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britboy · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 3571 Location: London

Not only should handguns be legal -- but WHY CAN'T LAW ABIDING HOME OWNERS carry grenades? Or at least 1 grenade ..

Imagine the scene .. you're upstairs in bed when suddenly a group of people break in down stairs, and you know they're likely to move upstairs, rape your 2 teenage daughters, then kill you all.

With a grenade you can lob it down the stairs and probably kill half of them in one shot. WITH A RIFLE you put yourself (and therefore your family) at risk. Basically you have to see them, so THEY CAN SEE YOU, so they CAN SHOOT YOU. With a grenade, it takes that risk out of the home defence equation. (And .. hello liberals .. it's our right. I wouldn't bust into someones house if I'm gonna get my CRIMINAL JUNKIE ASS fragged with shrapnel)

I've got a message for those liberals -- TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON -- we should be allowed grenades (or at least one) for protection. 1 thing is for certain, it would put those home-intruders off. What do you think?

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

britboy wrote: Not only should handguns be legal -- but WHY CAN'T LAW ABIDING HOME OWNERS carry grenades? Or at least 1 grenade ..

Imagine the scene .. you're upstairs in bed when suddenly a group of people break in down stairs, and you know they're likely to move upstairs, rape your 2 teenage daughters, then kill you all.

With a grenade you can lob it down the stairs and probably kill half of them in one shot. WITH A RIFLE you put yourself (and therefore your family) at risk. Basically you have to see them, so THEY CAN SEE YOU, so they CAN SHOOT YOU. With a grenade, it takes that risk out of the home defence equation. (And .. hello liberals .. it's our right. I wouldn't bust into someones house if I'm gonna get my CRIMINAL JUNKIE ASS fragged with shrapnel)

I've got a message for those liberals -- TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON -- we should be allowed grenades (or at least one) for protection. 1 thing is for certain, it would put those home-intruders off. What do you think?

I've tossed a few grenades and I see no problem with private ownership.

But I can tell you from experience, it's a bad idea to throw one in an enclosed area. Even in the bush, you can hit a tree and it may come back to you. That would be worse in a house. Pistols or carbines are better for close range encounters.

But you are on the right track.

britboy · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 3571 Location: London

I figure lobbing one down stairs it'd be pretty damn unlucky to bounce back UP the stairs (I know there are exceptions with apartments etc. but you get the idea).

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

britboy wrote: I figure lobbing one down stairs it'd be pretty damn unlucky to bounce back UP the stairs (I know there are exceptions with apartments etc. but you get the idea).

It is situation dependent. And the one thing I did forget to think of is the lack of muzzle flash, which will give away your position. A hand grenade won't flash until it explodes. So maybe it's not the worst idea.

It will deafen you for a bit. But it will also deafen your invaders and hopefully kill them or at least disable them until you can disable them or shoot them.

Blinky · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 2580

How about this situation. One of your two teeneaged daughters you are so sure is going to be raped, right before you get killed, is downstairs getting a glass of milk and you go ahead and lob your grenade down?

Or

You for get to lock your door and your neighbour comes in to see if everythings ok

Or

Your dog knocks a vase off the shelf and you think you're being home invaded in your half asleep state...

Grenades were already dismissed (by the gun-nuts) as inappropriate for home defence use. Maybe they're changing their tunes?

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britboy wrote: Not only should handguns be legal -- but WHY CAN'T LAW ABIDING HOME OWNERS carry grenades? Or at least 1 grenade ..

Imagine the scene .. you're upstairs in bed when suddenly a group of people break in down stairs, and you know they're likely to move upstairs, rape your 2 teenage daughters, then kill you all.

With a grenade you can lob it down the stairs and probably kill half of them in one shot. WITH A RIFLE you put yourself (and therefore your family) at risk. Basically you have to see them, so THEY CAN SEE YOU, so they CAN SHOOT YOU. With a grenade, it takes that risk out of the home defence equation. (And .. hello liberals .. it's our right. I wouldn't bust into someones house if I'm gonna get my CRIMINAL JUNKIE ASS fragged with shrapnel)

I've got a message for those liberals -- TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON -- we should be allowed grenades (or at least one) for protection. 1 thing is for certain, it would put those home-intruders off. What do you think?

In a nutshell yes.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

britboy wrote: Not only should handguns be legal -- but WHY CAN'T LAW ABIDING HOME OWNERS carry grenades? Or at least 1 grenade ..

Imagine the scene .. you're upstairs in bed when suddenly a group of people break in down stairs, and you know they're likely to move upstairs, rape your 2 teenage daughters, then kill you all.

With a grenade you can lob it down the stairs and probably kill half of them in one shot. WITH A RIFLE you put yourself (and therefore your family) at risk. Basically you have to see them, so THEY CAN SEE YOU, so they CAN SHOOT YOU. With a grenade, it takes that risk out of the home defence equation. (And .. hello liberals .. it's our right. I wouldn't bust into someones house if I'm gonna get my CRIMINAL JUNKIE ASS fragged with shrapnel)

I've got a message for those liberals -- TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON -- we should be allowed grenades (or at least one) for protection. 1 thing is for certain, it would put those home-intruders off. What do you think?

:lol: :lol:

You are a sad strange little guy. Throwing a grenade in your house? :lol:

Ok, I have absolutely no problem with people owning grenades, but please don't use such a foolish argument.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Blinky wrote: How about this situation. One of your two teeneaged daughters you are so sure is going to be raped, right before you get killed, is downstairs getting a glass of milk and you go ahead and lob your grenade down?

Or

You for get to lock your door and your neighbour comes in to see if everythings ok

Or

Your dog knocks a vase off the shelf and you think you're being home invaded in your half asleep state...

Grenades were already dismissed (by the gun-nuts) as inappropriate for home defence use. Maybe they're changing their tunes?

:lol:

Unlikely scenarios, but still, it would be pretty stupid to go chucking grenades in your house, especially if you were still in it.

britboy · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 3571 Location: London

OneZero -- I honestly don't understand. (You're madly looking for some way I'm dissing you right now but there isn't one .. this is just a question).

I get my information from TV! BUT I propose that if I am upstairs in a building and I chuck a grenade downstairs then retreat, I will not be hurt by the explosion (I'm leaving a wall/ceiling between me and the grenade here).

Bearing in mind my family is on the line here, frankly I don't give a crap if I wipe out my front-room as long as I take the bad guys with it ...

I'm confused .. apparently my thoughts somehow make me 'a sad strange little guy'. Perhaps you're a little too used to argument rather than discussion.

alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1596

I'm pretty sure a grenade would probably make the house cave in on itself. I think a flashbang would be more handy.

Gremlin · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 7877 Location: On the Run.

alclarkey wrote: I'm pretty sure a grenade would probably make the house cave in on itself. I think a flashbang would be more handy.

cant have enough flash bangs.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

britboy wrote: OneZero -- I honestly don't understand. (You're madly looking for some way I'm dissing you right now but there isn't one .. this is just a question).

I get my information from TV! BUT I propose that if I am upstairs in a building and I chuck a grenade downstairs then retreat, I will not be hurt by the explosion (I'm leaving a wall/ceiling between me and the grenade here).

Bearing in mind my family is on the line here, frankly I don't give a crap if I wipe out my front-room as long as I take the bad guys with it ...

I'm confused .. apparently my thoughts somehow make me 'a sad strange little guy'. Perhaps you're a little too used to argument rather than discussion.

My apologies, I thought you were anti-gun trying to smear the pro-gun side. :wink:

Still, throwing a grenade around in your house is not a good idea. as alclarkey said, it might make the house implode. Even if you have a wall/ceiling between you and the grenade, it propels its shrapnel with incredible force and could easily penetrate a wall.

Stick with a shotgun, or it you must have an explosive, get a flashbang.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

britboy wrote: OneZero -- I honestly don't understand. (You're madly looking for some way I'm dissing you right now but there isn't one .. this is just a question).

I get my information from TV! BUT I propose that if I am upstairs in a building and I chuck a grenade downstairs then retreat, I will not be hurt by the explosion (I'm leaving a wall/ceiling between me and the grenade here).

At least in America, very few interior walls would be much protection against a grenade blast.

thundertaker · Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject:

You can do some serious fishing with grenades.......

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 11054 Location: Podunk, Colorado

w00t... another troll/ :roll:

Yeah, handgrenades should be legal. Wait, they are, they are just restricted.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10237

I gotta say no on this one. I think some people can't even handle pea-shooters, how the hell will they be able to handle a hand grenade?

Smokers maybe... not fraggers or concussion... no way. Maybe flashbangs... maybe...

Rubber Govt · Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Arkansas

Now this is a very simple question, with an answer that should be complicated.

I feel guns should be approached like drugs should be approached. With proper education, and in this case training. And the education/training should be easily accessable to the public.

The question is: What about malicious intent? I know alot of people who would just love to f**k with people and lob a blank one, and I know of a few people who would chuck a live one at people.

So--as someone stated earlier--In a nutshell, yes.

Besides, if we have to revolt against our gov't, we need something to aid in the taking down of tanks and other artillery (incinderary(SP?) grenades :D)

milo1047 · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1143

I'd go for flashbangs myself. Disorient and blind the intruder so you can take him down.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22316 Location: Sin City

i think people overestimate the power and efficiency of frags myself....so yeah... i dont mind people having them around.

like everything else.. i think it would be responsible to be trained in proper use and deployment of such a weapon..

why does this thread call to mind monty python on the holy handgrenade of antioch? :lol: :lol:

Quote: Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

Thrilla wrote: i think people overestimate the power and efficiency of frags myself....so yeah... i dont mind people having them around.

like everything else.. i think it would be responsible to be trained in proper use and deployment of such a weapon..

why does this thread call to mind monty python on the holy handgrenade of antioch? :lol: :lol:

Quote: Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

Let's not forget the Knights if Ni.