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David2004



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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:07 pm    Post subject: The Jewish People in Their Fight for Israel will Destroy the  

Are the Israelis any safer today almost 60 years after the founding of the Jewish State? Most nations of people will agree that the State of Israel is a modern day military super power that is threatening world peace along with the United States with their current military actions. The preemptive military strikes of the United States and Israel have created more enemies than allies making a bad situation worst. Both the United States and Israel are trying to defend policies that are unfair and immoral by global standards. Only the United States and Israel are united with the majority of the nations of the world are in opposition of their policies and actions.

Neither the United States nor the State of Israel can maintain their current military policies and actions for the next sixty years. It is the military industrial complex of both nations that are the greatest threat to world peace. It is not a lack of military intelligent information but a lack of understanding of the grievances of the people of the other side that is the problem. Both sides are guilty of corrupting the information and facts to manipulate the perception of their people.

There are religious military extremists on all sides that are fanning the flames to the fire. If only the people in power could put themselves in the shoes of the people on the other side. There is no way to win a war if you do not understand who you are fighting. The United States-Israeli Middle East Policies have compounded the problems in the Middle East. Not until there are major changes in the policies and actions of Israel and the United States will there be peace.

Israel a nation the size of the State of New Jersey maintains one of the world’s most powerful military forces. The United States military spending accounts for 42% of the world’s total military spending. Isn’t there something wrong with this picture? There is no way a nation can spend this amount of their nation’s natural resources and have the resources for the humanitarian aid that is needed to build peace.

Both the State of Israel and the United States must change their military industrial economies to peacetime economies. This change alone will make new things possible leading to a better world if done right. For starter imagine if both the State of Israel and the United States cut their military spending by 50% and allocated half of it for humanitarian projects with their neighbors. If the United States took half of what it gives to the State of Israel annually and invests it into the Palestinian society. Then things could be different but reality tells you there is no chance this would ever happen.

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mr_happy



Joined: 29 Mar 2006
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: The Jewish People in Their Fight for Israel will Destroy  

[/quote]are the Israelis any safer today almost 60 years after the founding of the Jewish State? [quote]Most nations of people will agree that the State of Israel is a modern day military super power that is threatening world peace along with the United States with their current military actions.[/quote]

Figures? facts? polls?
Generalizations are the mark of stupidity

Since when has Israel been a "super power?"

[quote]The preemptive military strikes of the United States and Israel have created more enemies than allies making a bad situation worst.[/quote]

*worse* my friend worse, grammar does make you look more educated.

What I fail to see is how we are making enemies in the US. Last I checked Al-Quaeda was already an enemy before 9/11. They did blow up embassies in Africa. Yup, blowing up embassies really does destroy the satan's power. You fail to provide evidence of countries that were allied to the U.S., heard about IRaq/Afghanistan, then broke their alliances or turned on the U.S. LAst I checked NATO still likes us.


[quote]Both the United States and Israel are trying to defend policies that are unfair and immoral by global standards. Only the United States and Israel are united with the majority of the nations of the world are in opposition of their policies and actions. [/quote]

Tell me, how is killing the leader of a terrorist newtowrk that you are AT WAR with a crime? LAst I checked you could kill the enmy in war. Hamas, ISlamic Jihad, and Al-Aqsa martyrs have even admitted that they are at war with Israel. Last I checked, blowing up civillians at a fast food restaurant was immoral, not killing an admitted enemy combatant.

[quote]Neither the United States nor the State of Israel can maintain their current military policies and actions for the next sixty years.[/quote]

U.S. yes, Israel no. The U.S. is involved in a war several thousand miles from home, ISrael is defending its interior and borders. Israel can easily sustain the war.

[quote][a lack of understanding of the grievances of the people of the other side that is the problem. [/quote]

Proof that your government/idealogues aren't corrupting your perceptions? Proof that there is manipulation of the media? Really I'd love to see all of this groundbreaking evidence. WHat about our side? Don't the terrorrists care about the children, mothers, fathers they killed on 9/11. What about the teenagers that hezbollah massacred aty Ma'lot?


[quote]There are religious military extremists on all sides that are fanning the flames to the fire. If only the people in power could put themselves in the shoes of the people on the other side. There is no way to win a war if you do not understand who you are fighting. The United States-Israeli Middle East Policies have compounded the problems in the Middle East. Not until there are major changes in the policies and actions of Israel and the United States will there be peace. [/quote]

Agreed. AS a United States citizen, I can tell you that our administration has definitly f****d up. However I would love to see how the US and ISrael conspire to destroy the middle east. Last I checked, the majority of arabs are killed by their governments. Check out Saudi Arabia. They love killing dissidents.

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Israel a nation the size of the State of New Jersey maintains one of the world’s most powerful military forces. The United States military spending accounts for 42% of the world’s total military spending. Isn’t there something wrong with this picture? There is no way a nation can spend this amount of their nation’s natural resources and have the resources for the humanitarian aid that is needed to build peace. [/quote]

What's wrong with having an up to date military. It seems to be the saving grace of ISrael.

[quote]Both the State of Israel and the United States must change their military industrial economies to peacetime economies. This change alone will make new things possible leading to a better world if done right. For starter imagine if both the State of Israel and the United States cut their military spending by 50% and allocated half of it for humanitarian projects with their neighbors. If the United States took half of what it gives to the State of Israel annually and invests it into the Palestinian society. Then things could be different but reality tells you there is no chance this would ever happen. [/quote]

Why would the US take money from an erstwhile ally, and give it to people that constantly call for American death and danced on 9/11? WE give the PA half as much aid as we give ISrael, and they don't do anything for it. At least Israel does what we want. Why don't the neighboring arabs, who blaim the US for their problems, donate to the PA? THe US contributes more to the PA than all of the arabs states combined, and is the #1 benefactor of the Palestinian people. Its funny, considering that they hate us and want us dead. If the Palestinians want more American aid, being nicer to us and our allies would be nice.

I admire your attempt to make a point based on propoganda and ignorance. However, the facts prove that you are wrong. I advise you to research your points before making baseless accusations


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Straudos



Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: The United States military spending accounts for 42% of the world’s total military spending. Isn’t there something wrong with this picture? There is no way a nation can spend this amount of their nation’s natural resources and have the resources for the humanitarian aid that is needed to build peace. First law of statistics: Statistics can say anything. You can also look at it as United States military spending is 4% of the US GDP.
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