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[John]

psholtz wrote: John wrote: psholtz wrote: John wrote: Do you think that propaganda and mind control has it's source in the government?.
Propaganda and mind control have their source in ignorance.

Ignorance of what?
Truth..

Truth = Christ Jesus,

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[psholtz]

John wrote: psholtz wrote: John wrote: psholtz wrote: John wrote: Do you think that propaganda and mind control has it's source in the government?.
Propaganda and mind control have their source in ignorance.

Ignorance of what?
Truth..

Truth = Christ Jesus,

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
There was a time when your kind helped the human race preserve the Oral Tradition of its religions and mythologies through your capacity for rote memorization. I commend you for the admirable job you have just done mechanically reguritating the creeds and dogmas of orthodox Christianity.

Bear in mind, however, that these services have grown rather less useful since the invention of the printing press.

[John]

Quote: There was a time when your kind helped the human race preserve the Oral Tradition of its religions and mythologies through your capacity for rote memorization. I commend you for the admirable job you have just done mechanically reguritating the creeds and dogmas of orthodox Christianity.

Bear in mind, however, that these services have grown rather less useful since the invention of the printing press.

Is that where you think it comes from? Rote memorization?


Let me tell you a secret. If you become born again you will learn to depend on the Spirit...and when you do He will bring the right answers to you when it's needed.

[psholtz]

John wrote: Quote: There was a time when your kind helped the human race preserve the Oral Tradition of its religions and mythologies through your capacity for rote memorization. I commend you for the admirable job you have just done mechanically reguritating the creeds and dogmas of orthodox Christianity.

Bear in mind, however, that these services have grown rather less useful since the invention of the printing press.

Is that where you think it comes from? Rote memorization?
Yes, that's exactly where I think you come from.

[Impartial1]

psholtz wrote: lucidnightmare wrote: I agree that you reep what you sow,but I imagine there is a subtext to you saying that.We as a nation are far more merciful than the nations we are accused of oppressing.
The United States, in its present form, is by far the most aggressive and oppressive nation that has ever existed on planet Earth.

It has been since at least 1913.

Just b/c you are ignorant of the oppression flowing from the White House, does not mean that it does not exist, and it does not excuse from responsibility for the sins that are being committed in the White House in your name.

The most aggressive and oppressive nation ever? :ah:

Come on now, your smarter than that.

[Gilbert1908]

Gus wrote: Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:39 wrote: But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Jesus Christ, Luke 6:29 wrote: If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
Jesus Christ, John 8:7 wrote: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

When I occasionally go to church with my family, it amazes me to hear how pro-war the entire church is. Actually, most Christians I know think that we should retaliate against the terrorists and crush them into the ground. After reminding them about the above passages, they momentarily stare blankly at me, then quickly rationalize themselves. I want to know if there's any pro-war-on-terrorists or pro-war-on-anybody Christians out there that can provide a good reason to contradict what Jesus Himself said. How can a Christian not be a pacifist?

Switch to Catholicism Pope John Paul II opposed the invasion of Iraq.

Problem solved see you tomorrow at Mass, 7:00 A.M..

Well then there is this of course

"In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign by whose command the war is to be waged. For it is not the business of a private individual to declare war, because he can seek for redress of his rights from the tribunal of his superior. Moreover it is not the business of a private individual to summon together the people, which has to be done in wartime. And as the care of the common weal is committed to those who are in authority, it is their business to watch over the common weal of the city, kingdom or province subject to them. And just as it is lawful for them to have recourse to the sword in defending that common weal against internal disturbances, when they punish evil-doers, according to the words of the Apostle (Romans 13:4): "He beareth not the sword in vain: for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil"; so too, it is their business to have recourse to the sword of war in defending the common weal against external enemies. Hence it is said to those who are in authority (Psalm 81:4): "Rescue the poor: and deliver the needy out of the hand of the sinner"; and for this reason Augustine says (Contra Faust. xxii, 75): "The natural order conducive to peace among mortals demands that the power to declare and counsel war should be in the hands of those who hold the supreme authority." " Summa Theologica- Aquinas