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[SaintLucifer]

A wonderful political philosophy called 'FASCISM' is on the rise in some states. Isn't this wonderful news?

[Red Flag]

My rifle is loaded, where are they? :1evil:

[SaintLucifer]

Red Flag wrote: My rifle is loaded, where are they? :1evil:

Oooh! The enemy of we Fascists! The Communists!! As people these days are wont to say 'BRING IT!'

[ew713]

something tells me you are simply saying this for attention...most likely you dont even believe what you are saying...but that is ok...we all need to have dreams...

[thefranzkafkafront]

SaintLucifer wrote: A wonderful political philosophy called 'FASCISM' is on the rise in some states. Isn't this wonderful news?

After all you did so well last time



You have a right to your views indeed, try to put them into practice however and I and men like me will fight you and will we kill you.

You can not try the wolf in sheeps clothing trick again im afraid.

[Protostar]

Guy's a troll. He got banned on another forum for sh!t like this. Ignore.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Protostar wrote: Guy's a troll. He got banned on another forum for sh!t like this. Ignore.

God damn it don't ban the fascists, they have a right to their opinon.

as well as being fun to debate with.

[George W Bush]

ew713 wrote: something tells me you are simply saying this for attention...most likely you dont even believe what you are saying...but that is ok...we all need to have dreams...

something tells me you are correct.

[Protostar]

Haha, that was fast.

[Vazul]

Fascism proper failed, to say the least. But had it ever been implemented correctly?

Democracy, on the other hand died long, long ago. Good riddance to populist movements! What does the common man know about government to begin with?

I'd suggest an amalgamation of the following concepts:
Anti-Democratic Action
Anti-Racist Nationalists
National Socialist Libertarian Green Party
Pragmatism Party

We need a radical change, and nothing extant or of antiquity has yielded positive results--that is not to say that there are examples of the past from which we would still benefit!

However, among the major problems, by far the most damning has been the ping-pong motion between pure collectivist and pure individualist thought: These two basic schools trade off over the centuries in the "good cop, bad cop" routine and have produced no tangible benefit. Collectivist thought in its purest sense holds that we act for the interests of a bureaucratic entity known as "the collective," and that by doing right by all people we do right by the individual; however, its basis is in individual materialism and it uses the individual as means to an end of the state. Individualist thought denies the collective to focus on satiating the individual, believing that the collective will somehow be addressed as part of the individual's scope, even if as we have seen from countless examples most people cannot think beyond their personal sphere of influence and are thus unaware of it. Individualist and collectivist thought in their pure forms end up seeing the task of governance as that of overseeing individuals, and miss out on qualitative and abstract factors. Traditional societies see both individuals and collective as means to an end which is an abstract idea of ascendancy based on the rules of nature and science.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Hahaha

National Socialist Libertarian Green Party

Combining ecology and fascism,

Trees good, jews bad.

From their platform i fail to understand where any form of libertariansim comes into it.

[Vazul]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Hahaha

National Socialist Libertarian Green Party

Combining ecology and fascism,

Trees good, jews bad.

From their platform i fail to understand where any form of libertariansim comes into it.

PLATFORM

Concept

# Environment: Transfer all funds from public welfare system and extraneous government into environmental cleanup. Restrict the amount of land that can be used. Redevelop inner cities. Reward with tax breaks those with few electrical appliances. End frivolous and pointless industries, and force widespread recycling in detail.
# Culture: By localizing, we give each area a chance to define its own values and policies and way of life. Localization requires that we reduce outside economic pressure, and slacken central government on most things. The advantage is that local communities handle their own upkeep for the most part.
# Race: End all anti-discrimination laws in medicine, hiring, housing and government service. Each ethnocultural group will have its own space, its own laws and customs, and leaders.
# Crime: We will concentrate city areas and make land use more efficient, and deploy more street cops to patrol. No record database or DNA database will be kept. Those who commit repeated crimes will be exiled.
Origins
Libertarian originates in our belief in the autonomy of the individual. An individual without a world would have no way to even form the concept of caring about anything but itself. So avoiding that extreme we favor a world where the individual would have relatively few experiences of authority, unless it was doing something truly out of line. The nickel and dime stuff in government, chasing down kids with drugs and the like, crushes a system. A sparse and responsive government is better than a comprehensive but sluggish one.

National Socialist is the concept behind governments such as the NSDAP in Germany and the current government in Israel. The society is owned, collectively, by the people, and it acts in their interest. Unfortunately most of these are democratic, insuring that the lowest elements of reason prevail.

Green is a fraction of the National Socialist view on land. "Blood and Soil" is our doctrine of homeland, or origin to each person, and thus which ground is sacred to them and they upkeep for generations. Each ethnic group should have a homeland, because in a consensus group one can declare poisoning the earth to be a great offense.
Platform for Jump-Starting Western Nations
1. Tax cuts for environmental objectives

Closing the chapter of environmental disaster in human history is our first objective. A simple mandate for change will not achieve its goal, as business is an ecosystem unto itself, and must be given a chance to transition gracefully to a new way of doing things, much as it absorbs any new cost or technology. Over a seven-year period, we will increase taxes while offering large tax cuts for those businesses that achieve environmental objectives; only those businesses which do not produce tangible goods or services, such as pornography and media producers, will remain at the higher tax rate. These tax cuts will be sizable enough to allow businesses to invest most of their income into adapting to environmental requirements, and at the same time, building up infrastructure and becoming more competitive.

The same program will be applied to individuals. Those households which own fewer objects, use less power and produce less waste, will be given a larger break than those who do. Television use will be a means of measuring a family's excess time and wealth. This will not be used excessively into pressuring individuals into a spartan existence, but to encourage limits on the excessive consumption of families as currently seen in the industrialized west.

2. Removal of normative objectives

In all western states, we will remove normative regulation including all governmental moral intervention with the population. There will be no laws regulating speech, or that punish some for excelling in any field; further, all affirmative action and compensatory civil rights legislation will be abolished. Governments will be prohibited for makign suggestions for "progressive" social reform, and will be limited to functional duties and to funding cultural organizations for the upkeep of traditional culture. In public education, independent groups without profit motive will establish what is in textbooks, excluding all propaganda previously emitting from government sources.

Further, welfare systems will be replaced with workfare programs, and all shelters for the disadvantaged will be moved away from functional areas of the city and given an institutional nature. All laws which regulate scholarships and hiring outside of strict meritocracy will be banished, and will be replaced by a system of promoting the most able. All anti-discrimination legislation in housing, hiring and education will be stricken from the books.

3. Restore autonomy to the states

In countries such a the United States, which are composed of independent state entities, these will be granted again their autonomy: the authority of the federal government will prevail in matters of international politics and that which is related to it, including the trafficking of dangerous weapons, but otherwise each state must define its own laws and crimes. There will be no interstate police agency; all issues of national security will be handled by each nation's equivalent of the CIA.

4. Reduction of legal complexity

Law will be written in plain English, barring the need for it to express logical construction, and lawmakers will be encouraged to reduce the amount of law on the books to a few simple principles per topic, or as close as is possible. Clearly corporate tort law will never be as simple as legislation regarding homicide, but the proliferation of laws built upon previous laws with no thought of a system of law as whole will end.

5. Repatriation of non-Germanic populations

In countries of Indo-European heritage, all non-Germanic populations and their offspring and possessions will be re-patriated to the appropriate area: Asians to Asia, African-Americans to Africa. Mixed Indo-European populations will be repatriated to Eastern Europe; mixed racial populations will be sent to Northern Africa or the Middle East, which are traditionally the areas for racial mixing. It will be acknowledged that this is not discriminatory, and no public scorn or retribution against these people will be permitted; they will be allowed to keep whatever wealth they have accrued, and will be treated honorably.

6. Create cultural center to oversee media

Between academia and government, leaders will be elected to a new cultural center, which receives funding from government and is administered by the people of the leadership caste. Government cannot withhold funding because it disagrees with the choices of this organization, which will be responsible for creating public media, textbooks and other methods of passing on learning from the past and present. This organization is responsible only to itself.

7. Reputable international politics

Outside of regulation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), all National Socialist governments will withdraw from international politics. Tariffs will be fixed, and no longer a bargaining chip with which one pacifies local industry; high tariffs will be considered correct for every nation. All foreign aid programs will be disbanded.

8. All undeveloped land is purchased by government

Any land that is presently undeveloped, or in semi-natural state (open cleared fields), will be purchased by the government at market rates, and preserved as natural space. We have more than enough land for human use. Further, any land for which taxes have not been paid for three years, or which is derelict and empty, becomes property of the government and is preserved as natural space, or used in exchange for land which will become natural space. This will reintroduce money into the cities, and provide for the renovation of rotted inner city slums.

9. Tax incentives for inner city development

To further help inner city residents, taxes will be raised in the inner city and large breaks provided for those who develop properties in those areas. This will encourage an end to the large numbers of unused and collapsing buildings, which result in no-mans-land neighborhoods which are too violent for any person to live in.

10. Repeal of laws limiting citizen autonomy

Laws forbidding drug use, sodomy and rough personal conduct will be replaced by laws directing people who wish to engage in such behaviors toward specialized areas of each major city, chosen from derelict neighborhoods, where alone such things are permitted.

11. Return to strict meritocracy in hiring and education

All hiring and scholarships and educational admittance policies will return to a strict meritocracy: the most capable candidate is selected, regardless of his or her wealth or advantages.

12. Any area more than 50% concreted must begin planting

Localities will be charged to plant natural space in any area in which more than 50% of the available surface is covered with concrete or asphalt. Tax advantages will be offered to those who are renting or have bought in areas that are less than 50% concrete; higher taxes await those who wish to live on an unending slab of grey.

13. End tax-free status of religious organizations

Religion will be recognized as a business, and subject to the same taxes as any other business, with the ability to deduct any public works or environmental actions.

14. Certain destructive things banned

Banned, upon pain of death, will be: genetically modified foods; dumping of toxic waste; child molestation or possession of child pornography; possession of nerve toxins.

http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/

[Vazul]

Jews and Judaism

Of all things that it did, the NSDAP is remembered best for the "Holocaust," or destruction of European Jewry. While clearly most Jews in Europe survived, and the only concrete evidence of mass extermination is from the Eastern European and Baltic states, it is likely that many Jews were killed when they were no longer useful as labor. The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party does not draw a moral conclusion from this, thus we cannot be its apologists: our view is that Jews must be addressed by the same racial policy as any other ethnic group.

For a society to exist, it must be able to say "we do it this way here" (consensus) and exclude those who would reverse that process; they will start their own societies if they are sane and healthy and able. With this realization, healthy societies exclude those who wish to reverse its direction, recognizing that the order of nature is for them to found their own society according to their principles, and for time to tell how well it succeeds. Those who come into a society from outside and suggest it reverse its direction are parasites, probably not by their own intention; usually from failed societies, they are in the grip of neurotic thought and feel they will gain self-esteem if they can have the power that comes with re-ordering another civilization. However, this always occurs to the detriment of the civilization, as the ways advocated belong in a foreign society, and to take on its direction the civilization would have to reverse its own.

Such is the case of the influence of Judaism in Western culture. While Indo-European society upheld an ideal of inner strength and growth, Judaism upheld material comfort as the highest goal of any group, and thus placed a greater value on individual survival than collective comfort: this is a passive and utilitarian belief. The origins of this in Judaism probably date back to its earliest existence as a society of traders, in which consensus was difficult, and it is fair to say that compassion toward the Jewish people is appropriate, as they were first to taste the bite of the blade called passivity/utilitarianism that is currently eating our own society.

With this in mind, LNSG policy toward Jews and Judaism was formed: all alien populations must be repatriated to their own lands, thus we are supporters of the Zionist state, Israel, insofar as it confines its influence to its own activities. We are however not inclined to intervene against Arab states, as we believe they deserve national independence as well, nor are we inclined to tolerate Jews or Judaic thought among us. However, we do not belief in cruelty or brutality toward the Jewish people, and would suggest that our break from the NSDAP is in part exemplified by our belief that they should be lovingly sent on to their homeland, as there are many good people among them.

Looking through Western history, however, it becomes clear that Jewish contributions to the arts of Indo-Europeans reveal a lack of understanding of what is fundamental to the Western soul, and therefore are inappropriate among us. The risk is that they, because by virtue of being different they are agitating for a reverse of the course of our civilization, will be blamed for the utilitarian philosophy that holds them in its grip, and thus will succumb to pogroms and other forms of retribution. The LNSG believes that revenge, retribution and hatred are destructive to political discourse, and thus takes a strong stand against anti-Semitism and violence against Jews. However, we also believe that there is no way for people with a Jewish ethnic and cultural identity to exist among us, thus they must be deported to their homeland, Israel, with our blessing.

http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/judaism/

[thefranzkafkafront]

Quote: 5. Repatriation of non-Germanic populations

You see this is where nazism gets full blown retarded, becuase they fail to realise not all white people are germanic, this would involve repatriating (of course that means stick in ghettos) not just jews, chineses, mogolians, west africasn, east africas ect.

but also scotish welsh and irish people. None of whom are ethnically german.

Quite frankly, they can bloody well try and stick me in a ghetto. Of course i reserve the right to kill as many of them who try as i see fit.

Quote: Looking through Western history, however, it becomes clear that Jewish contributions to the arts of Indo-Europeans reveal a lack of understanding of what is fundamental to the Western soul, and therefore are inappropriate among us

I fail to see how anyone could be any more ignorant of western litrature and culture.

Of course you would start with my name sake, Franz Kafka, then theres not to mention most of modern western music and film has had innumerable influence from jewish individuals. Then politcally you have Marx (not a good thing but his influence on the west is freaking undeniable) then on the polar oposite Ayn Rand (hang on i thought all jews were communists).

There is no such thing as 21st centuary or even 20th centuary or 19th centuary western culture without the influence of jewish individuals.

[Vazul]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Quote: 5. Repatriation of non-Germanic populations

You see this is where nazism gets full blown retarded, becuase they fail to realise not all white people are germanic, this would involve repatriating (of course that means stick in ghettos) not just jews, chineses, mogolians, west africasn, east africas ect.

but also scotish welsh and irish people. None of whom are ethnically german.

Quite frankly, they can bloody well try and stick me in a ghetto. Of course i reserve the right to kill as many of them who try as i see fit.

Quote: Looking through Western history, however, it becomes clear that Jewish contributions to the arts of Indo-Europeans reveal a lack of understanding of what is fundamental to the Western soul, and therefore are inappropriate among us

I fail to see how anyone could be any more ignorant of western litrature and culture.

Of course you would start with my name sake, Franz Kafka, then theres not to mention most of modern western music and film has had innumerable influence from jewish individuals. Then politcally you have Marx (not a good thing but his influence on the west is freaking undeniable) then on the polar oposite Ayn Rand (hang on i thought all jews were communists).

There is no such thing as 21st centuary or even 20th centuary or 19th centuary western culture without the influence of jewish individuals.

On your first point: Don't you reside in Scotland? How does this affect you? And why do you suppose that the same freedom from multiculturalism is not intended for other groups? You seem to conflate ethnic segregation with class segregation, which is a grave error on your part. People are not all out to exploit, and the fact that you are of a libertarian inclination suggests that you've internalized some negative aspect of your experience in reality and projected it upon the world. You might say the same for NAZI.org, a group which, while I do not represent, I do sympathize with. However, there is nothing particularly malicious about their platform. You, on the other hand, threatened their proposed, hypothetical situation with physical violence.

I understand that there were a few Europeanized Jews in the past centuries. My favorite perhaps is Baruch Spinoza.

The quote states that the Jews do not understand the Western soul. This is quite evident, as we can see that neither capitalist or communist philosophies are working out (or have worked out) particularly well for European nations. That you reference thinkers of the past two centuries is laughable--what about the past two millenia? Will you cite Jesus Christ!? (Christianity has affected Europe immensly, of course, but notice how many nations are becoming more and more atheistic.) It is you, perhaps, who has failed to read up on the civilizations that relied on oral traditions and earth-based lifestyles, and to read the works of the ancient Greek philosophers. The first fifteen or sixteen centuries, A.D., saw the cultivation of a beautiful culture. Classical music and baroque, Romanticism, Idealism...these concepts ring true with the European spirit, and were not significantly impacted by persons of Jewish descent. The sciences (political, natural, social, etc.), perhaps--but only in the last two centuries. These are inconsequential and fleeting aspects of the dynamic nature of humanity, and will quickly be forgotten once globalism implodes.

[laxhippie]

Why do the germans get america? Shouldnt they be sent back to Germany, and america returned to the indians? Fascism makes no sense.

[Vazul]

laxhippie wrote: Why do the germans get america? Shouldnt they be sent back to Germany, and america returned to the indians? Fascism makes no sense.

Pardoning the poor logic of the statement; that is where I disagree with the National Socialist Libertarian Green Party. I believe each ethnic group should return to its place of cultural origins, and the concept of State abolished. It's too broad a term and political unit. Smaller communities work better.

[Robin Hood]

The imbecile who started this thread isn't actually the fascist moronotype but a communidiot. In every thread he promotes the latter form of enforced collectivisation by two dimensionally dismissing it.....he is Tweedle-Dum(b) posing as Tweedle-Dee so as to try and place Communism as the min opposition to fascism when in fact they're twin ideologies.

[curisz]

Vazul wrote: laxhippie wrote: Why do the germans get america? Shouldnt they be sent back to Germany, and america returned to the indians? Fascism makes no sense.

Pardoning the poor logic of the statement; that is where I disagree with the National Socialist Libertarian Green Party. I believe each ethnic group should return to its place of cultural origins, and the concept of State abolished. It's too broad a term and political unit. Smaller communities work better.

Europe better brace itself for a whole lot of new citizens then. But as another poster stated, if your gonna send me to Germany, my wife to Africa and my kids to the middle east, you'd best bring some heavy artillery with you.

[Robin Hood]

Are your kids adopted or something? I mean if you're Germam descent and your wife African descent, why would your children be sent to the ME?