically add 10 yrs to your sentence for committing a crime with a gun, 20 if it's your 2nd offense with a gun, life if it's the third.
Are you sure? If he's incapacitated you're sure you could legally shoot him?
He's in the process of committing a burglary. I can use deadly force to protect myself. Regardless, I wouldn't shoot an incapacitated person. |
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britboy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I suppose it's difficult because you are no longer under threat. There is no longer a NEED to defend yourself immediately. But if the guy is screaming about how he's gonna hunt you down later I suppose you are into the realms of 'pre-aggression defence'.
It's back to the old 'can I shoot a burgler in the back as he runs away?' argument. |
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Otacon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| I'd stick a bullet in him. I'm making sure he doesn't get away. :) |
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OneZero
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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perdidochas wrote:
He's in the process of committing a burglary. I can use deadly force to protect myself. Regardless, I wouldn't shoot an incapacitated person.
Hm well maybe in Florida it's different, I'm pretty sure if I shot a guy in a situation like britboy detailed I'd get in mucho trouble. :-D |
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Winchester
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
If he is not currently a threat, of course not.
I might have a hard time keeping a straight face asking "does that lamp and broken leg hurt?"
I might snap a few pictures too and ask if he'll smile for the camera. |
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Jefferson
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
I would poke at his broken leg with a stick until he shuts up. If he moves or does anything agressive, I would shoot him in the face. |
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OneZero
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Jefferson wrote: britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
I would poke at his broken leg with a stick until he shuts up. If he moves or does anything agressive, I would shoot him in the face.
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Rankor and Pissing
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Oops... look at that. The phone must be out of order... the phone cord isn't working properly, my cell battery died... the neighbors aren't home...
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Wolverine
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
No, I would not. |
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
I'll take the gun and empty it safely. Call 999 for police, tell them it was no burglary because the guy was armed and ask for an ambulance too.
Then I'll ask myself what kind of a bastard I am for someone to feel the need to come in my home with a gun, what on earth have I done to that guy? I might ask him what did I do wrong.
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Rankor and Pissing
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: britboy wrote: The intruder is in your house and he's gone and accidentally fallen through a sky-light and got himself impaled on a lamp in your front room, with a broken leg.
He's not going anywhere. He's unarmed (now -- his gun flew across the floor away from him). He's screaming his head off about how when he gets out of prison he's gonna find you and hurt you.
Honestly, would any of you feel tempted just to put one shot into him, to completely stop any chance of him attacking you (ever)? He's in your house uninvited, and god knows what he originally intended for you ...? The police will always believe your 'self-defence' argument.
moral dilemma I guess -- what would you do? The police are turning up in 10 minutes .. nows the time to decide ...
:?
I'll take the gun and empty it safely. Call 999 for police, tell them it was no burglary because the guy was armed and ask for an ambulance too.
Then I'll ask myself what kind of a bastard I am for someone to feel the need to come in my home with a gun, what on earth have I done to that guy? I might ask him what did I do wrong.
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How about a cookie? Would you give him a cookie - and maybe a towlette while he's waiting and thinking of how to kill you when he gets out?
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Rankor and Pissing wrote:
How about a cookie? Would you give him a cookie - and maybe a towlette while he's waiting and thinking of how to kill you when he gets out?
:rotf:
Wouldn't you want to know why someone would want to kill you Rankor and Pissing?
A cookie is a small price to pay to understand what I could have done so wrong for this to happen to me.
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Thrilla
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote:
How about a cookie? Would you give him a cookie - and maybe a towlette while he's waiting and thinking of how to kill you when he gets out?
:rotf:
Wouldn't you want to know why someone would want to kill you Rankor and Pissing?
A cookie is a small price to pay to understand what I could have done so wrong for this to happen to me.
:-D
:-D why are you so sure you did something to deserve this?.... it most likely has nothing to do with you personally...but rather it has everything to do with the fact that he wishes to steal your property.
im not going to shoot the guy after he is incapacitated... but ill hold him under arms until the police arrive.. and ill probably bring my kids into the room and give them a lesson
"see kids.. this is what happens to thieves and idiots" |
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Gremlin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Thrilla wrote: im not going to shoot the guy after he is incapacitated... but ill hold him under arms until the police arrive.. and ill probably bring my kids into the room and give them a lesson
"see kids.. this is what happens to thieves and idiots"
Then have them get their magic markers and draw pretty butterflies and flowers on his face so the idiot will be greeted with open arms when hes get to the slammer. |
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OneZero
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote:
How about a cookie? Would you give him a cookie - and maybe a towlette while he's waiting and thinking of how to kill you when he gets out?
:rotf:
Wouldn't you want to know why someone would want to kill you Rankor and Pissing?
A cookie is a small price to pay to understand what I could have done so wrong for this to happen to me.
:-D
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THIS is the problem with all liberals!!!! They assume THEY did something to deserve the burglary because the criminal is just a victim of society! :roll: :roll: |
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Rankor and Pissing
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: When the intruder is incapacitated, shoot to make sure? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote:
How about a cookie? Would you give him a cookie - and maybe a towlette while he's waiting and thinking of how to kill you when he gets out?
:rotf:
Wouldn't you want to know why someone would want to kill you Rankor and Pissing?
A cookie is a small price to pay to understand what I could have done so wrong for this to happen to me.
:-D
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No. But I damn well will let them know what's in store for them should they return... and it ain't no cookie. |
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