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[LostSoul3412]

Gilbert1908 wrote: I am sincerely trying to understand what it is that makes you oppose the termination of your own embryo other than "it is mine", which honestly doesn't seem like a very well thought out reason. But if that is it , that is it.

I apologize for the lack of greater meaning behind my beliefs, but I suppose emotion dominates reason.

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LostSoul3412 wrote: Is it selfish to put your own potential children above another? I value my embryos because they carry my blood, just as every parent should for their own embryo, however, I cannot force someone to assign value to something that is their's. I cannot tell another to value their embryo, as that is a choice that they must make on their own. My embryos are no different than any other embryo speaking in material terms, but that does not mean that they hold equal value. My own life is no different than the life of any other human, but is it selfish to value myself more than another? Value is a subjective concept, differing from person to person. I can assign a greater value to my own embryo than someone else can, but that does not change what the embryo itself is. My embryo hold value to me, but I cannot expect it to hold value to anyone else, just as I cannot except another to put the same value on their potential child.


Yes indeed, value is an arbitrary concept. But within ones self, is it not consistent, or should it be? Why do you value the life of your embryo? Because it is a material possession? Or because it is the life, potential life, whatever you want to call it, of a child? Your child. You cannot make someone value anything they do not wish to, but YOU can value it just the same. YOU can value that life, just the same as you do your own, and your posterity. It does not have to be yours, you do not have to own it, to value it for what it really is. The life and potential of a child. It is the life, and the potential that is of value to you when it comes to your own. Is that life and potential of another not just as valuable, at least to you. Maybe not quite as valuable, for I understand the concept of it being yours so you value it more, but do you not value life itself? Obviously from your stance on your own, you do. Some do not place any value on life in general, let alone that and the potential of the unborn, but you obviously do. You cannot make someone value that life and that potential, but you yourself can value that and stand up for it. You said that if your sig other was to want an abortion, you would hope you could come to some sort of agreement. Adoption, etc. So you would fight for that unborn, why would you not fight for the life of another unborn?





LostSoul3412 wrote: Those are you personal beliefs, and you are entitled to them, however they are not absolute constants. Any gift that we are granted is a blessing, but to attempt to play God and grant those blessings is to be consumed by our own arrogance. To force life upon the world is the same goal that plagued Victor Frankenstein, only to learn that his creation would destroy him. To attempt to play God with the lives of mortals, is to assert yourself above others, to view yourself as the moral right, where others are wrong. Right and wrong are not things that can be decided on an absolute scale by mere mortal (wo)men, and such things cannot be decided for others. In the absence of absolute, we are left with the subjective... we are left with choice.

It is not forcing life upon the world. When I impregnate a woman, that is forcing life upon the world. When the woman conceives the child, then that is when life is forced upon the world, not before, and not after. When you advocate for anti-abortion legislation and the like, you are not forcing life upon the world, you are preserving the life, that was already forced upon the world. I had absolutely nothing to do with creating that life. I know this is going to lead right back to the same ol "life vs 'life'" debate, we both have different views on that.....But the ONLY reason that you say im forcing life upon the world, is because that embryo/fetus, whatever, was already forced into existence. Not by me. It is not an attempt to play God.

[Revenant]

emotion dominates reason

This is what causes many bad things to happen in the world.

[Plodder]

i consider the Enlightnement devatating. Look at france only as shadow of its former glory remains.