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Enoch
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Plodder wrote: Quote: The definition of murder does not include the clause that the murderer believes the victim is less than human. Murder is defined as "to unlawfully or unjustifiably kill another human being." No mention of the murderer's opinion of the victim's humanity. unlawful. that is the key. You see Hitler's Holocaust was technichally leagal therefore it is not murder correct? however, anyone with common sense can see that it is murder.You cannot define murder in that way because sometimes legal killing can still be murder. I see you skipped the portion of the definition that stated murder was to "unlawfully or unjustifiably kill another human being." |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| according to hitler, he had justifiable cause! |
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Gilbert1908
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UrielsFyre wrote: Plodder wrote: Quote: The definition of murder does not include the clause that the murderer believes the victim is less than human. Murder is defined as "to unlawfully or unjustifiably kill another human being." No mention of the murderer's opinion of the victim's humanity. unlawful. that is the key. You see Hitler's Holocaust was technichally leagal therefore it is not murder correct? however, anyone with common sense can see that it is murder.You cannot define murder in that way because sometimes legal killing can still be murder. I see you skipped the portion of the definition that stated murder was to "unlawfully or unjustifiably kill another human being."
I do not agree with calling abortionists or those who get abortions murderers.
However since you believe that all morality is relative then can't you understand why someone who views this as a moral not a legal issue, since abortion involves the willful termination of a human life, as murder?
Since one's morality MUST override social contructs or unjust law the legality of abortion would not matter to someone who believed it to be an immoral act and therefore would plainly see it as murder regardless of whether it was technically legal. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: I do not agree with calling abortionists or those who get abortions murderers.
im sorry but one who murders someone is a murderur in my book. |
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Selfish_Meme
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Except there is no agreeable definition of a 'someone'. |
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The Central Scrutinizer
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Gilbert1908 wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Plodder wrote: Quote: The definition of murder does not include the clause that the murderer believes the victim is less than human. Murder is defined as "to unlawfully or unjustifiably kill another human being." No mention of the murderer's opinion of the victim's humanity. unlawful. that is the key. You see Hitler's Holocaust was technichally leagal therefore it is not murder correct? however, anyone with common sense can see that it is murder.You cannot define murder in that way because sometimes legal killing can still be murder. I see you skipped the portion of the definition that stated murder was to "unlawfully or unjustifiably kill another human being."
I do not agree with calling abortionists or those who get abortions murderers.
However since you believe that all morality is relative then can't you understand why someone who views this as a moral not a legal issue, since abortion involves the willful termination of a human life, as murder?
Since one's morality MUST override social contructs or unjust law the legality of abortion would not matter to someone who believed it to be an immoral act and therefore would plainly see it as murder regardless of whether it was technically legal.
Ok, I can handle that. So what would your morals (or Plodder's, since he was the beginning of this) define as "murder"? |
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