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[Jonah]

Much to my surprise, I discovered that the Superman movie series is satanic propaganda designed to get its viewers used to the idea of a super-human person arriving on the scene with miraculous powers, good-will galore, and just seemingly great values and goals. This first link seems kind of trite, epecially if you're unfamiliar with the christian New Testament. Notice the picture of the boy superman with arms outstretched. Do children normally stretch out their arms in that posture?
Read it through and think about it.
This one has pictures!

This next link adds much more interesting detail to the equation.
Keep in mind that Anti-Christ does not mean "against Christ", it means "false Christ".

This one is much more in-depth.

What's wild is that Lex Luther is symbolic of the church. Lex = the law, Luther = Lutheran(church), sounds evil (Lucifer) The movie has cast him in a negative light - he's a criminal out to snuff Superman.

Also, remember Superman 2? General Zod, the lady and the large mute guy? Apparently an unholy trio symbolizing in a blasphemously negative light the trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are portrayed as criminals trying to take over planet earth by force for their own evil ends, and Lex Luther agrees to join up with the trio to take out Superman for a
little piece of the pie. "Kneel before Zod!"

And this whole comic dreamt up by two Jewish guys. Again the Jews! :lol: (Just kidding.)

John told me about this, says he ran across this info a year or two ago. This stuff is fascinating. Christians, view the Superman V trailers and pay careful attention to all that's said.

I quote Lois Lane(to Superman), "The world doesn't need a savior."

Superman Returns Movie Trailers

Any questions, comments, additions, deletions?

[John]

Trailer number one has Superman's father Jor-El saying this:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them . . . . They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer1/medium.html



It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the allegory in that.

[Jonah]

John wrote: Trailer number one has Superman's father Jor-El saying this:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them . . . . They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer1/medium.html



It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the allegory in that.

Right, but in case they don't:

Jesus was raised as a human being, but he claimed, "My kingdom is not of this world." See the beginning of John's quote.

"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be." I'm not entirely convinced either of those statements is true regarding the human condition, without the influence of God on humanity.

Jesus claimed that he is the light of the world. Superman is a false light.

The bible teaches than man is sinful, seperated from God, and destined for hell and therefore needs a savior. It teaches that no one can produce good fruit on his/her own. This movie's statement suggests that our most important asset is our capacity for good.

Jesus is God's one and only Son. Superman has been sent as Jar-El's one and only son. (False Savior)

[thefranzkafkafront]

:lol:

Looks like this guy had too much time on his hands.

Allegory my ass.

Superman never dies, or suffers in an comparible way, and returns in several sequals.

Might as well try and compare jesus to spiderman.

[curisz]

well thats a relief, all those prophecies about the end of the world had me worried, now i know they were just forseing comic books! Whew! 8:)

[John]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: :lol:

Looks like this guy had too much time on his hands.

Allegory my ass.

Superman never dies, or suffers in an comparible way, and returns in several sequals.

Might as well try and compare jesus to spiderman.

You must not keep up with the comic book.

In the comic General Zod Returns with Doomsday and kills Superman.





Superman later comes back to life with longer hair.

[garyd]

Superman is a comic book character that has been in existence since the 1940's.

The Jor-el quote is a complete misstatement of what the Bible teaches of Human beings as found in Romans 3:1 and in Davids Prayer in 2Kings shortly before David's physical body dies.

In short you're barking up the wrong tree. You want to know why the world seems to be going to hell in a hand basket read Isaiah and Paul.

If my people who are called by my name will repent of their wicked ways and turn unto me with a whole heart then I (God) will restore their land.

What do we need to repent of? Are we not preaching enough against the sin of Homosexuality? Uh no. Are we not preaching against sexual immorality in general? That's a closer call but I don't think that's it either. I suspect that were we doing what we as Christians regardless of our political persuasion doing what we are supposed to be doing I doubt if either of those would be an issue.

What are we doing wrong then? Why we're busy trying to enact laws that require others to behave in a fashion that appears Godly while failing abysmally to do so ourselves. It is our hypocrisy that has caused God to pull back His hand from our nation's guidance.

On the left we have tried to compel the heathen to help the poor by means of the welfare state and have only managed to reduce the poor to the status of slaves on the plantation and made poverty ever more inescapable into the bargain. Jesus does not say to the sheep "You saw me thirsty and made sure Joe gave e something to drink, you saw me hungry and made sure Jill fed me.

On the right we have decided that if we pass the right set of laws we can save people from their sin never mind that if Laws could work in that fashion Jesus' horrible death on the cross would have been completely unnecessary.

No this country's spiritual crisis isn't about the homosexual agenda, or abortion. Those things are but symptoms of the greater problem and that is that we as Christians rather than loving and honoring God and looking to him for all our solutions have opted for political fixes with out realizing that you can't fix spiritual problems with political solutions.

[Jonah]

garyd wrote: Superman is a comic book character that has been in existence since the 1940's.

1930's, 1940's, whatever.

garyd wrote:
The Jor-el quote is a complete misstatement of what the Bible teaches of Human beings as found in Romans 3:1 and in Davids Prayer in 2Kings shortly before David's physical body dies.

I agree, and gave no indication otherwise.

garyd wrote:
In short you're barking up the wrong tree. You want to know why the world seems to be going to hell in a hand basket read Isaiah and Paul.


I've read them many times. I also agree that those books have much to say about why the world is "going to hell in a hand basket." Where did that expression come from, anyway? :-D
As far as what I'm talking about, I'm not sure you can see the forest for the trees. :lol:

I'm sorry garyd, but it seems that you didn't really read the article, and understand what I was proposing, namely that the Superman comics/movies are satanic propaganda designed to program the minds of people to the arrival of a future world leader who resembles in many ways Superman.

I'm saying that this is one more reason why the world is going to hell in a handbasket, as you put it. You know, the bible also says that we are to stand against the devil's schemes. I think it might be helpful to know what those schemes are.

garyd wrote:
If my people who are called by my name will repent of their wicked ways and turn unto me with a whole heart then I (God) will restore their land.

What do we need to repent of? Are we not preaching enough against the sin of Homosexuality? Uh no. Are we not preaching against sexual immorality in general? That's a closer call but I don't think that's it either. I suspect that were we doing what we as Christians regardless of our political persuasion doing what we are supposed to be doing I doubt if either of those would be an issue.

What are we doing wrong then? Why we're busy trying to enact laws that require others to behave in a fashion that appears Godly while failing abysmally to do so ourselves. It is our hypocrisy that has caused God to pull back His hand from our nation's guidance.

On the left we have tried to compel the heathen to help the poor by means of the welfare state and have only managed to reduce the poor to the status of slaves on the plantation and made poverty ever more inescapable into the bargain. Jesus does not say to the sheep "You saw me thirsty and made sure Joe gave e something to drink, you saw me hungry and made sure Jill fed me.

On the right we have decided that if we pass the right set of laws we can save people from their sin never mind that if Laws could work in that fashion Jesus' horrible death on the cross would have been completely unnecessary.

No this country's spiritual crisis isn't about the homosexual agenda, or abortion. Those things are but symptoms of the greater problem and that is that we as Christians rather than loving and honoring God and looking to him for all our solutions have opted for political fixes with out realizing that you can't fix spiritual problems with political solutions.

Well said. Listen, brother, I don't doubt your heart for God, here. It seems you've alluded to a large problem with Christianity. Are you saying that my examination of the Superman series somehow places me in this demographic? :)

By the way, I'm not one who looks to find Satan under every rock.

[mojo]

I'm sorry but superman is a dick not the spawn of satan.

www.superdickery.com



I'm sorry I couldn't resist.

[sLiPpY]

John wrote: Trailer number one has Superman's father Jor-El saying this:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them . . . . They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer1/medium.html



It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the allegory in that.

:think: So Superman is Jesus? :?

btw...John meh' wrikey the new avatar. It's much more noble! n' much less err...*bites tongue* :!oops:

[cap'n queasy]

I don't know if these comics are satanic or not, but I would say the character Superman does seem to have some startling parallels with the Jewish conception of the Messiah, which is not surprising to me because the two guys who invented the character were Jewish guys.

I think it is probably unconscious, though, but maybe not. After all, the Messiah is the invincible savior of the human race, and Superman is a type of invincible savior.

Although using the English name for Nietzsche's ubermensch as a name for the Messiah is a little disconcerting, if you think about it. So perhaps Satan does have his finger in this pie, as well.

:lol:

[sparsely]

Yeah man, it's hard to find a decent phone booth these days ;-)

[John]

sLiPpY wrote: John wrote: Trailer number one has Superman's father Jor-El saying this:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them . . . . They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer1/medium.html



It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the allegory in that.

:think: So Superman is Jesus? :?

btw...John meh' wrikey the new avatar. It's much more noble! n' much less err...*bites tongue* :!oops:

No...Jesus is Jesus.

Superman is an allegory for Messiah. Jonah's point is that he fits the picture of a Biblical Messiah but his message for salvation is actually backwards...he's a picture of a false Messiah or "anti-christ".

People are going to love the Anti-Christ kinda like the love Superman.

[Jonah]

sLiPpY wrote: John wrote: Trailer number one has Superman's father Jor-El saying this:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them . . . . They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer1/medium.html



It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the allegory in that.

:think: So Superman is Jesus? :?

No. Superman seems to be Jesus as far as the meaning of his name, his arrival on planet earth, and many of the events in the movies, which immitate events in the gospel stories of Jesus. However, the messages throughout the movies and the fact that he is a superhuman do-gooder point to a false Messiah who will appear in the future to deceive the nations. Superman is an anti-Christ "type", a false Christ. He's cast in a positive role of goodness, to deceive people and condition them to more readily accept the real anti-Christ when he comes. The church(Lex Luther) and God (General Zod and his two cohorts) are cast in a negative role of evil, to deceive people and condition them to reject the message of salvation through the real Messiah, Jesus.

What's unfortunate is that the Jewish followers of the law are already looking for a Messiah-superman who will come and bring peace and rule with an iron scepter, which is just what the New Testament says the anti-Christ will do, and "deceive the very elect, if that were possible." It will, of course, be a one-world government.
There is, of course, a lot more the the end-times scenario, but by the time the real Messiah arrives on the scene, many who are alive on planet earth will have already received "the mark of the beast", which will be required to buy or sell anything. There will remain faithful saints enduring until the end and a remnant of Jewish believers holed up out in the desert hiding from the Anti-Christ. Messiah will arrive, crush the vast army that the Anti-Christ has amassed, rescue the Jewish remnant and any other believers out there, and establish his 1000 year reign here on earth.
At the end of the ages, God will judge the dead, and all who received the mark of the beast will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

sLiPpY wrote:
btw...John meh' wrikey the new avatar. It's much more noble! n' much less err...*bites tongue* :!oops: :rotf:

[garyd]

No I am am not placing you in any particular demographic Jonah. What I am saying sir is that one can make the case that anything not of God is on one level or the other Satanic.

What I am saying is that worrying about whether things of this world are satanic or not is a waste of time. I do not fear the appearance of the Anti Christ. I in fact relish it for it tells me once and for all that we are coming to that glorious time when all God's children will spend eternity in heaven serving our Lord and master and each other not because we have to but because it is what we desire to do.

No Christian should fear Satan for the worst he can do is send you home to see your heavenly father.

[Jonah]

garyd wrote: No I am am not placing you in any particular demographic Jonah. What I am saying sir is that one can make the case that anything not of God is on one level or the other Satanic.

What I am saying is that worrying about whether things of this world are satanic or not is a waste of time. I do not fear the appearance of the Anti Christ. I in fact relish it for it tells me once and for all that we are coming to that glorious time when all God's children will spend eternity in heaven serving our Lord and master and each other not because we have to but because it is what we desire to do.

No Christian should fear Satan for the worst he can do is send you home to see your heavenly father.

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't fears those end days either, I'm convinced that we won't be here to experience them anyway.

You make a good point, and the one point I knew could be made about this thread, "What do you care? You won't be here!"

I'll tell you this, though. My kid won't be watching Superman. Also, maybe some nonChristians will read this, remember it, and be benefitted in the future. Of course, that's argue :-D able.

[soldierofchrist]

Jonah wrote: Much to my surprise, I discovered that the Superman movie series is satanic propaganda designed to get its viewers used to the idea of a super-human person arriving on the scene with miraculous powers, good-will galore, and just seemingly great values and goals. This first link seems kind of trite, epecially if you're unfamiliar with the christian New Testament. Notice the picture of the boy superman with arms outstretched. Do children normally stretch out their arms in that posture?
Read it through and think about it.
This one has pictures!

This next link adds much more interesting detail to the equation.
Keep in mind that Anti-Christ does not mean "against Christ", it means "false Christ".

This one is much more in-depth.

What's wild is that Lex Luther is symbolic of the church. Lex = the law, Luther = Lutheran(church), sounds evil (Lucifer) The movie has cast him in a negative light - he's a criminal out to snuff Superman.

Also, remember Superman 2? General Zod, the lady and the large mute guy? Apparently an unholy trio symbolizing in a blasphemously negative light the trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are portrayed as criminals trying to take over planet earth by force for their own evil ends, and Lex Luther agrees to join up with the trio to take out Superman for a
little piece of the pie. "Kneel before Zod!"

And this whole comic dreamt up by two Jewish guys. Again the Jews! :lol: (Just kidding.)

John told me about this, says he ran across this info a year or two ago. This stuff is fascinating. Christians, view the Superman V trailers and pay careful attention to all that's said.

I quote Lois Lane(to Superman), "The world doesn't need a savior."

Superman Returns Movie Trailers

Any questions, comments, additions, deletions?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Hahahahahah you guys have WAY too much time on your hands. I'm a HUGE Superman fan and this is almost embarassing. Lex Luther represents the CHUCH? I would sure hope NOT! Are you ignoring the fact that Lex Luther is the villan and plots to take over the world while being involved in heinous acts? Oh yes, that's the Church to me. :roll: Don't you have the Da Vinci Code to be debunking or something?

[soldierofchrist]

John wrote: sLiPpY wrote: John wrote: Trailer number one has Superman's father Jor-El saying this:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them . . . . They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/trailer1/medium.html



It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the allegory in that.

:think: So Superman is Jesus? :?

btw...John meh' wrikey the new avatar. It's much more noble! n' much less err...*bites tongue* :!oops:

No...Jesus is Jesus.

Superman is an allegory for Messiah. Jonah's point is that he fits the picture of a Biblical Messiah but his message for salvation is actually backwards...he's a picture of a false Messiah or "anti-christ".

People are going to love the Anti-Christ kinda like the love Superman.
:roll: Yes because I love Superman means I'm going to love the anti-Christ.

[soldierofchrist]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: :lol:

Looks like this guy had too much time on his hands.

Allegory my ass.

Superman never dies, or suffers in an comparible way, and returns in several sequals.

Might as well try and compare jesus to spiderman.
Good point. Any comic book hero is a "savior" of the world. But in the end, it's pure fiction, not real. No one, okay maybe some people, believes that Superman actually exists and is some kind of Messiah figure. It's a work of fiction, I think Superman is the least of your "worries" what with the Da Vinci Code being out and all. Next you're going to tell me this guy is Satanic:

[John]

soldierofchrist wrote: Are you ignoring the fact that Lex Luther is the villan and plots to take over the world while being involved in heinous acts?

Are you ignoring the fact that that's how many people view Christianity? And if the Anti-Christ does appear, do you think that he will portray Christians as law abiding citizens? Not according the Bible he won't.